General Discussion Thread #4

[Estelle]

Kitty, or anyone:

Looks like they removed the comments and are not allowing new ones.

Comments back up.
See the one by GerardDerm.
A very different take on Reeva.

Those remarks by GerardDerm are very scathing of Reeva. No other women have come forward that OP was dating since RS and he started. Perhaps RS always expected committed relationships and Lahoud did not give that to her in the end - hence her rightful possessiveness and seeming jealousy. But there has been no evidence of it with OP. In fact, it seems to have been the other way around.

I wonder who this GerardDerm really is.

 

[Estelle]

Speaking to Vanity Fair, Botha, who knew Pistorius from a previous arrest on assault charges, said: 'The only place there could have been entrance was the open bathroom window and we did everything we could to see if anyone went through it, and it was impossible.

'So I thought it was an open-and-closed case. He shot her - that's it.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vinced-Blade-Runner-guilty.html#ixzz2SDYlmsfS

We have not really talked about the bathroom window before.

 

[Estelle]

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-30-the-oscar-and-reeva-story-hits-amazon

The Oscar and Reeva story hits Amazon

 

[shane13]

I read the VF article. Highlights to me follows..

There’s much from other articles you all know. But a few things were new to me and important.

When someone was trying to put a tourniquet around Reeva’s arm the doctor-neighbor said, “There’s head wounds [plural!] —it’s not going to help.”
Now I first thought—aha the cricket bat. But then I thought that the bullet could have been a through and through—and IMO this could even be the bullet later found in the loo. JMO

When Botha and cops saw much blood on Oscar, but not on his hands, he was asked “Did you wash your hands?”
Answer: “Yes because they were full of blood.”
(Not gonna help his court case methinks.)

And perhaps the definitive view of the Cassidy T-M door slamming event.

From Cassidy’s attys: Paraphrasing.
At the party, Oscar’s then GF, Melissa Rom, caught OP kissing another woman, and gave him whatfor. Oscar was incensed and “under the influence” [as I always suspected] and threw out Rom, and Cassidy—her GF. When Cassidy wanted to go back in and get her purse, with car keys, etc in it, Oscar slammed the door on her so hard, top part broke off.

 

[Carol70]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vinced-Blade-Runner-guilty.html#ixzz2SDYlmsfS

We have not really talked about the bathroom window before.

It may have been impossible however, at that time, in OP mind, perhaps he wasnt to know that. You can google but alot of burglars access homes through bathroom windows. These are generally smaller and dont have bars etc on them.

Also, see attached for interests sake.

 

[Carol70]

I read the VF article. Highlights to me follows..

There’s much from other articles you all know. But a few things were new to me and important.

When someone was trying to put a tourniquet around Reeva’s arm the doctor-neighbor said, “There’s head wounds [plural!] —it’s not going to help.”
Now I first thought—aha the cricket bat. But then I thought that the bullet could have been a through and through—and IMO this could even be the bullet later found in the loo. JMO

When Botha and cops saw much blood on Oscar, but not on his hands, he was asked “Did you wash your hands?”
Answer: “Yes because they were full of blood.”
(Not gonna help his court case methinks.)

And perhaps the definitive view of the Cassidy T-M door slamming event.

From Cassidy’s attys: Paraphrasing.
At the party, Oscar’s then GF, Melissa Rom, caught OP kissing another woman, and gave him whatfor. Oscar was incensed and “under the influence” [as I always suspected] and threw out Rom, and Cassidy—her GF. When Cassidy wanted to go back in and get her purse, with car keys, etc in it, Oscar slammed the door on her so hard, top part broke off.

Interesting point about the head injury, it was reported there was brain matter on the found bullet I think I recall.

Also, why would washing his hands be suspicious? I have no doubt they would be full of blood and why wouldnt he wash them after she is pronounced dead? I would imagine he washed his face too as if he had blood on his hands, it was reported that when para's arrived, he put his head in his hands so he may have had blood smeared on his face too???

 

[shane13]

Interesting point about the head injury, it was reported there was brain matter on the found bullet I think I recall.

Also, why would washing his hands be suspicious? I have no doubt they would be full of blood and why wouldnt he wash them after she is pronounced dead? I would imagine he washed his face too as if he had blood on his hands, it was reported that when para's arrived, he put his head in his hands so he may have had blood smeared on his face too???

