General Discussion and Theories

[SnooperDuper]

Who knows. It's interesting that the stories are different, but I doubt it will have any effect on the outcome of the trial.

I really meant to point out that using MSM, it is not clear if DM or a 'Millardair employee' purchased the thing. To me DM is not an employee of Millardair; he is executive, he is an owner, he is not an employee.

 

[skatergirl]

There was an earlier article where Penner said something along the lines of not having met with Mr Millard during the purchase of the incinerator, IIRC, but I can't seem to find it right now

My thought on this is, if Penner knew the name of the person he spoke to about the incinerator, if it wasn't DM, then it was someone else saying he was DM...odd IMO

In the article as well, there was something about not discussing details of how it was delivered to DM's farm

I will keep searching for the article

 

[Curiositykitten]

I don't see any contradiction here. IMO, DM paid for the incinerator, as reported by the Sun, and had an employee do the leg work, as reported by the Globe and Mail.

It makes perfect sense to me that DM would try to distance himself from the purchase in any way that he could if he was going to use the incinerator to dispose of human remains.

You can't, however, make an employee pay for your personal incinerator out of his or her own pocket.

I"m also not surprised that shipping, taxes, foreign exchange costs, could cause the price to almost double.

 

[Orgona]

I find it perfectly normal that an employee did/does the purchase of any machinery. Every serious company has someone who is arranging those purchases. No one would ever see me or my husband buying anything for our company, that's the job of a procurement employee. We give out the order to purchase and the employee is completing the transaction. None of us need to explain what the machine is needed for except the specifics needed to purchase the right one. After receiving the offers the employee collected from the suppliers, we choose the right one and he completes the deal.
The person completing the transaction in our company's name wouldn't even have an idea if he purchased something we would like to use for some illegal purpose.
On the other hand we(and the accountants) would know everything bigger purchased in our companies name as the invoices are filed into our books, and the amount would be needed to be wired to the supplier from our account as cash purchases are very rare on company level. If something is purchased with cash, that amount would/should be missing from our small purchase cash register.

 

[ReignBRF]

I find it perfectly normal that an employee did/does the purchase of any machinery. Every serious company has someone who is arranging those purchases. No one would ever see me or my husband buying anything for our company, that's the job of a procurement employee. We give out the order to purchase and the employee is completing the transaction. None of us need to explain what the machine is needed for except the specifics needed to purchase the right one. After receiving the offers the employee collected from the suppliers, we choose the right one and he completes the deal.
The person completing the transaction in our company's name wouldn't even have an idea if he purchased something we would like to use for some illegal purpose.
On the other hand we(and the accountants) would know everything bigger purchased in our companies name as the invoices are filed into our books, and the amount would be needed to be wired to the supplier from our account as cash purchases are very rare on company level. If something is purchased with cash, that amount would/should be missing from our small purchase cash register.

Credit card purchases on company credit cards are very common and more likely than wired. We wired out of country purchases of weekly loads for our company but small purchases like this were credit card. This would be a small purchase for their company for sure.

 

[swedie]

Bless their hearts. June 23/13. :tyou:

Bikers hit the road to raise money for Tim Bosma’s family Including emotionally touching videos.

Hundreds of motorcycles roared across southwestern Ontario on Sunday for a memorial charity ride in Tim Bosma's honour. Czech and T Salih didn’t know Bosma, but they wanted to help his grieving family. So the two motorcyclists organized a ride in Bosma’s memory.

Close to a thousand riders made their way to Bosma’s hometown of Ancaster to meet with his emotional parents.
“I saw all those motorcycles come around, and I started crying,” said Bosma’s father Hank. “Tim just loved the motorbikes and he would’ve… he’s jumping right now seeing all this.”

The event raised about $20,000 for Bosma’s widow Sharlene and their young daughter.

Read more: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bikers-...or-tim-bosma-s-family-1.1338441#ixzz2X5Q4ZC2U

 

[swedie]

What became of those donations to an animal welfare fund? Did it (that particular one) even exist or did DM use them for his own agenda or personal gain? Is this how he rewarded his friends?

And that next great chapter for Millardair? The $6.4-million hangar Millard and his father built at the Region of Waterloo International Airport to repair jetliners, it's finished. The building has never been used for anything other than storing small planes and, according to police, stolen vehicles.

The pretty girl he introduced as his fiancée at the Runways Café at the region's airport remains a mystery woman.

Millard, who inherited his father's wealth after his death, wrote Wayne's obituary and asked for donations to an animal welfare fund, listing his home as the fund's address.

Millard also rewarded friends with expensive trips, including his racing partner A M, who rode with him in Mexico's famous Baja 500 off-road desert race in 2011.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/3251642-millard-s-strange-downward-spiral/

 

[Blomquist]

There was an earlier article where Penner said something along the lines of not having met with Mr Millard during the purchase of the incinerator, IIRC, but I can't seem to find it right now

My thought on this is, if Penner knew the name of the person he spoke to about the incinerator, if it wasn't DM, then it was someone else saying he was DM...odd IMO

In the article as well, there was something about not discussing details of how it was delivered to DM's farm

I will keep searching for the article

IMO you have touched on a very accurate point. Who is the DM who Penner spoke with? Was it actually DM? Was anyone ever posing as DM in various situations that required the real DM's authorization ? Just a few questions that I have.... MOO

 

[Curiositykitten]

IMO you have touched on a very accurate point. Who is the DM who Penner spoke with? Was it actually DM? Was anyone ever posing as DM in various situations that required the real DM's authorization ? Just a few questions that I have.... MOO

Not really. Skatergirl was talking about an article she thought she remembered but couldn't find. IMO, better to actually have the article in hand before dissecting something that was never actually written.

 

[Alethea Dice]

There was an earlier article where Penner said something along the lines of not having met with Mr Millard during the purchase of the incinerator, IIRC, but I can't seem to find it right now

My thought on this is, if Penner knew the name of the person he spoke to about the incinerator, if it wasn't DM, then it was someone else saying he was DM...odd IMO

In the article as well, there was something about not discussing details of how it was delivered to DM's farm

I will keep searching for the article

Not really. Skatergirl was talking about an article she thought she remembered but couldn't find. IMO, better to actually have the article in hand before dissecting something that was never actually written.

Here's the article.

Bill Penner of Tri-Star Dairy in Grunthal, Man. said he did not personally meet with Millard and would not reveal details of the actual purchase or how it was delivered to his farm.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

 

[jash]

IMO you have touched on a very accurate point. Who is the DM who Penner spoke with? Was it actually DM? Was anyone ever posing as DM in various situations that required the real DM's authorization ? Just a few questions that I have.... MOO

In the same vein, one can ask was DM ever posing as someone else in various situations. Perhaps DM actually called about the incinerator, but used one of his employees' names. And he almost certainly gave a name other than his own when setting up the test-drives. MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

What became of those donations to an animal welfare fund? Did it (that particular one) even exist or did DM use them for his own agenda or personal gain? Is this how he rewarded his friends?

<rsbm>

Not saying that particular fund was set up for that purpose or used this way, but they are a good way to launder money.

 

[Archangel7]

In the same vein, one can ask was DM ever posing as someone else in various situations. Perhaps DM actually called about the incinerator, but used one of his employees' names. And he almost certainly gave a name other than his own when setting up the test-drives. MOO

BBM

I don't know, DM seems pretty dense to me, when you look at everything.

Seems like it was his tattoo and phone call made to the 1st test drive guy that led police to him to start with wasn't it? IIRC

DM (per MSM) is associated with , drugs, stolen motorcycle/trailer, other vehicles and 1st degree murder so far. Just doesn't seem like a Rhodes Scholar or even an average intelligence. His "friends" may cost him his life.

DM reminds me of the saying "Rags to Rags in 3 generations." 1st Gen makes the fortune(goes from rags to riches), 2nd Gen holds the money and 3rd Gen squanders the fortune back to rags.

 

[swedie]

BBM

I don't know, DM seems pretty dense to me, when you look at everything.

Seems like it was his tattoo and phone call made to the 1st test drive guy that led police to him to start with wasn't it? IIRC

DM (per MSM) is associated with , drugs, stolen motorcycle/trailer, other vehicles and 1st degree murder so far. Just doesn't seem like a Rhodes Scholar or even an average intelligence. His "friends" may cost him his life.

DM reminds me of the saying "Rags to Rags in 3 generations." 1st Gen makes the fortune(goes from rags to riches), 2nd Gen holds the money and 3rd Gen squanders the fortune back to rags.

BBM
I agree AA and question his intelligence. We have a few reported people saying DM was smart, well spoken, seemingly intelligent, well educated. First is his flying teacher. How well did she actually know DM? And she was making reference to kid she knew 14 years ago. A person can change over time and especially during puberty. Then we have the owner of the yacht club DM rented a yacht from. Some people can speak very impressively but are not book smart IMO. How many encounters did he have with DM? Next we have his lawyer. I would hope your lawyer would have a few good things to say about you. How does DP know his client is intelligent and well-educated? Is it because of the way DM speaks? So I guess someone who is humble, unassuming, intelligent, well-educated and financially well off is not capable of murder :floorlaugh: (Ted Bundy right away came to my mind). The last article is from his school peers reflecting back years ago. Former classmates describe DM as an awkward kid who had difficulty speaking and pronouncing words. He is remembered more than most of his peers because he stood out, several said. IMO there is a huge difference between book smart and life skills smart.

I mentioned way back in one of my earlier post about how only children tend to gain a lot of knowledge from being included in adult conversation. He may have learnt to speak maturely or intelligently but that IMO is different from schooling smart. If DM was so intelligent, I ask again, why did he quit school after only attending grade 10? IMO it's just a few peoples' opinions. Until I am shown the facts, I will remain believing DM is assumed to be intelligent only because of his aviation background, the private school he attended and he may have been someone who had a way with words. Just like some salespeople, they could sell ice cubes to Eskimos. They can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. All MOO.

His old flying teacher, Marilyn Daigle, said in an interview that, as a boy, the Toronto French School student was “sweet, smart, really lovely to teach.” She thought for sure he’d end up at an airline one day.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-sto...osma-disappearance-made-flying-history-at-14/

Mr. Millard rented a sailboat for a 10-day cruise of the popular North Channel waterway from Mr. Blodgett in 2011. He was well-spoken and seemed intelligent despite the aggressive look of his shock haircut: a brightly dyed Mohawk. Mr. Millard, 27, was a capable sailor, Mr. Blodgett told Ms. McCutcheon.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ulin-yacht-allegedly-linked-to-bosma-suspect/

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, told CBC News his client isn't the type of person to commit such crimes.

"He's a very unassuming, humble person. He's intelligent, well-educated and financially well off, so there's no motive here," Paradkar said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/13/f-dellen-millard-profile-bosma-case.html

Former classmates describe him as an awkward kid who had difficulty speaking and pronouncing words. He is remembered more than most of his peers because he stood out, several said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...riends-remember-him-as-attention-seeking-kid/

 

[Orgona]

Credit card purchases on company credit cards are very common and more likely than wired. We wired out of country purchases of weekly loads for our company but small purchases like this were credit card. This would be a small purchase for their company for sure.

Yes, you are right Reign, 15,000 is not that big of an amount and it is not an international transaction we are talking about, but that doesn't change my point, though. The company would receive an invoice in that case over the CC purchase. In that case too it leaves a trail to the one person who used that particular company card.

Now DM could also have used one employee of Millardair to purchase the incinerator in the name of another of his companies or even private and the paper trail would lead to the account used to pay for the machine, CC or wire.
I sure don't believe someone could have purchased it in his name behind his back without his knowledge, but I have no problem believing he wasn't the person who completed the transaction.

 

[jash]

BBM

I don't know, DM seems pretty dense to me, when you look at everything.

Seems like it was his tattoo and phone call made to the 1st test drive guy that led police to him to start with wasn't it? IIRC

DM (per MSM) is associated with , drugs, stolen motorcycle/trailer, other vehicles and 1st degree murder so far. Just doesn't seem like a Rhodes Scholar or even an average intelligence. His "friends" may cost him his life.

DM reminds me of the saying "Rags to Rags in 3 generations." 1st Gen makes the fortune(goes from rags to riches), 2nd Gen holds the money and 3rd Gen squanders the fortune back to rags.

I agree the guy isn't a genius but he knew enough to not use a cellphone registered in his own name.

"That cellphone was purchased about three months ago under a fake name, and it was used the day before Bosma vanished, police said."
http://www.cp24.com/news/search-for...ite-arrest-police-say-1.1277199#ixzz2X852vxGu

 

[Blomquist]

Not really. Skatergirl was talking about an article she thought she remembered but couldn't find. IMO, better to actually have the article in hand before dissecting something that was never actually written.

My opinion is as valid as anyone elses. I felt Skatergirl had touched on an important point IMO. That point is still a valid point IMO and is on my list of questions in this case, which forms MOO. Even without the article it is something that I have found to be a point that I feel needs addressing.

Thank you Alethea for posting that article.

 

[Blomquist]

I agree the guy isn't a genius but he knew enough to not use a cellphone registered in his own name.

"That cellphone was purchased about three months ago under a fake name, and it was used the day before Bosma vanished, police said."
http://www.cp24.com/news/search-for...ite-arrest-police-say-1.1277199#ixzz2X852vxGu

Do we know whether or not this cellphone was with DM when arrested? Or has it been identified by someone who believed it to be his? I don't remember seeing anything relating to this, but I may have missed it.

 

[expat cdn]

I agree the guy isn't a genius but he knew enough to not use a cellphone registered in his own name.

"That cellphone was purchased about three months ago under a fake name, and it was used the day before Bosma vanished, police said."
http://www.cp24.com/news/search-for...ite-arrest-police-say-1.1277199#ixzz2X852vxGu

But stupid enough to keep this burner phone for 3 months! Typically, these phones are used for a short time and disposed of.

 

[skatergirl]

Here's the article.



http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

My train of thought yesterday when mentioning this article (thanks for locating it Althea ), was that Mr Penner was quoted as saying he spoke with DM, but did not meet with him, meaning DM was in fact the person inquiring about the incinerator, and at least initiated the process of purchasing it. However, now reading the article, it is not a quote from Mr Penner at all, rather a statement made by the writer.
None the less, IMO whether DM ever actually spoke to Mr Penner, or if it was an employee of Millardair, DM had knowledge of and was involved with the purchase, otherwise why would the machine be on his farm? Surely he had to have known it was there. All just MOO