General Discussion and Theories #3

[Crispy]

Interesting...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/09/09/dellen-millard-farm-search458.html

 

[Variant]

Did he really need the engine though? DM already had a rebuilt Hemi that could have been installed in the Ram or the Jeep, without all the modifications that would have been required with a Cummins diesel.

This has been discussed before. The 2007 and earlier Cummins diesel is the most desirable to the cognoscenti, the Hemi is not.

 

[cansleuther]

This has been discussed before. The 2007 and earlier Cummins diesel is the most desirable to the cognoscenti, the Hemi is not.

Exactly. So why pay to have a Hemi rebuilt at a custom shop when you could just steal a Cummins diesel?

 

[Variant]

Exactly. So why pay to have a Hemi rebuilt at a custom shop when you could just steal a Cummins diesel?

I guess we'll have to wait to find out why he targeted it. I can speculate several reasons why and you can speculate several reasons why not.

 

[swedie]

Keep in mind that just because DM had the properties does not mean it wasnt his friends that were making the plans ans schemes. Everyone thought the notion of DM not knowing about an incinerator at his farm was preposterous, meanwhile three police forces missed whatever has been stashed in the barn, so go figure.

IIRC SB already made a great point on the one thread. LE found TB's remains back in the bush and I'm certain they did a good look around the property looking for TB's truck. It was TB and his truck they were looking for. I would think had TB' truck been on that property, LE would have found it don't you? \

In regards to what you might be referring to your words; whatever has been stashed in the barn. Are you saying LE walked out of the barn with something obvious which they missed in the first go round? I was thinking whatever that stash is, was not so obviously obvious. Seems like they may have had to do some digging around..no? If LB was put into the incinerator and then her ashes dumped in the barn, in the hay, are you figuring LE should have recognized them? Or maybe you're suggesting LE/forensics should have taking hundreds of random samples from all around the property and in the barn? I'm confused by your statement which sounds like there was a stash which should not have been missed by the three police forces. :facepalm: I feel pretty certain LE had inspected the barn and did not see anything suspicious or unusual during that first warranted search. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

IIRC SB already made a great point on the one thread. LE found TB's remains back in the bush and I'm certain they did a good look around the property looking for TB's truck. It was TB and his truck they were looking for. I would think had TB' truck been on that property, LE would have found it don't you? \

Why would they look for the truck on the farm? They already had it before they started the first farm search on the Monday after the arrest. DM was arrested on Friday, the truck was identified on Sunday, and TB was found on Monday.

 

[Variant]

Keep in mind that just because DM had the properties does not mean it wasnt his friends that were making the plans ans schemes. Everyone thought the notion of DM not knowing about an incinerator at his farm was preposterous, meanwhile three police forces missed whatever has been stashed in the barn, so go figure.

If one looks to the Bernardo case as an example, LE were extremely limited in what they could search with their warrants. They could not cause any damage to the Bernardo house with their original warrant.

They needed to show a compelling reason to do a more thorough search. By the time Homolka told them about the hidden tapes allowing them to get another warrant, Bernardo had already had his lawyer remove them.

Anyone see DP sneaking into the barn since the last search?

 

[Snoofo]

Thats a good point Variant. However if they are looking for someone dead or alive I cant imagine the warrant wouldnt be for full access (it is vacant lands with a barn, after all, not a home).

Not sure DP would risk being seen removing stuff from the barn!

 

[Sillybilly]

Why would they look for the truck on the farm? They already had it before they started the first farm search on the Monday after the arrest. DM was arrested on Friday, the truck was identified on Sunday, and TB was found on Monday.

I think this was discussed before ... the man who owns the small airstrip across from the Roseville Rd farm said he understood LE was at the farm as early as Friday. If that is the case, then Tim's remains had likely been discovered before the truck, but no warrant for the farm was obtained until Monday.

 

[Juballee]

I agree as well. And thanks to your trip the other day, we know the farm wasn't being guarded, so IMO that means this 'new information' that led to a search of the barn is something that just came up and needed to be acted on in a hurry.

Great! So now you've got me wondering if one of our sleuths planted something when they were visiting it the other day! :floorlaugh: I am joking, don't start throwing rotten fruit at me yet. But seriously, DP may end up thanking the sleuth who highly recommended to everyone (on the www) who is able to or feels up to going and seeing the farm for themselves, and how secluded it really is, to go and do so yesterday. That timing is hilarious, in my opinion.

 

[swedie]

I just had to post this snippet which made me :lol: I got this vision of DP in the dark. Something tells me he's not up to snuff on his own client's case. After the very lengthy original interrogation where LE wanted DM to talk and he wouldn't, but decided to go with his right to remain silent; I had this vision of a few detectives briefly asking each other "should we ask him about LB"? Scratching and shaking their heads saying "WTH are we thinking. He wouldn't talk in that first interview, to heck with him, we'll gather the evidence without him. Look what we've found for evidence already without his lies. We don't need to talk to him, he had his one and only chance". :moo:

Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator. I bet he did! :floorlaugh: But they probably got more than they bargained for from DP.

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, said he was not aware of the search, adding Millard has never been interviewed about Babcock's disappearance.

"They haven't updated me, my client hasn't been questioned, so we don't know," Paradkar told the Star.

Smich's lawyer, Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator when reached Monday afternoon.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4070753-toronto-police-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

 

[swedie]

IMO I believe we will find out DM never lived a life on the straight and narrow. As far as I'm concerned regarding intelligence, humble, philosopher and the like have no bearing on a possible mental illness DM may suffer from. Good traits are found in many murderers, serial killers. Great comparison would be R Williams. One big difference between the two in MHO is RW seemed to have a lot of ambitions kwim.

Maybe we need to change our way of thinking and get past the "it was just a truck". Maybe it wasn't really about the truck, the truck would just have been another bonus. The truck was a just a great excuse/idea to lure a victim. It's been suggested DM had money to purchase a dozen such trucks brand new if he wanted, so if that is true, I suspect there was another reason behind TB's murder. MOO

 

[hopingforjustice]

Maybe we need to change our way of thinking and get past the "it was just a truck". Maybe it wasn't really about the truck, the truck would just have been another bonus. The truck was a just a great excuse/idea to lure a victim. It's been suggested DM had money to purchase a dozen such trucks brand new if he wanted, so if that is true, I suspect there was another reason behind TB's murder. MOO[/QUOTE]

Totally agree with this logic. Tim was a contractor...Did he do some work for DM ? Did his work there put him in danger from his "knowledge". I think we are all going to see a vast "expose" once the LE get their ducks in a row re: chop shop etc. ie: Why have we not heard about any charges re: the dismantled Harley? I think think this is going to blow up. And it won't be just these little weasels involved.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I just had to post this snippet which made me :lol: I got this vision of DP in the dark. Something tells me he's not up to snuff on his own client's case. After the very lengthy original interrogation where LE wanted DM to talk and he wouldn't, but decided to go with his right to remain silent; I had this vision of a few detectives briefly asking each other "should we ask him about LB"? Scratching and shaking their heads saying "WTH are we thinking. He wouldn't talk in that first interview, to heck with him, we'll gather the evidence without him. Look what we've found for evidence already without his lies. We don't need to talk to him, he had his one and only chance". :moo:

Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator. I bet he did! :floorlaugh: But they probably got more than they bargained for from DP.

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, said he was not aware of the search, adding Millard has never been interviewed about Babcock's disappearance.

"They haven't updated me, my client hasn't been questioned, so we don't know," Paradkar told the Star.

Smich's lawyer, Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator when reached Monday afternoon.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4070753-toronto-police-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

Yes, DP always seems to be playing catch-up. I don't think DM can tell him the whole story...

 

[MsSherlock]

I just had to post this snippet which made me :lol: I got this vision of DP in the dark. Something tells me he's not up to snuff on his own client's case. After the very lengthy original interrogation where LE wanted DM to talk and he wouldn't, but decided to go with his right to remain silent; I had this vision of a few detectives briefly asking each other "should we ask him about LB"? Scratching and shaking their heads saying "WTH are we thinking. He wouldn't talk in that first interview, to heck with him, we'll gather the evidence without him. Look what we've found for evidence already without his lies. We don't need to talk to him, he had his one and only chance". :moo:

Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator. I bet he did! :floorlaugh: But they probably got more than they bargained for from DP.

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, said he was not aware of the search, adding Millard has never been interviewed about Babcock's disappearance.

"They haven't updated me, my client hasn't been questioned, so we don't know," Paradkar told the Star.

Smich's lawyer, Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator when reached Monday afternoon.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4070753-toronto-police-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

Thanks Swedie-such a contrast in the lawyers!
So, it's interesting that TPS, have obtained the search warrant for the barn and have taken in HPS and Waterloo Drug Squad for backup.
http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/police-execute-search-warrant-at-millard-farm-property-1.1446399

Hazmat suits? Drug squad? Case of vials? Officers in suits? JMHO, but it sounds like more information is on its way.