BBM;
Guilt
Alteration of Evidence

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_Lady_Macbeth's_repeated_hand_washing_mean

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/cases/katrina/Human Rights Watch/uspohtml/uspo60.htm

 

[Estelle]

It may have been impossible however, at that time, in OP mind, perhaps he wasnt to know that. You can google but alot of burglars access homes through bathroom windows. These are generally smaller and dont have bars etc on them.

Also, see attached for interests sake.

I guess the police do not have to prove that there was no intruder by looking for DNA on the window sill as the intruder was supposedly RS. But fancy a burglar being able to get into a window section the size of an A4 piece of paper! Therefore, I guess the prosecution cannot argue that it was impossible for an intruder to climb into the bathroom window.

But before RS was killed, OP was privy to knowledge that ladder/s had been left around there so did he just ignore this fact and not move them as if he was so security conscious or fearful of intruders anyway or did OP premeditate this crime and either left them there on purpose or did he put the ladders there himself as it sounds such a coincidence otherwise?

 

[shane13]

It may have been impossible however, at that time, in OP mind, perhaps he wasnt to know that. You can google but alot of burglars access homes through bathroom windows. These are generally smaller and dont have bars etc on them.

Also, see attached for interests sake.

I guess the police do not have to prove that there was no intruder by looking for DNA on the window sill as the intruder was supposedly RS. But fancy a burglar being able to get into a window section the size of an A4 piece of paper! Therefore, I guess the prosecution cannot argue that it was impossible for an intruder to climb into the bathroom window.

But before RS was killed, OP was privy to knowledge that ladder/s had been left around there so did he just ignore this fact and not move them as if he was so security conscious or fearful of intruders anyway or did OP premeditate this crime and either left them there on purpose or did he put the ladders there himself as it sounds such a coincidence otherwise?

Yes,we've discussed the window before. And maybe this does run deep (longer premeditation)--but that will never likely be proven.

Furthermore now RE the window. Not only is that contradictory--being in great fear of burglary or worse, yet keeping that window open...AND the ladder outside

BUT the recent YOU magazine article was about OP's good friend and neighbor. Christo Menelaou. This was HIS ladder left at OP's house.
BUT HE was the last one burgled in that complex 2 years ago--and it was HIS own ladder left outside his house that was used to gain entry--by a security guard!!

So knowing all this why...?? unless?

 

[Estelle]

Yes,we've discussed the window before. And maybe this does run deep (longer premeditation)--but that will never likely be proven.

Furthermore now RE the window. Not only is that contradictory--being in great fear of burglary or worse, yet keeping that window open...AND the ladder outside

BUT the recent YOU magazine article was about OP's good friend and neighbor. Christo Menelaou. This was HIS ladder left at OP's house.
BUT HE was the last one burgled in that complex 2 years ago--and it was HIS own ladder left outside his house that was used to gain entry--by a security guard!!

So knowing all this why...?? unless?

OP claimed that workmen had recently been working on his house and it was they who had left the ladder there.

I guess it will be simple for the Prosecution to ask questions of the workmen as to why the ladder was left there and if it was left by them or OP and if so, why? How long had OP borrowed it for?

Answers could prove premeditation as well as OP not being very security conscious after all.

 

[shane13]

OP claimed that workmen had recently been working on his house and it was they who had left the ladder there.

I guess it will be simple for the Prosecution to ask questions of the workmen as to why the ladder was left there and if it was left by them or OP and if so, why? How long had OP borrowed it for?

Answers could prove premeditation as well as OP not being very security conscious after all.

As I already indicated (from the VF article), the ladder belongs to his friend and neighbor,Christos. (He is in construction, and such.)

 

[Estelle]

How many bullets were actually fired?

What happened to the first urine sample taken from Oscar?

Pieces of the Puzzle: A Guide to the Oscar and Reeva Case: Laurie A Claase: Amazon.com: Kindle Store

 

[shane13]

I read the VF article. Highlights to me follows..

There’s much from other articles you all know. But a few things were new to me and important.

When someone was trying to put a tourniquet around Reeva’s arm the doctor-neighbor said, “There’s head wounds [plural!] —it’s not going to help.”
Now I first thought—aha the cricket bat. But then I thought that the bullet could have been a through and through—and IMO this could even be the bullet later found in the loo. JMO

When Botha and cops saw much blood on Oscar, but not on his hands, he was asked “Did you wash your hands?”
Answer: “Yes because they were full of blood.”
(Not gonna help his court case methinks.)

And perhaps the definitive view of the Cassidy T-M door slamming event.

