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  • #561
just started following this thread and Carol I am seeing the same thing you are
-white shirt round neckline
-grey/white hair
-dark glasses

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You got it all wrong! Re-read...

She sees only feet....I am the one who sees the person with the white shirt, white hair etc.
re-read the posts
 
  • #562
And since I first identified her/him, it has crossed my mind that this could be a cleaning person.

I know there were those 2 sisters...
This does not mean they were the ones who sold the pic.
 
  • #563
ok sorry Shane your right
 
  • #564
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Is this the photographer?
Can you see what looks like an older white person, with white hair,possibly glasses?
Not sure if male or female.

Can someone process this. Make sure its not an artifact.
We may have him or her.

Can't believe the idiot captured his/her own image in the shower glass. It does indeed look like an old white haired man / woman in a white tee shirt.
 
  • #565
just started following this thread and Carol I am seeing the same thing you are
-white shirt round neckline
-grey/white hair
-dark glasses
-possible a doctors mask over face in blue

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Welcome Gibson. :)

I don't see that at all. I see the reflection of the shower mat on the tiles, above that the blue which appears to be shoes of some sort then above that naturally the legs. I also can't see how the photographers face would have been caught head on in the shower door when the pics are clearly taken at a downward angle. If he was on his knees and the photo a direct shot, then maybe.

Shane, in the one article that was linked ( think citipress), it was speculated that the photographer was bare legged wearing running shoes. Will go back and check, don't think it said his face was caught.
 
  • #566
And since I first identified her/him, it has crossed my mind that this could be a cleaning person.

I know there were those 2 sisters...
This does not mean they were the ones who sold the pic.

Seems to me they have a camera or phone up to their face taking the picture. Well spotted Shane!
 
  • #567
Here is another pic, sorry..just took a screen shot with my iPad.
This pic appears to be taken at a lower level, head on towards the loo. The photographer has maybe gone onto his haunches or knelt to take this as its direct. I wonder if that's why this one is in black and white. He would have been clearly visible in the shower door IMO.

Thoughts??
 

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  • #568
Welcome Gibson. :)

I don't see that at all. I see the reflection of the shower mat on the tiles, above that the blue which appears to be shoes of some sort then above that naturally the legs. I also can't see how the photographers face would have been caught head on in the shower door when the pics are clearly taken at a downward angle. If he was on his knees and the photo a direct shot, then maybe.

Shane, in the one article that was linked ( think citipress), it was speculated that the photographer was bare legged wearing running shoes. Will go back and check, don't think it said his face was caught.

They definitely said it was a HE wearing runners and shorts. I think he is crouching down.
 
  • #569
And since I first identified her/him, it has crossed my mind that this could be a cleaning person.

I know there were those 2 sisters...
This does not mean they were the ones who sold the pic.

Could it be a member of a forensic team with a blue face mask pulled down and the white plastic cap they also wear over their hair ?
 
  • #570
Lol, just reading what the SA commentators have to say..Hilton Botha is taking a bashing over this, seems after OP , he is now public enemy No. 2 :p
 
  • #571
Could it be a member of a forensic team with a blue face mask pulled down and the white plastic cap they also wear over their hair ?


I agree with you - this could be a member of the forensic team.

I see a man with

- dark hair (?) or plastic a cap
- a blue face mask (above you can see his nose and eyes)
- a white protective suit

left an unmarked snippet - right I marked head, mask and shoulders

.........



This doesn't looks like Botha
 
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  • #573
I agree with you - this could be a member of the forensic team.

I see a man with

- dark hair (?) or plastic a cap
- a blue face mask (above you can see his nose and eyes)
- a white protective suit

left an unmarked snippet - right I marked head, mask and shoulders

/sniped


This doesn't looks like Botha
Ahh ok, I get what you guys are seeing now. But how can the face be so close to the bath mat on the floor? The floor tiles are also clearly visible in the reflection, they go right up to the blue. I still see shoes with what I now believe to be forensic protective covers on.
 
