General Discussion Thread #1 -Bail Hearing

[Lola]

andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Roux: state can't transfer intent to kill from burglar to Reeva. Has to stick to one version and argue that. Lots of legal jargon.

Roux says if he were prosecuting he'd argue for culpable homicide not murder.

 

[Lola]

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
#OscarPistorius Roux tells Nair, by his clients own version they'll seek a charge of culpable homicide. BB

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Discussion about how long between shooting and #OscarPistorius telling someone "I thought it was burglar" - enough to plan coverup? Unclear

Roux: state case that #OscarPistorius meant to kill Reeva, not burglar. Court must deal with that charge.

 

[Lola]

11:40 - Roux referring to Nel: Sometimes it is very difficult to guard against what you really believe. It will come out.

11:40 - Roux: Oscar Pistorius had no intent to kill Reeva. Charge is not that he wanted to kill unknown burglar but that he wanted to kill her.

11:39 - Nair: What is Oscar Pistorius guilty of on the facts in his version? Roux: Culpable homicide.

11:38 - Nair has two bodyguards standing either side of him in court, says Alex Crawford.

David Smith tweets: Two members of Myers family including Steenkamp's 'Johannesburg mother' arrive in court. "We felt it was important Reeva is represented."

11:37 - Roux: Cannot convert this into a planned murder. If the court finds he acted as reasonable person, he will be acquitted.

 

[21merc7]

i'm beginning to think that his sobbing is like a "tell" in poker. when the prosecution gets to the truth - he cries.

Agreed. I also think he looks very angry when he is not having "alligator tears." The one site updating the 1st day also said he stared straight on at Botha when he came up for questioning (when Botha was saying he knows OP on a more personal level than just going to his house for domestic police calls), that made me wonder about issues with witnesses.

 

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Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Roux: Nel also asked how Reeva must have felt facing #OscarPistorius "firing blindly". Yes, firing blindly - not deliberately. @eNCAnews

man, can this guy parse his words or what? why he earns the big bucks no doubt.

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Roux: firearm in bathroom. It's where I expect it to be in that frantic moment. Then grab phone.

 

[Lola]

11:44 - Roux refers to two comments by Nel. "How must Reeva have felt when he was firing" and "we accept he was shooting a burglar".

11:43 - Nair quizzing Roux on whether Pistorius’s initial statement was spontaneous or not. Same track as the orchestrated-scene stuff with Nel, Phillip de Wet says.

11:42 - Mandy Wiener says: As magistrate talks, Roux readjusts his belt, leans forward on the podium and listens carefully.




#OscarPistorius sighs deeply and breathes slowly. Clearly trying to control his emotions. He looks exhausted. @eNCAnews

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Roux: on going to open front door. Has to because security man he called is on way and wants to let him in. Nothing improbable.

Roux: prosecution acknowledging culpable homicide is "far cry" from premeditated murder in reference to bail conditions.

 

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Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Roux: it is impossible for #OscarPistorius to disappear. His legs need constant maintenance and needs medical attention for his stomach.

Roux on state's argument that #OscarPistorius is flight risk: every time he goes through airport security, it causes commotion.

 

[Estelle]

Agreed. I also think he looks very angry when he is not having "alligator tears." The one site updating the 1st day also said he stared straight on at Botha when he came up for questioning (when Botha was saying he knows OP on a more personal level than just going to his house for domestic police calls), that made me wonder about issues with witnesses.

Therfore Botha may not have been objective.

 

[Lola]

srsly, Roux...if you do a flit, do you think you go through security control?

 

[otyikondo]

The same applies in Australia and it then comes off their sentence. Why would you let a suspected murderer go free? He could easily escape the country by road up to Egypt and across to Italy.

Did you read my post about Reeva saying in an interview a week before that he lied? That is very telling! Narcissists/sociopaths are very dangerous as they are not what they seem to be - charming one minute and violent the next. Real Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde characters and are the best liars.

Can't say I read the article in the same light. She seemed to be saying OTHERS - including the media - would make stuff up and ruin things. I wouldn't use that article as any kind of smoking gun.

 

[21merc7]

srsly, Roux...if you do a flit, do you think you go through security control?

Lol, no. You hire a private plane or boat if you are OP. :crazy:

 

[Sarahlou]

Shouldn't the fact that he, y'know, killed someone be the reason not to give bail? They only seem concerned with flight risk.

 

[Lola]

#OscarPistorius judgment at 14:00. BB

#OscarPistorius Roux the applicant with his disability can't just dissapear - going through airports, prosthesis an issue. BB

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Arguments over. Magistrate thanks both for professional manner. Nair says ruling at 2.30 pm

Roux: done more than enough to prove not flight risk. Magistrate: talking about "duck and dive" situation again if Oscar skips bail.

Roux: on flight risk - he cannot go unnoticed through airport security with prosthetic legs. Legs and stumps need constant attention too.

 

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Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Nair will rule on #OscarPistorius bail application at 2:30pm. @eNCAnews

 

[Lola]

11:55 - Nair thanks Nel and Roux for their summations. "I'm now in the unenviable position," of having to decide... at 14:30.

11:54 - Roux correcting himself: Oscar Pistorius prostheses don't require maintenance every month, but often.

11:53 - Nair: Wouldn't it have made sense to put in [his] affidavit his stumps need medical attention and it will be hard in a "duck and dive" situation?

11:51 - Roux: All the factors are present to show that he's not a flight risk.

 

[21merc7]

Thank you, again, for all of the updates! :blowkiss: