General Discussion and Theories #4

[Alethea Dice]

No, someone with a personality disorder would be disordered before they even came to the attention of the police. His social circle may have seen promiscuity and drug use and thievery as nothing of concern, but these are the sort of acts that are used to diagnose a personality disorder. Perhaps his friends all have personality disorders as well.



From the Corrections Canada website:



http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/correctional-process/index-eng.shtml



I thought he was re-living Jurassic Park in his head?



http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...dellen-millard-says-he-didn-t-kill-tim-bosma/

At this link, a list of all the psychiatric programs available to rehabilitate men under corrections:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/correctional-process/002001-2001-eng.shtml#s1

DM is not in a federal institution. His is in a provincial detention centre. Unfortunately, with overcrowding and lack of funding, rehabilitative programs are pretty well non-existing in the provincial system, even when an inmate arrives with previously known problems.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4867223-rehab-programs-feel-the-crunch/

http://globalnews.ca/news/1676765/rough-justice-the-human-cost-of-ontarios-crowded-violent-jails/

At the moment, he's onto an idea about which he's gained some valuable real-life experience in jail: living in small quarters.

"I've been thinking about a project on submarine living spaces. I spend my time thinking, reading, doing things that are useful."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4292468-jail-interview-dellen-millard-says-he-didn-t-kill-tim-bosma/

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I believe the fist would be the weapon in that example, not the hair. (Just saying.) There are lots of people in jail with long hair.

He is separated from any other inmate, I think. As long as that is given his hair could grow to his waist, if he likes it.

 

[SnooperDuper]

DM is not in a federal institution. His is in a provincial detention centre. Unfortunately, with overcrowding and lack of funding, rehabilitative programs are pretty well non-existing in the provincial system, even when an inmate arrives with previously known problems.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4867223-rehab-programs-feel-the-crunch/

http://globalnews.ca/news/1676765/rough-justice-the-human-cost-of-ontarios-crowded-violent-jails/



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4292468-jail-interview-dellen-millard-says-he-didn-t-kill-tim-bosma/

DM is not eligible for rehabilitation until sentencing, at which point he will be in a federal prison. He'll have plenty of time to catch up with all of the programs.

 

[Alethea Dice]

DM is not eligible for rehabilitation until sentencing, at which point he will be in a federal prison. He'll have plenty of time to catch up with all of the programs.

Yes, that's part of what I was trying to clarify. Right now, DM has no access to any programs. If he is found guilty, he will be sentenced to a federal institution and only then, and after he has been assessed, will he have access to any of those rehabilitation programs. Even then, the programs he has access to will depend on his assessment. Also from your previous CSC link:

"It is also important that programs are offered to those who need them most."

If DM is sentenced to life with no eligibily for parole for 75 years, which seems to be what many hope for, and with funding being what it is, I don't think he will be high on the priority list for any of those programs listed.

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

DM is not eligible for rehabilitation until sentencing, at which point he will be in a federal prison. He'll have plenty of time to catch up with all of the programs.

DM is not eligible for anything unless he is convicted. Only if that occurs will he have time to 'catch up' with inmate programs if they are even available. HTH as a trial is the next step, not sentencing.

 

[kaitlin]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...s-before-holding-private-session-with-lawyers

I know this was in the beginning of the year but I wanted to get some opinions on the request from the defense to have more time to prepare for the pretrial, any thoughts?

 

[SnooperDuper]

New news on the LB case:

[video=twitter;641986497596518404]https://twitter.com/AnnB03/status/641986497596518404[/video]

 

[SnooperDuper]

Again, publication ban:

[video=twitter;641987582176423936]https://twitter.com/AnnB03/status/641987582176423936[/video]

 

[SnooperDuper]

New blog post on the DI

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2015/09/direct-indictment-issued-in-laura-babcock-case.html

 

[Juballee]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...s-before-holding-private-session-with-lawyers

I know this was in the beginning of the year but I wanted to get some opinions on the request from the defense to have more time to prepare for the pretrial, any thoughts?

Hi Kaitlin and welcome!

I imagine that no one replied to your post not because we are trying to be rude, I think some of us might be a little burnt out on that topic, perhaps. Maybe that in camera session had to do with what was discussed today?

