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  • #561
Regardless of the reason for their animosity toward each other, I don't see how it would make the truth more apparent. If one is blaming the other, or if both are blaming each other, there would need to be some evidence to support the story to make it credible in any way. Also, since the charge is first degree when a death occurs during a kidnapping, whether the death was deliberate or not, if one was merely a spectator, there could still be a fear of reporting it to LE. It would be up to LE and the Crown whether to still press the same charges. I can think of too many different possibilities to speculate on a reason at this point.

JMO
 
  • #562
If they have turned against each other, it just means each is going to try to make the other look like the guilty party, which will work for neither of them.

I suppose DNA puts them in the truck, otherwise we would not have got this far. Now what can you say to get off the hook? "The other guy totally surprised me by turning this into a carjacking and then a killing, before I could react"? Then what...we know DM ended up with the truck in his mother's driveway inside of his trailer, and TB's remains were found on DM's property in his company's incinerator. If he were merely a witness to a murder, why did he agree to take the truck and the body? I mean, how stupid is that? If he only did it because he was in fear of his life from MS, why didn't he pour his heart out to LE? Why are things so murky and complicated, from DM's point of view, that he has to go to trial to argue his point? If he is "100% not guilty", it should be a lot clearer exactly what happened. Instead it seems we have two guys that were in it together now both trying to look innocent and point the finger at each other. It's easy for them to do that, because they both know the other is guilty. IMO.
 
  • #563
Regardless of the reason for their animosity toward each other, I don't see how it would make the truth more apparent. If one is blaming the other, or if both are blaming each other, there would need to be some evidence to support the story to make it credible in any way. Also, since the charge is first degree when a death occurs during a kidnapping, whether the death was deliberate or not, if one was merely a spectator, there could still be a fear of reporting it to LE. It would be up to LE and the Crown whether to still press the same charges. I can think of too many different possibilities to speculate on a reason at this point.

JMO

BBM

Athlea..Just curious why you would think that any "layman", if they were swept into it, would even know the law with regard to first degree murder charge during a kidnapping and have that fear? I know I sure as heck didn't until this case. JMO
 
  • #564
If they have turned against each other, it just means each is going to try to make the other look like the guilty party, which will work for neither of them.

I suppose DNA puts them in the truck, otherwise we would not have got this far. Now what can you say to get off the hook? "The other guy totally surprised me by turning this into a carjacking and then a killing, before I could react"? Then what...we know DM ended up with the truck in his mother's driveway inside of his trailer, and TB's remains were found on DM's property in his company's incinerator. If he were merely a witness to a murder, why did he agree to take the truck and the body? I mean, how stupid is that? If he only did it because he was in fear of his life from MS, why didn't he pour his heart out to LE? Why are things so murky and complicated, from DM's point of view, that he has to go to trial to argue his point? If he is "100% not guilty", it should be a lot clearer exactly what happened. Instead it seems we have two guys that were in it together now both trying to look innocent and point the finger at each other. It's easy for them to do that, because they both know the other is guilty. IMO.

At this point we have no idea whether or not DNA puts either or both in the truck. Regardless of where the truck or remains ended up, it still doesn't explain how either may have got there. I think I read that DM's point of view is that he is innocent and he apparently feels that it is staring us all in he face as to what happened. He also has mentioned that he feels used. That seems to be his point of view. I dont thinkhe has to argue his point of view at trial, his lawyer will be questioning the crowns evidence or lack of and the answers may shed light on what now seems murky. JMO

I'm not sure anyone can determine at this point, that they both know the other is guilty, based on what little we really know. JMO
 
  • #565
BBM

Athlea..Just curious why you would think that any "layman", if they were swept into it, would even know the law with regard to first degree murder charge during a kidnapping and have that fear? I know I sure as heck didn't until this case. JMO

I myself didn't read it as though the poster was assuming that any layman would know what charges would be applicable to a death during a kidnapping. I think it would have been a fear based on an actual death occurring in such a situation in my opinion. Thats how it reads to me. Most people would feel some kind of fear even if someone simply dropped dead in their home. These days people know that an investigation will ensue and that anyone present could be under suspicion. Much like a game of Clue...was it Miss Plum in the library with the candelabra, anyone allegedly present is a suspect.
 
  • #566
If they have turned against each other, it just means each is going to try to make the other look like the guilty party, which will work for neither of them.