  • #574
Can't believe the idiot captured his/her own image in the shower glass. It does indeed look like an old white haired man / woman in a white tee shirt.

Interesting to note how much lower the handle is on the shower door than the loo door, re: earlier discussion about custom door handles so OP can open while on his stumps.
 
  • #575
News report naming and showing some of the state's provisional witnesses. Interesting to actually see some of the players in motion: Lahoud, Batchelor, Divaris:

Prosecutors prepare a star-studded list of witnesses ahead of the Oscar Pistorius murder trial - YouTube


Also interesting: among witnesses there are 12 neighbors, 5 security guards and 3 paramedics. The reporter mentions that the state is keeping mum about who has been approached, and that they denied having to subpoena anyone to give a statement to investigators.

Still I wonder about those who have "changed their mind" about making a statement.
 
  • #576
I'm looking forward to watching these. If anyone gets links to the footage, Plse post.

London - Evidence that neighbours of Oscar Pistorius heard him arguing with his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, just hours before he shot and killed her is undermined in a documentary to be broadcast on Monday night.

In the second of two Channel 5 documentaries in the UK to be aired on Monday, a day before Pistorius appears in the dock for a pre-trial hearing on Tuesday, two of South Africa's top lawyers use experts and a full-size reconstruction of Pistorius's bathroom and bedroom to dissect the evidence on which his fate hangs, dismissing claims that neighbours heard the couple rowing.

Immediately before that, in Why Did Oscar Pistorius Kill Our Daughter?, Ms Steenkamp's parents say that their daughter told them the couple were arguing, and explain why they feared for her safety. For the first time they will also show her painting of a gunman, an angel and a stairway to heaven - images that they claim were a “premonition”.

Pistorius, who is currently on R1m, became the first double-amputee track athlete to compete in the Olympics when he raced in London last year. He killed Ms Steenkamp, a model, in the early hours of Valentine's Day at his Pretoria home.

He says he mistook her for an intruder and shot her four times, hitting her in the head and arm, while she was in the bathroom. Prosecutors say the killing was premeditated. If found guilty, the one-time Paralympic poster-boy would receive a very lengthy jail sentence.

The prosecution must provide a motive to have him convicted of premeditated murder, and part of that case relies on two witness statements saying the couple were arguing. But, in Pistorius Trial: The Key Questions, on Monday at 10pm, those statements from neighbours living 300 metres from the athlete's home, are called into question. Technology used to measure the noise impact of new train lines suggests that voices arguing could not be heard from 300 metres away, but only from a distance of about 50 metres.

Two lawyers, Estelle Kilian acting for the prosecution and Marius Du Toit for the defence, agree this witness evidence is likely to be undermined. But, the documentary says, unsubstantiated claims that the pair had sent texts to others could still provide a motive.

It has been alleged that Pistorius sent texts to another woman of a “flirtatious nature” after he had begun his four-month relationship with Ms Steenkamp, which might provide a motive, while Ms Steenkamp, 29, is said to have been trading messages with a previous boyfriend. Why she took her mobile phone to the bathroom - where it was found by police - in the middle of the night is also under scrutiny.

The documentary also asks whether it is plausible that Pistorius, 26, didn't notice Reeva was not in bed before he started shooting. An illumination engineer backs Pistorius's claims that it was “pitch black” and he could not see that Ms Steenkamp was not in bed as he manoeuvred around the bed to get his 9mm pistol and confront the supposed burglar.

But Laurie Peters, a criminologist, says the fact that he didn't check whether Reeva, whom he shot four times while she was in the bathroom, was in bed or not was illuminating. She says: “He didn't even bother to find out where Reeva was before he fired blindly into the dark. That would be a red flag to me because psychologically the first thing you would do is find the people you want to protect.” - The Independent on Sunday
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...ide-of-pistorius-drama-1.1525829#.UauJbcsaySM
 
  • #577
I looked again at this photo - searching for the "particular mark on the toilet wall" of the bullet or cartridge (there were different reports about this)



This photo shows no market on the toilet wall although it shows the wall in the same high as the bullet wholes in the door. IMO this means the other two bullet wholes have been fired higher.