From Cassidy’s attys: Paraphrasing.
At the party, Oscar’s then GF, Melissa Rom, caught OP kissing another woman, and gave him whatfor. Oscar was incensed and “under the influence” [as I always suspected] and threw out Rom, and Cassidy—her GF. When Cassidy wanted to go back in and get her purse, with car keys, etc in it, Oscar slammed the door on her so hard, top part broke off.

Interesting point about the head injury, it was reported there was brain matter on the found bullet I think I recall.

Also, why would washing his hands be suspicious? I have no doubt they would be full of blood and why wouldnt he wash them after she is pronounced dead? I would imagine he washed his face too as if he had blood on his hands, it was reported that when para's arrived, he put his head in his hands so he may have had blood smeared on his face too???

Thanks Carol for acknowledging my original deduction on the head wounds.
How's things going in SA now?

 

[Estelle]

Thanks Carol for acknowledging my original deduction on the head wounds.
How's things going in SA now?

Shane, does your deduction about the head wounds discount possibility of prior wounds from the cricket bat?

 

[Estelle]

How many bullets were actually fired?

What happened to the first urine sample taken from Oscar?

Pieces of the Puzzle: A Guide to the Oscar and Reeva Case: Laurie A Claase: Amazon.com: Kindle Store

Has anyone ever heard about the first sample of OP's urine being lost?

 

[shane13]

I read the VF article. Highlights to me follows..

There’s much from other articles you all know. But a few things were new to me and important.

When someone was trying to put a tourniquet around Reeva’s arm the doctor-neighbor said, “There’s head wounds [plural!] —it’s not going to help.”
Now I first thought—aha the cricket bat. But then I thought that the bullet could have been a through and through—and IMO this could even be the bullet later found in the loo. JMO

When Botha and cops saw much blood on Oscar, but not on his hands, he was asked “Did you wash your hands?”
Answer: “Yes because they were full of blood.”
(Not gonna help his court case methinks.)

And perhaps the definitive view of the Cassidy T-M door slamming event.

From Cassidy’s attys: Paraphrasing.
At the party, Oscar’s then GF, Melissa Rom, caught OP kissing another woman, and gave him whatfor. Oscar was incensed and “under the influence” [as I always suspected] and threw out Rom, and Cassidy—her GF. When Cassidy wanted to go back in and get her purse, with car keys, etc in it, Oscar slammed the door on her so hard, top part broke off.

Shane, does your deduction about the head wounds discount possibility of prior wounds from the cricket bat?

My deduction--from my first post above--shows this is another possibility.

Nothing I suppose can be totally discounted until all forensics and autopsy are revealed.
But it's beginning to look less likely RE cricket bat.
Too bad BBC3 docu. did not have Perumal say anything in this regard. He was at autopsy and knows the forensics as well.

So apparently it is desired for us not to know for certain at this time. Hopefully at trial, whenever that will be.

But my new deduction on the through and through head shot may be the most likely posibility now.
MO

 

[soozieqtips]

Botha explains why he's still convinced OP intentionally killed Reeva.

"The only place there could have been entrance was the open bathroom window, and we did everything we could to see if anyone went through it, and it was impossible. So I thought it was an open-and-closed case. He shot her? that's it," Botha said.

"It was just them in the house and according to the security registers she had been staying there for 2 to 3 days.
So, he had to be used to her by that time? there was no forced entry," Botha said, according to Vanity Fair.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-intentionally/story?id=19080527#.UYkBF8panX8

 

[Nova]

Thanks, very interesting comments. I guess no one thought that maybe Reeva was the jealous one and not OP....

Why is it either/or? In fact, friends of mine who had the most jealous husbands eventually found those same husbands were cheating.

 

[Estelle]

As I already indicated (from the VF article), the ladder belongs to his friend and neighbor,Christos. (He is in construction, and such.)

I was under the impression that it was OP who told police that workmen had been working on his house and had left the ladders there.

So could OP have purposely borrowed the ladders himself that day from Christos and put them there? Therefore, OP will not be able to prove that workmen were there or could it be both?

If it can be proven that ladder/s were intentionally left there by OP or workmen told to leave them there, it will indicate a strong case for premeditation from that time. Otherwise, no one would leave ladders lying around if you were security conscious.

Also if RS had been staying there for a few days, the conflict between OP and RS could have been escalating - hence OP conceived this plan.

 

[Estelle]

Why is it either/or? In fact, friends of mine who had the most jealous husbands eventually found those same husbands were cheating.

Good point, Nova. My opinion is that OP is a cheat in more ways than just one.