I suppose DNA puts them in the truck, otherwise we would not have got this far. Now what can you say to get off the hook? "The other guy totally surprised me by turning this into a carjacking and then a killing, before I could react"? Then what...we know DM ended up with the truck in his mother's driveway inside of his trailer, and TB's remains were found on DM's property in his company's incinerator. If he were merely a witness to a murder, why did he agree to take the truck and the body? I mean, how stupid is that? If he only did it because he was in fear of his life from MS, why didn't he pour his heart out to LE? Why are things so murky and complicated, from DM's point of view, that he has to go to trial to argue his point? If he is "100% not guilty", it should be a lot clearer exactly what happened. Instead it seems we have two guys that were in it together now both trying to look innocent and point the finger at each other. It's easy for them to do that, because they both know the other is guilty. IMO.

I think to say that he would have agreed to take the truck and body is an assumption. Wouldn't it be just as easy to assume that the guilty party forced the witness to hold the evidence to make them appear to be the guilty one should the witness decide to pour their heart out to LE? Isn't that a classic scenario to get an uncooperative accessory to be forced to keep the guilty party's secret? Leaving the trail of evidence pointing to an unwitting accessory is like an insurance package for a guilty criminal. Especially if one knew the rules ahead of time about being present for a murder that happened during a kidnapping, and told the accessory after the fact that they are now just as guilty by law.

Also, if someone did pour their heart out to LE, or if LE felt that there was reason for an accessory to be in fear for their life, they would probably be put into protective custody, I would think.
 
  • #567
I think to say that he would have agreed to take the truck and body is an assumption. Wouldn't it be just as easy to assume that the guilty party forced the witness to hold the evidence to make them appear to be the guilty one should the witness decide to pour their heart out to LE? Isn't that a classic scenario to get an uncooperative accessory to be forced to keep the guilty party's secret? Leaving the trail of evidence pointing to an unwitting accessory is like an insurance package for a guilty criminal. Especially if one knew the rules ahead of time about being present for a murder that happened during a kidnapping, and told the accessory after the fact that they are now just as guilty by law.

Also, if someone did pour their heart out to LE, or if LE felt that there was reason for an accessory to be in fear for their life, they would probably be put into protective custody, I would think.
IMHO that theory is only plausible Juballee if it's applied fairly to DM and MS. IMO The only thing that seems to separate the accused in this case is a pile of money, but under the "OMG Look what just happened-we're in big trouble" theory, IMO, you can't allow socio-economic conditions of the suspects into the equation. LE has charged them jointly, IMO, they're equals the minute they're charged and behind bars. I have a hard time believing that the AG would issue a direct indictment on someone who had been co-operative with LE and was in protective custody as a result. MOO

Also, DP is no slouch. DP said from Day 1 that DM would be applying for bail and that there was more to this story. 2 1/2 years later, DM has never applied for bail, we've never heard the "more" of the story and I have personal suspicions that DP is off with the Wookies honing his Court House Steps interview skills. MOO
 
  • #568
If I were a murderer I would not hand over all the evidence that could get me convicted to an accessory I did not trust. The accessory would just go to LE!

I think DM is going to be buried by the evidence - 25 years deep.
 
  • #569
Pre-trial proceedings continue for Bosma accused



http://www.chch.com/pre-trial-proceedings-continue-for-bosma-accused/

Is this a sign that DM is throwing MS under the bus?
Snooper- I'm definitely more focused on updates on DM's braid. What ever happened to the Court House artists?? You'd think we'd be getting an Artist rendition just so we could better visualize it...wouldn't you?? The CHCH report kind of made me laugh because I think the reporter would have been equally concerned if they were sitting right beside each other holding hands. :scared:MOO
 
  • #570
Snooper- I'm definitely more focused on updates on DM's braid. What ever happened to the Court House artists?? You'd think we'd be getting an Artist rendition just so we could better visualize it...wouldn't you?? The CHCH report kind of made me laugh because I think the reporter would have been equally concerned if they were sitting right beside each other holding hands. :scared:MOO

Yeah, we need a portrait for posterity. I wonder why there are no shots of him in transit to the courthouse.

The haircut IMO is real attention-seeking behavior. DM seems to be used to attracting attention. That's one of the reasons why I think of him as the leader. A follower doesn't want the spotlight shining on them all the time.
 
  • #571
IMHO that theory is only plausible Juballee if it's applied fairly to DM and MS. IMO The only thing that seems to separate the accused in this case is a pile of money, but under the "OMG Look what just happened-we're in big trouble" theory, IMO, you can't allow socio-economic conditions of the suspects into the equation. LE has charged them jointly, IMO, they're equals the minute they're charged and behind bars. I have a hard time believing that the AG would issue a direct indictment on someone who had been co-operative with LE and was in protective custody as a result. MOO

Also, DP is no slouch. DP said from Day 1 that DM would be applying for bail and that there was more to this story. 2 1/2 years later, DM has never applied for bail, we've never heard the "more" of the story and I have personal suspicions that DP is off with the Wookies honing his Court House Steps interview skills. MOO

My theory can apply to either one, or any pair of guilty party and unwitting accessory. It makes sense for the one who committed the crime to saddle the innocent one with the evidence to set it up to appear that the accessory is a co-conspirator. Especially if one felt that the accessory was uncooperative or apt to turn in the murderer. By telling the accessory that all the evidence is planted on their property alone, the murderer stacks the cards up against the accessory in such a way as to make them far less likely to rat the murderer out for fear of spending their life in jail as well. It makes perfect sense to me, actually.

