General Discussion Thread #1 -Bail Hearing

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Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
#OscarPistorius Nel: we understand people feel remorse, they feel sorry... they feel sorry for themselves. BB

 

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#OscarPistorius sister Aimee appears disturbed by Nel hitting hard at her brother. She sits with her fingers on her lips. BB

#OscarPistorius Nel: he cried when he was found... I shot this woman and now my career is gone, I can't travel, I feel sorry for myself. BB

#OscarPistorius Nel: we're not saying he planned it two weeks in advance, it happened that night. BB

 

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10:27 - Nel arguing that Oscar Pistorius planned his defence to murder - either before or after shooting.

10:26 - Nel: We say the burglar is an afterthought, not even an afterthought, but something he planned he would say.

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Magistrate asks why #OscarPistorius did not move furniture etc to make it look more like it was burglary if that was truly his plan.

Nel: barricaded herself in toilet either to escape fight or gun. Either way he planned to kill.

 

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#OscarPistorius Nel: she baricaded herself in the toilet for a reason - evade fight or gun.Both cases he armed himself. BB

andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Nel: I don't have to answer these questions. #OscarPistorius does.

Nel: #OscarPistorius so convinced he's in danger... Why didn't he look elsewhere in house apart from bedroom for her after shooting?

 

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#OscarPistorius Nel: there's no evidence that he looked anywhere else for her. How did he know she was in the toilet? BB

#OscarPistorius Nel: the last thought of someone who just believed he shot an intruder would be that he shot his girlfriend. BB

 

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10:31 - Nair: Have you shown that the second phone was deceased's? Nel: No we haven't but he hasn't denied it.

10:30 - Nel: I'm not saying that Pistorius didn't make calls after the shooting. We don't say that.

10:30 - Nel: In our version, Steenkamp locked herself in [the] toilet either to escape [an] argument or to escape [the] gun.

 

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#OscarPistorius Nel: the IO has been criticised for what he didn't do, but lets look at what he did do. BB

Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Nel: the fact that we have one survivor of that tragic night is difficult for the state. #OscarPistorius @eNCAnews

Nel: if #OscarPistorius knew that there was another phone that was removed from the scene, why didn't defense offer it? @eNCAnews

Nel: why did #OscarPistorius not call the security guard after the shooting? The guard called him. @eNCAnews

 

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#OscarPistorius Nel: the defence asks why didn't the IO ask for the phone he used to call help. I ask, why didn't he offer it? BB

andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Nel: on available evidence #OscarPistorius illegally in possession of ammunition - even if it is his father's.

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Nel: stresses #OscarPistorius walked past her side of bed 3 times.

Nel: suspicious about #OscarPistorius claim that he only slept that one night on other side of bed.

 

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#OscarPistorius Nel: we say we have the evidence of the IO. He described the scene for us. We concede he's not an expert... BB

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Nel: detective not expert re ballistics angles but he was eyewitness and his version not challenged.

#OscarPistorius Nel: ... but you don't need to be an expert to be a witness to where things were found (refers to firearm and phones) BB

 

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10:39 - Nel: Gun holster also found on left hand side. No way to test this evidence, only Pistorius knows.

Nel stresses Pistorius walked past her side of the bed three times.

10:38 - Nel: He claims he had shoulder problems and slept on other side of bed. It will be very difficult for the State to test that.

10:37 - Nel: Reeva's overnight bag and slippers [were] on [the] left hand side of [the] bed, but Pistorius says she slept on [the] right hand side.

 

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Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
#OscarPistorius Nel: even the President said in his State of the Nation address we must prioritise crimes of violence against women... BB

 

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Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
#OscarPistorius Nel: the degree of violence present in this case is horrific. BB

 

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David Smith tweets: Tears threaten to break Pistorius's composure but he fights them back.

Nel: ...But you don't need to be an expert to be a witness to where things were found (refers to firearm and phones)

10:40 Nel: we say we have the evidence of the [investigating officer]. He described the scene for us. We concede he's not an expert...

 

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Nel: the degree of violence present in this case is horrific. You're in a little cubicle, someone fires blindly. It must have been horrific.

Nel: even President Jacob Zuma said in his SONA that we really need to prioritize crimes against women. We can't pay lip service @eNCAnews

 

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Nel: #OscarPistorius was protected too much. There's now a person dead. @eNCAnews

#OscarPistorius Nel: there are previous incidents where the applicant threatened people with violence. BB

#OscarPistorius Nel: you're stuck in this little cubicle and someone fires blindly into it. Not one, two shots, but four. BB

 

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Nel points out that Minister for Women and Children came to court for first day of #OscarPistorius bail application. @eNCAnews

#OscarPistorius Nel: he is worried about his sponsorships, his image... "always me". BB

 

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH
Nel: #OscarPistorius always talking about "me... Please protect me..." Re covering up prior threats and incidents.

Nel: put yourself in deceased position. Must have been terrifying. Not 1 or 3 shots. No. 4 shots.