IMO, I don't know why the barn wasn't searched the first time around. It's my first time taking a close look at it. The barn they are searching appears to be an old dairy barn, even though the previous owners kept pigs in it, there's no mention how many pigs they had. Most large commercial operations have actual hog set ups, so, IMO, the previous owners didn't have a lot of pigs there.

IMO, as a dairy barn, the actual area where the cattle would come in to be milked is below the wooden loft area, it's the part that's partly below the ground in some areas but has the windows in it from the angle in the pic below. The addition off the side of the barn that projects out to the road is an old "milk room" plus now there's also a garage. That's the section of the barn where the milk cooler would have been, sinks, drains etc. Dairy barns were constructed with sanitation in mind and the floor in both sections of the barn would be concrete and the actual livestock area of the barn would have concrete or stone walls. This allowed for easy whitewashing of surfaces and manure removal via concrete gutters.

Only the loft portion of the barn would have wood floors and that's where the hay is stored. It's not visible from any of the pic's that I have, but there should also be a "barn hill" at the back part of the barn that would allow a large drive in access to the hay loft with the typical barn doors. Just thought this information may come in handy! MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Dairy barns were constructed with sanitation in mind and the floor in both sections of the barn would be concrete and the actual livestock area of the barn would have concrete or stone walls. This allowed for easy whitewashing of surfaces and manure removal via concrete gutters.

<rsbm>

I wonder if there's been any new concrete poured in that area.

It's not visible from any of the pic's that I have, but there should also be a "barn hill" at the back part of the barn that would allow a large drive in access to the hay loft with the typical barn doors. Just thought this information may come in handy! MOO

<rsbm>

In a video posted earlier today, it shows the back of the barn with a police woman going up a very wide ramp from the ground to the second level, leading to a very small door, but not typical barn doors. It was small enough that she kind of had to squeeze through the opening.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think this was discussed before ... the man who owns the small airstrip across from the Roseville Rd farm said he understood LE was at the farm as early as Friday. If that is the case, then Tim's remains had likely been discovered before the truck, but no warrant for the farm was obtained until Monday.

Yes, it was discussed before. And although LE may have secured the farm on the weekend, news reports stated that the search didn't move to the farm until Monday.

Tim Bosma's truck has been found, but he is still missing.

After news broke of his arrest, police's search efforts over the weekend revolved around Millard. In addition to his mother's Kleinburg home, police were seen at a house on Maple Gate Court in Etobicoke on Saturday

Hamilton police were seen searching the area around the Millardair Hangar 53 at the Waterloo International Airport this weekend, with the road leading up to it blocked off by a cruiser.

http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/3233504-truck-found-but-still-no-tim-bosma/

On Saturday, the search for Tim Bosma spread to Region of Waterloo International Airport, where police taped off a hangar belonging to Millard Air.

http://www.cp24.com/news/police-find-truck-belonging-to-missing-man-tim-bosma-1.1278097

On Monday, the search had extended to a rural farm property owned by the Millard family.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/14/tim_bosma_missing_man_is_dead_body_burned_police_say.html

The search for Bosma extended to a rural farm property owned by the Millard family, as police narrowed in on Waterloo Monday.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2875368-timothy-bosma-found-dead/

HTH

 

[MsSherlock]

In a video posted earlier today, it shows the back of the barn with a police woman going up a very wide ramp from the ground to the second level, leading to a very small door, but not typical barn doors. It was small enough that she kind of had to squeeze through the opening.

Yes SB, that would be the barn hill-standard in any of these old dairy barns. Wide enough to drive a tractor and wagon up, or even a swather or combine. Sometimes the barn doors do have a little man door in the big door-that way you could get in and out without opening up the massive barn door(s)The hay area of the barn would also have a shute or two where hay bails of hay could be pushed down and often a barn ladder to allow you to go from the cattle area up to the loft. Many barns like this also have grain storage areas on the hay level as well. MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, it was discussed before. And although LE may have secured the farm on the weekend, news reports stated that the search didn't move to the farm until Monday ... HTH

<rsbm>

Yeah, I know ... just can't help but think it is possible that Tim's remains were found earlier than announced but not identified, and LE was keeping it close to the vest.

If Tim's remains were only found on Monday, the family was notified by 9:30 am Tuesday. Just seems like a short period of time to get an ID on remains "burned beyond recognition" and make a formal notification.

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

Yeah, I know ... just can't help but think it is possible that Tim's remains were found earlier than announced but not identified, and LE was keeping it close to the vest.

If Tim's remains were only found on Monday, the family was notified by 9:30 am Tuesday. Just seems like a short period of time to get an ID on remains "burned beyond recognition" and make a formal notification.

I know, sillybilly. That's why I've always had doubts about the incinerator being used.

JMO