SD, I think it's odd that I haven't seen MSM confirmation of that yet, I would think at least the Spectator or the Star would have mentioned it in a way that I could find when I googled it. Is there anyone else reporting this?

 

[matou]

Susan Clairmont of the Hamilton Spectator retweeted and linked to ABro's post.

 

[swedie]

New blog post on the DI

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2015/09/direct-indictment-issued-in-laura-babcock-case.html

Hmm...very interesting. Another DI bypassed. Two down, one to go. Interesting but not surprised. IMO the decisions to bypass the DIs in LB and TB's case have to do with direct evidence, but that's JMO.

From ABro's write up...Millard’s ex-girlfriend Christina Noudga, who is charged as an accessory after the fact in the Bosma murder, has chosen, for example, to go direct to trial skipping her preliminary hearing.

I suspect CN was made aware of evidence against her involvement in TB's case and she knows there's no hope in he!! then to agree to bypass the DI. I also suspect she will turn witness for the Crown. She'll be hoping to pull a KH or better yet, no prison sentence, maybe just probation.

There is no trial date yet scheduled for the Laura Babcock case. It will likely be late 2016 or early 2017.

So the trial for LB is at least a year away. I hope for LB's family sake, LE have divulged some information to them to clarify how they came to the conclusion she was murdered by DM and MS. Maybe they've attended court recently and have gotten some answers.
ALL MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Hi Kaitlin and welcome!

I imagine that no one replied to your post not because we are trying to be rude, I think some of us might be a little burnt out on that topic, perhaps. Maybe that in camera session had to do with what was discussed today?

No, that was specifically about the TB trial and it's all under publication ban so what can you say?

SD, I think it's odd that I haven't seen MSM confirmation of that yet, I would think at least the Spectator or the Star would have mentioned it in a way that I could find when I googled it. Is there anyone else reporting this?

Not so odd...there is an election on and most of the column inches out there are devoted to that. SC of the Spec as Matou noted did retweet ABro's report. I would judge ABro to be MSM on account of her resume.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Hi Kaitlin and welcome!

I imagine that no one replied to your post not because we are trying to be rude, I think some of us might be a little burnt out on that topic, perhaps. Maybe that in camera session had to do with what was discussed today?

SD, I think it's odd that I haven't seen MSM confirmation of that yet, I would think at least the Spectator or the Star would have mentioned it in a way that I could find when I googled it. Is there anyone else reporting this?

I wouldn't be surprised if, whatever was revealed at that in camera session, was what caused the need for more preparation time. Whether it also is connected to today's court, time will tell.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Hmm...very interesting. Another DI bypassed. Two down, one to go. Interesting but not surprised. IMO the decisions to bypass the DIs in LB and TB's case have to do with direct evidence, but that's JMO.

From ABro's write up...Millard’s ex-girlfriend Christina Noudga, who is charged as an accessory after the fact in the Bosma murder, has chosen, for example, to go direct to trial skipping her preliminary hearing.

I suspect CN was made aware of evidence against her involvement in TB's case and she knows there's no hope in he!! then to agree to bypass the DI. I also suspect she will turn witness for the Crown. She'll be hoping to pull a KH or better yet, no prison sentence, maybe just probation.

There is no trial date yet scheduled for the Laura Babcock case. It will likely be late 2016 or early 2017.

So the trial for LB is at least a year away. I hope for LB's family sake, LE have divulged some information to them to clarify how they came to the conclusion she was murdered by DM and MS. Maybe they've attended court recently and have gotten some answers.
ALL MOO.

I'm sure it's what you meant, but just to be clear, the Direct Indictment wasn't bypassed. It was issued. It was the preliminary hearing that was bypassed. In CN's case, the direct indictment didn't need to be requested because she had voluntarily elected to bypass the preliminary hearing. When a direct indictment is requested, the defense has no opportunity to not agree with it. Judging by past history, I doubt that CN will get a large sentence either way. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I wouldn't be surprised if, whatever was revealed at that in camera session, was what caused the need for more preparation time. Whether it also is connected to today's court, time will tell.

JMO

The Tim Bosma murder trial has been postponed until of 2016.

The lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, says he’s in the process of taking over the case and needed more time to prepare motions.

http://www.am980.ca/2015/02/25/39789/

The lawyer for one of the men accused in the murder of Ancaster’s Tim Bosma says he needs more time to prepare.

Deepak Paradkar says he’s still in the process of being retained by Dellen Millard, so additional time is required to prepare motions that will now be heard in September.

http://www.900chml.com/2015/02/25/a-little-more-information-on-the-bosma-murder-trial-delay/


DM had a problem with his lawyers and was unable to arrange to retain DP and ended up with RP. Thus the delay.

I don't think the in-camera sessions had anything to do with anything other than the TB trial, because the judge, SG, in charge only has authority for that trial and was just newly appointed to the case at that time.

A judge has not been appointed for the LB trial yet (far to early for that) so I would think there is no way for SG to rule on that case.

It is my understanding that delays were related to retaining a defense lawyer for DM.

 

[Alethea Dice]

No, that was specifically about the TB trial and it's all under publication ban so what can you say?



Not so odd...there is an election on and most of the column inches out there are devoted to that. SC of the Spec as Matou noted did retweet ABro's report. I would judge ABro to be MSM on account of her resume.

Since there is a publication ban, how can you say no unless you were there? I can think of a possibility where something may have affected both. FWIW, in Canada there is always a publication ban on bail hearings, pre-trial motions and preliminary hearings. What will be unfortunate, will be if there is a publication ban on the actual TB trial to protect the CN, LB and WM trials.

How sad that most MSM is more interested in murdering politician's reputations during election time than in actual murders. One would think they would have both political reporters and crime/trial reporters and be able to cover both.

I wonder why it took them a year to decide on the direct indictment?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm sure it's what you meant, but just to be clear, the Direct Indictment wasn't bypassed. It was issued. It was the preliminary hearing that was bypassed. In CN's case, the direct indictment didn't need to be requested because she had voluntarily elected to bypass the preliminary hearing. When a direct indictment is requested, the defense has no opportunity to not agree with it. Judging by past history, I doubt that CN will get a large sentence either way. JMO

Just curious, what do you feel is a large sentence? CN sealed her lips and stubbornly backed DM in a committed manner for over a year. She's involved in helping DM escape charges. Do you really think she will get off lightly, given that she helped hide a terrible violent high-profile crime against an innocent stranger?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Since there is a publication ban, how can you say no unless you were there? I can think of a possibility where something may have affected both.

Simply, SG doesn't have jurisdiction over the LB trial. Thus it is related to the TB trial. Secondly MSM has reported repeatedly of DM's troubles in securing a lawyer. In the end DP did not pick up the case. Perhaps DP has health issues or some other pressing concern that took him away from the trial?

FWIW, in Canada there is always a publication ban on bail hearings, pre-trial motions and preliminary hearings. What will be unfortunate, will be if there is a publication ban on the actual TB trial to protect the CN, LB and WM trials.

How sad that most MSM is more interested in murdering politician's reputations during election time than in actual murders. One would think they would have both political reporters and crime/trial reporters and be able to cover both.

I wonder why it took them a year to decide on the direct indictment?

Perhaps new information has come to light recently. Perhaps someone talked. Perhaps it just took this long to analyse forensic evidence that is relevant to the case. ???

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://www.am980.ca/2015/02/25/39789/



http://www.900chml.com/2015/02/25/a-little-more-information-on-the-bosma-murder-trial-delay/


DM had a problem with his lawyers and was unable to arrange to retain DP and ended up with RP. Thus the delay.

I don't think the in-camera sessions had anything to do with anything other than the TB trial, because the judge, SG, in charge only has authority for that trial and was just newly appointed to the case at that time.

A judge has not been appointed for the LB trial yet (far to early for that) so I would think there is no way for SG to rule on that case.

It is my understanding that delays were related to retaining a defense lawyer for DM.

Yes, I can also think of a reason why there would have been delays in the decision to retain DP. Too bad the delay is still there even though the lawyer who has been retained was working with DP all along, or for a large part of it anyway. I don't necessarily believe that only the one reason contributed to the need for more time.

I didn't say anything about SG ruling on the LB case. It doesn't have to be the same judge for the same "circumstance" to affect both trials.

JMO