General discussion thread No. 15

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And what about this O'Brien guy - he left his SICK DAUGHTER home alone, vomiting, while he went to dinner....... wonder how old his daughter is.

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"Dr Russell O'Brien, 36.

A consultant in acute medicine at the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital, he knew Gerry McCann from Leicester.
He was on holiday with his partner Jane Tanner and their two young daughters.
At 9.25pm he left the restaurant for around 25 minutes to check on one of the girls, who was ill.
He has been subject to a vicious Portuguese press campaign alleging he was absent for over an hour when Madeleine went missing. He has threatened to sue, insisting: "These reports are completely untrue and extremely hurtful."
 
Mrs. McCann has suggested that the corpse smell on her holiday clothing might have come from dealing with her patients in her GP practice. Some of us wondered why she would take her corpsey work clothes on vacation with her. Or why she might wear such casual clothing when attending the dead in Rothley. The outfit she wore to church yesterday certainly looked like Praia da Luz-wear with a cardigan on top. Perhaps she does dress like that all the time. Or so we may be meant to believe...(plays paranoia music in the background)

:laugh: Corpsey work clothes!!!

Hey, I said it before, I dress casually for work, but not as casual as the photos of what she's wearing--but maybe corpses are like engineers, they don't care much what people around them are wearing.
 
Another version of the time line published in the UK Guardian Newspaper.
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" According to the newspaper Sol, the friends' account is as follows:6pm The McCanns collect Madeleine and their twin siblings from the creche at the Ocean Club
7.30 The three children are put to bed
8.30 Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the tapas restaurant
8.45 Family friends Russell O'Brien, a doctor from Exeter, and Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, a doctor and recruitment consultant from London, arrive
8.55 David and Fiona Payne, both doctors from Leicester, arrive
9.00 Gerry McCann goes to check on his children
9.05 Mr McCann is returning to the table when he runs into Jeremy Wilkins, an English TV producer whom he befriended on the tennis courts, and the pair chat in the street just outside the McCann's apartment
9.10 Jane Tanner, Mr O'Brien's partner, is coming late to the dinner, one of their children having been sick, when she sees a man walking away from the McCann's apartment with a child over his shoulder. She tells police that she passed directly alongside Mr McCann and Mr Wilkins; the latter tells police he saw neither her nor the mysterious man
9.25 Gerry McCann returns to the restaurant. Mr Oldfield leaves to check on his own children
9.30 Mr Oldfield goes to the McCann's apartment; he doesn't raise any suspicions at the time but later says that he noticed there was more light in the apartment. Russell O'Brien leaves at the same time, to discover that his daughter is vomiting
9.35 Mr Oldfield returns to the table
9.55 Mr O'Brien returns
10.00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and discovers that her daughter has gone. She returns to the restaurant and raises the alarm"
 
<Source>

"Dr Russell O'Brien, 36.

A consultant in acute medicine at the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital, he knew Gerry McCann from Leicester.
He was on holiday with his partner Jane Tanner and their two young daughters.
At 9.25pm he left the restaurant for around 25 minutes to check on one of the girls, who was ill.
He has been subject to a vicious Portuguese press campaign alleging he was absent for over an hour when Madeleine went missing. He has threatened to sue, insisting: "These reports are completely untrue and extremely hurtful."

That word hurtful keeps coming up again & again with these folks, doesn't it? Now, I'm not saying everything the media are saying is true. Between the secrecy laws & the language difference, plus people on BOTH sides trying to manipulate things, I'm skeptical of everything. So, I can see why they would want to set the record straight. But why the need to add the "hurtful" bit? We understand that being falsely accused (if that is the case) is "hurtful". It's almost like they're trying to make out that any questioning of their role is an attack upon them. When it's really something which should've been done from the beginning as part of a cover all your bases investigation. Yes, it's painful for grieving parents to be treated as suspects, but given that many children are harmed by family members, it's necessary for the police to rule them out when a child is harmed.

And the "hurtful" comments extend to when people even try to question why they left the 3 kids under the age of 4 alone in a hotel room out of sight & earshot. It's like everyone's just supposed to go along with the image of this group of martyrs and believe all they say as gospel. Otherwise, one's a big meanie who's trying to hurt the grieving parents (I'm not speaking of anyone here on this board, but rather a general reaction by the public and the McCanns' comments as well as those of those surrounding them). I don't have kids & maybe I'm judging harshly, but if my kid were missing and I thought she'd been abducted, my tender feelings would be the last thing I'd be using media time to discuss. It's another thing which leads me to lean towards suspicion.
 
ny: I totally agree with you.

Reports are hurtful? gimme a break. Perhaps they might consider using less spin, fewer paid media consultants to intending to shape my opinion, and less photo ops that clot up my news. I consider that to be hurtful to me, and my desire to hear important news.

Two can play at this I-Me-Mine game.
 
Just hear on our news that the Police chief in charge of the Madelaine case has resigned.
 
Yes, but not for the reasons that were given by newsman Martin Brunt. See here:

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/

and here:

http://portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=21448
This is confusing. In this article http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/09/17/madeleine-mccann-cop-quits-case-disgusted-at-the-way-parents-treated/ Martin Brunt is said to have reported:

Martin Brunt the Sky Crime Correspondent said that Olegario was taken off the case, as he is the police spokesman in the case and that case has now moved from the police to the prosecution. But this conflicts with stories that Sousa in fact quit on his own back because the way that things have been leaked to the media.