I never mentioned anyone's socio-economic status, but now that you bring it up, I still think it is far more likely that a man without a vehicle would steal one before a man who already has several. I also find it more likely that someone who has a record for multiple arrests would be more likely to instigate a crime than someone with a clean record.

I also don't think that there would be a DI on a cooperative witness, but I do still believe that if LE were concerned about the safety of one of two co-conspirators, they would put that one into protective custody. Personally, I don't think that the crime itself is enough to provoke random inmates from preforming jailhouse justice on the accused, otherwise they would both be in protective custody. But if authorities feared an attack from one of the two against the other, in my opinion, it would more likely be the instigator of the crime who would be the attacker, to make sure to keep his witness or accessory quiet. I don't know if I have ever heard of a murderer who needs to be protected from the reaches of his unwitting accomplice while in jail.
 
  • #572
Yeah, we need a portrait for posterity. I wonder why there are no shots of him in transit to the courthouse.

The haircut IMO is real attention-seeking behavior. DM seems to be used to attracting attention. That's one of the reasons why I think of him as the leader. A follower doesn't want the spotlight shining on them all the time.


Actually, I think it is followers who seek attention, that is why they follow. If they were content to sit out of the spotlight, they wouldn't seek to follow anyone.

While it's all fun to mock an inmate for their fashion choices, it could actually be a sign that his mind is slipping from being in solitary confinement for two and a half years. It is well documented to have sever effects on the mental health of humans, and tends to get exasperated the longer the inmate is isolated. It would not be very funny, in my opinion, to be mocking someone for a mental illness, if that turns out to be the case. I wonder how upset some people would be if he was sentenced to a mental facility instead of hard jail time.
 
  • #573
Actually, I think it is followers who seek attention, that is why they follow. If they were content to sit out of the spotlight, they wouldn't seek to follow anyone.

While it's all fun to mock an inmate for their fashion choices, it could actually be a sign that his mind is slipping from being in solitary confinement for two and a half years. It is well documented to have sever effects on the mental health of humans, and tends to get exasperated the longer the inmate is isolated. It would not be very funny, in my opinion, to be mocking someone for a mental illness, if that turns out to be the case. I wonder how upset some people would be if he was sentenced to a mental facility instead of hard jail time.

DM was perfectly sane when he was arrested, and no one, not even his defense, saw fit to have him psychologically tested...so the chances of DM being sentenced to a mental health facility are NIL.

I am sure that they have a ministry in the jail open to prisoners, and if DM ever needed support and prayer, he could go seek it out. He does not need to isolate himself.

I think the haircut is a sign of a twisted mind, a psychopathic one. That will not however send him to a mental facility. He's going to prison.
 
  • #574
My theory can apply to either one, or any pair of guilty party and unwitting accessory. It makes sense for the one who committed the crime to saddle the innocent one with the evidence to set it up to appear that the accessory is a co-conspirator. Especially if one felt that the accessory was uncooperative or apt to turn in the murderer. By telling the accessory that all the evidence is planted on their property alone, the murderer stacks the cards up against the accessory in such a way as to make them far less likely to rat the murderer out for fear of spending their life in jail as well. It makes perfect sense to me, actually.

I never mentioned anyone's socio-economic status, but now that you bring it up, I still think it is far more likely that a man without a vehicle would steal one before a man who already has several. I also find it more likely that someone who has a record for multiple arrests would be more likely to instigate a crime than someone with a clean record.

I also don't think that there would be a DI on a cooperative witness, but I do still believe that if LE were concerned about the safety of one of two co-conspirators, they would put that one into protective custody. Personally, I don't think that the crime itself is enough to provoke random inmates from preforming jailhouse justice on the accused, otherwise they would both be in protective custody. But if authorities feared an attack from one of the two against the other, in my opinion, it would more likely be the instigator of the crime who would be the attacker, to make sure to keep his witness or accessory quiet. I don't know if I have ever heard of a murderer who needs to be protected from the reaches of his unwitting accomplice while in jail.

The flaw in your argument is assuming that there can be one innocent one and one guilty one. DM's actions ceased to be innocent the moment TB died. IF DM were truly innocent, he would go to the police and have MS arrested and testify against him. Instead DM waited until LE hunted him down, and then refused to say a word. He wants to tear the case apart on the American news, but he doesn't want to tear it up with LE. What's with that?