The other point gave questions for me is the blood at the toilet seat.

I said it before, that Reeva couldn't sit at the toilet when the shots were fired because she was hit at the right side of her body - but the bloodstains are on the left side of the toilet (if you sit at the seat).

The bloodstains at the toilet seat look very bright - IMO to bright for blood that droped directly from any wound onto the toilet seat.

Therefore my theory is: Reeva stood between toilet and wall when OP fired through the door. And after she finally was hit in her head (based on the lot of blood I assume) the blood dropped onto the toilet seat. Based on all the stress and foremost her wounds she was weak in the legs and sat down on the toilet seat. This implicated that the blood on the toilet seat became blurred by her clothing.
 
  • #578
Ahh ok, I get what you guys are seeing now. BIB 1 But how can the face be so close to the bath mat on the floor? BIB 2 The floor tiles are also clearly visible in the reflection, they go right up to the blue. BIB 3 I still see shoes with what I now believe to be forensic protective covers on.

BIB 1 - I guess the person stood resp. hunkered down behind or at the end of the bath mat so it's part of the photo.

BIB 2 - Maybe the tiles you see up to the blue mask are the reflection of tiles from the walls because the whole bathroom is tiled.

BIB 3 - Where do you see shoes or feet? That's not a personal attack :) but I can't see shoes or feet anywhere. Can you mark it at the photo, please, maybe I'm blind.



Interesting to note how much lower the handle is on the shower door than the loo door, re: earlier discussion about custom door handles so OP can open while on his stumps.

BIB - What you see isn't the handle of the shower door it's the other side of the door with one of the hinges.

I thought the same as you when I looked at the photo first time and was also confused as you :)
 
  • #579
BIB 1 - I guess the person stood resp. hunkered down behind or at the end of the bath mat so it's part of the photo.

BIB 2 - Maybe the tiles you see up to the blue mask are the reflection of tiles from the walls because the whole bathroom is tiled.

BIB 3 - Where do you see shoes or feet? That's not a personal attack :) but I can't see shoes or feet anywhere. Can you mark it at the photo, please, maybe I'm blind.





BIB - What you see isn't the handle of the shower door it's the other side of the door with one of the hinges.

I thought the same as you when I looked at the photo first time and was also confused as you :)
Lol, I know it's not a personal attack! :) When I'm at work tomorrow on my pc,I will outline what I see..hehe, to me it's clear as day! In fact. I actually see 2 feet. One foot facing directly towards the reflection, the other at an angle almost like the photographer had his body turned slightly to the right when taking the picture. I couldn't see the face at all until you outlined what you see. I will do the same tomorrow and hopefully everyone will stop thinking I've gone mad! :D
 
  • #580
Lol, I know it's not a personal attack! :) When I'm at work tomorrow on my pc,I will outline what I see..hehe, to me it's clear as day! In fact. I actually see 2 feet. One foot facing directly towards the reflection, the other at an angle almost like the photographer had his body turned slightly to the right when taking the picture. I couldn't see the face at all until you outlined what you see. I will do the same tomorrow and hopefully everyone will stop thinking I've gone mad! :D

TXL Carol :)

I believe I now know what for you looks like a shoe with a blue cap and a leg with jeans :D

What you see is at this part of the photo, am I right?



For you it looks like the blue mask others see is the feet with the blue cap and above is the leg with jeans. But if you look at my two snippes you can see the nose and eyes of the person above the blue (face) mask. I hope this helps for clarification :)


And this - marked on the second photo - could be in fact a camera





It's not very clear, sorry

But I miss the cocked hand (arm) holding the camera.
 
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