Which goes directly with what your posted articles indicate. But against yourclaim that Martin Brunt is the source for the rumors of his quitting . I actually used this post in another thread to contradtict his supposed dusgust.

What am I missing :confused: :confused:
 
See, that's what I'm talking about. (I love the way Martin Brunt denies what he said by bringing it up and then offering a differing position. He's done this so many times with information about the McCanns.)

Sousa did not quit because he was upset over the way the investigation was being leaked to the media or he thought the McCanns were being vilified.

His position as official case spokesman was eliminated because any questions about it will be handled by the prosecutor's office.
 
ny_, excellent point about the "hurtful." Well said.

It's constantly a personal insult or all about feelings with them, which is the last thing we need to think about when a child is missing.
 
See, that's what I'm talking about. (I love the way Martin Brunt denies what he said by bringing it up and then offering a differing position. He's done this so many times with information about the McCanns.)

Sousa did not quit because he was upset over the way the investigation was being leaked to the media or he thought the McCanns were being vilified.

His position as official case spokesman was eliminated because any questions about it will be handled by the prosecutor's office.

Media at their best again.:confused:
 
Another version of the time line published in the UK Guardian Newspaper.
<Source>

" According to the newspaper Sol, the friends' account is as follows:6pm The McCanns collect Madeleine and their twin siblings from the creche at the Ocean Club
7.30 The three children are put to bed
8.30 Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the tapas restaurant
8.45 Family friends Russell O'Brien, a doctor from Exeter, and Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, a doctor and recruitment consultant from London, arrive
8.55 David and Fiona Payne, both doctors from Leicester, arrive
9.00 Gerry McCann goes to check on his children
9.05 Mr McCann is returning to the table when he runs into Jeremy Wilkins, an English TV producer whom he befriended on the tennis courts, and the pair chat in the street just outside the McCann's apartment
9.10 Jane Tanner, Mr O'Brien's partner, is coming late to the dinner, one of their children having been sick, when she sees a man walking away from the McCann's apartment with a child over his shoulder. She tells police that she passed directly alongside Mr McCann and Mr Wilkins; the latter tells police he saw neither her nor the mysterious man
9.25 Gerry McCann returns to the restaurant. Mr Oldfield leaves to check on his own children
9.30 Mr Oldfield goes to the McCann's apartment; he doesn't raise any suspicions at the time but later says that he noticed there was more light in the apartment. Russell O'Brien leaves at the same time, to discover that his daughter is vomiting
9.35 Mr Oldfield returns to the table
9.55 Mr O'Brien returns
10.00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and discovers that her daughter has gone. She returns to the restaurant and raises the alarm"

I'm sorry, but I cannot understand how Mr. O'Brien can possibly come back to dinner and leave a very young child who has just vomited. :furious: It just burns me up completely.

Didn't these people have cell phones? I mean - good grief! Why didn't he call back to the table and say he was staying with the child? I guess his stomach was growling, huh? :banghead:

The problem with that is that little children find it scary to throw up alone, and any doctor worth his salt should know that. Ugh! Wasn't he afraid she might choke?


Also posted by Blaize:
As had become their custom, they had put their three children to bed in their flat at 7pm before going to a nearby tapas bar half an hour later.

They did not use a listening device to monitor their twins Sean and Amelie, two, and Madeleine, three.

But as they were sitting no more than 70 yards from the rear door of their ground-floor flat, they felt confident that their established childcare arrangements were sufficient.
I love that article because it is so matter of fact with the bizarre details. When you read the parents' interviews, they say things like "It was just like being in the back garden of your own house." Yeah, if you live on a farm so you can be 70 yards from the house. Start walking away from your house and take 70 strides, and see how far away you are at the end of it. No possible way anyone could hear a child from that far away without any sort of monitor.

It is unclear what happened between 7.30pm and and 9pm, but Mr McCann has said that he went on a checking trip at 9.05pm - and noticed a door which he thought had been left shut in the flat was ajar.

He thought nothing of it, however, as his children were fast asleep.
That's the most clueless thing of all. He only thought of the children getting "out" and not anyone "breaking in." Notice that was toward the end of the evening, and he must have had a bit of wine to be so illogical. If he had checked earlier and the door was closed, then it stands to reason that something was wrong if the door was open. He says the children were "fast asleep, but did he really go in and check?

There's just something not right about it, and I can't explain it exactly. A concerned parent would not ignore an open door, whatever the case. :doh:
 
Right, Thoughtfox, the open door but no worry from the parent.

Ever notice the things they talked about that were sure signs later of an abduction...but at the time, meant nothing?

The open door.
The man carrying a child and walking away.

Anything else?
 
No wonder O' Brien and the Mc Canns are friends, they seem to share the "atypical" parenthood techniques. :rolleyes:
 
Right, Thoughtfox, the open door but no worry from the parent.

Ever notice the things they talked about that were sure signs later of an abduction...but at the time, meant nothing?

The open door.
The man carrying a child and walking away.

Anything else?

Light coming in from the shutter is another one I believe.
 
See, that's what I'm talking about. (I love the way Martin Brunt denies what he said by bringing it up and then offering a differing position. He's done this so many times with information about the McCanns.)

Sousa did not quit because he was upset over the way the investigation was being leaked to the media or he thought the McCanns were being vilified.

His position as official case spokesman was eliminated because any questions about it will be handled by the prosecutor's office.

More on this:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/twitterings/176434.html

Madeleine McCann: Olegário de Sousa Denies
 
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