I think the crime is plenty enough cause to see DM severely beaten in jail. That's why HE is in protective custody. Trust me, plenty of people would like to pull his Jedi pigtail.
 
  • #575
DM was perfectly sane when he was arrested, and no one, not even his defense, saw fit to have him psychologically tested...so the chances of DM being sentenced to a mental health facility are NIL.

The point of the original post as I interpreted it, was that solitary confinement has detrimental effects on the sanest of minds. I wonder how you or I would hold up in such circumstances.! :jail:

I am sure that they have a ministry in the jail open to prisoners, and if DM ever needed support and prayer, he could go seek it out. He does not need to isolate himself.

He may well need to isolate himself, as yet we have not been made aware of the reason for the solitary confinement. As for prayer, I don't see that as a requisite for sanity, in fact it can often be the opposite. IMO.



I think the haircut is a sign of a twisted mind, a psychopathic one. That will not however send him to a mental facility. He's going to prison.

If braids are reason to be committed to a mental institution, then there are many men, women and children who are out there escaping the clutches of the nearest psychiatric institution in my opinion. I've seen social workers with braids, lawyers with ponytails and doctors with dreadlocks. Not to mention a judge with a flipover and one with a toupee. Maybe I should rethink my version of normal... :thinking:
 
  • #576
The flaw in your argument is assuming that there can be one innocent one and one guilty one. DM's actions ceased to be innocent the moment TB died. IF DM were truly innocent, he would go to the police and have MS arrested and testify against him. Instead DM waited until LE hunted him down, and then refused to say a word. He wants to tear the case apart on the American news, but he doesn't want to tear it up with LE. What's with that?

I think the crime is plenty enough cause to see DM severely beaten in jail. That's why HE is in protective custody. Trust me, plenty of people would like to pull his Jedi pigtail.

With the utmost respect, I think you are missing the point of the fact that he has been charged and at this point should protect himself if he is innocent. TB may well be deceased but DM isn't.

If DM is innocent it will eventually become known. Either way, a deceased person isn't coming back to give evidence, so it makes sense to me, to allow the course of events to now play out. JMO

If DM is in solitary to prevent him getting a beating, then why is MS not in solitary ? They are both charged with murder. People that assault others in jail wouldn't even notice a pigtail/braid. They would wait till shower time and murder them. Sometimes people on the outside really like that people have been 'taken care of' in jail. People often have a sadistic view of things but liken that view to justice. It's a funny world. :underbus:
 
  • #577
The point of the original post as I interpreted it, was that solitary confinement has detrimental effects on the sanest of minds. I wonder how you or I would hold up in such circumstances.! :jail:

<rsbm>

But it doesn't really matter, does it? If DM was sane when he came in, he cannot get of on an insanity plea.

Of course he would be pretty pathetic and desperate if he thought he could use that defense.
 
  • #578
If DM is in solitary to prevent him getting a beating, then why is MS not in solitary ?

DM is a high-profile killer, and so a target. MS is just "the other guy".
 
  • #579
Pre-trial proceedings continue for Bosma accused



http://www.chch.com/pre-trial-proceedings-continue-for-bosma-accused/

Is this a sign that DM is throwing MS under the bus?

I can't read the news article you linked to.

Before DM was often "staring" and "glaring" at MS while in the prisoner's box on other occasions. MS didn't return the glance. - When I think of it, I would guess: the one with no returning glance (MS) maybe the one with guilty conscience towards the other (DM). Now DM's annoyance may have increased ...
Today (changes sometimes) I think, MS may be the one who had been forced by a gang to implicate DM into the murder of TB.
We will see ...
 
  • #580
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I hope some moderators read this post

.... and maybe start a new category-thread if they think it is a good idea

Most of us have been following these Smich - Millard cases for two years and have developed our own personal theories (guesses) on who did what .

I wish there was a place or thread we could make our predictions before the trial starts , it would be a one-post-per person that could not be altered or modified , and maybe best if at first we could not read everybody else's theory before we post our own.

I think it would be fun to see how right or wrong our pre-conceived notions are , put some of our own skin in the game instead of telling everybody else how right or wrong they are. Maybe have a small prize for who predicts best

Who did what in the Bosma murder and truck theft , the motives , the reasons , who was the instigator (MS or DM) , who was the actual killer , who was the accessory , were they a willing accessory or a reluctant accessory , or had the whole thing planned all along.

Was it for the truck or for the thrill or for both , was the incinerator bought for that purpose or for something legitimate

Things like that , maybe even a bit about the death of WM and LB and our guesses as to the how and why.

Anyone else think it would be a good idea? Anyone else brave enough ? I am . Could be both fun and a challenge , and it would make us put our money where our instincts are.

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