General Discussion Thread No. 18

[CaliKid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6623127.stm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073270,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

These are links to 2 of the earliest articles about Madeleine's disappearance, but there is nothing in them to indicate what Kate said. IIRC, the "They've taken her" statement was made by one of Gerry's sisters or an aunt.

 

[gord]

Please keep in mind that it is entirely possible the McCanns managed to hire a PR firm in Portugal to shine up their tarnished reputation.

At this point in time, I think it is wise to be very skeptical of new reports that appear to contradict the early reports. Especially those early reports, that were basically the same, except for minor inconsistencies.

Just my two cents

Salem

Salem

I think we have to be very skeptical of all news reports that dont nail down reports that are verified and can easily be checked .

It was what I attempted to do in the hard evidence thread - which didnt really happen

There are all sorts of things that we dont know - everything we see comes from the press and most of it is contradictory -

 

[SleuthMom]

Actually if is true that Kate screamed from the balcony makes so much sense than returning to the restaurant without the twins. You know, you don't see your kid..you freak out and start shouting.

 

[emery]

If that's true don't you think that at least one of the other 8 people would have asked him who he was texting? It takes more than a few seconds to send and recieve 14 messages.

If the 14 figure includes both sent and received messages, it may not have taken much time. Perhaps he only sent 7 and then received 7 replies. And what if he was replying to messages he had received and was only answering yes and no questions. This wouldn't take much time at all. And, if the 14 number includes single messages sent to multiple people, it would take even less time.

I don't text message, but in my experience with blackberries, the communication tends to be quite terse.

 

[Bandini]

Unlike what has been reported, Kate gave the warning from the balcony of the apartment where slept Maddie with her twin brothers Sean and Amélie, and not in the restaurant. "She was in panic and cried," they've taken her, they've taken her,they took our girl, " told that employee to his colleagues, saying that facing the distress of , Maddie's mother," her husband and friends went to see the that was happening. "Only later, Kate have returned to the restaurant, at a time when everybody was already searching for the child.

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Sounds like they're now trying to "correct" the earlier report (and reverse public opinion) in which Kate ran back to the tapas bar, leaving the twins alone (possibly in a dangerous situation, if Madeleine was abducted as they now claim), instead of staying there and calling Gerry on the cell. Hollering from a balcony at 9:30 or 10:00 pm and from a distance comparable to the length of football field - to who? absolutely "ludicrous".

 

[emery]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6623127.stm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073270,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

These are links to 2 of the earliest articles about Madeleine's disappearance, but there is nothing in them to indicate what Kate said. IIRC, the "They've taken her" statement was made by one of Gerry's sisters or an aunt.

I also wonder if the "They've taken her" quote might be a bit garbled in translation. A Portuguese-speaker who isn't fluent in English might hear it as "they've taken her" or might be paraphrasing what she said or, in being translated from Portuguese to English, it might get reported as "they've taken her" even if that isn't precisely what she said. Do we have any English speakers who corroborate that this is what she yelled?

 

[Barnaby]

I also wonder if the "They've taken her" quote might be a bit garbled in translation. A Portuguese-speaker who isn't fluent in English might hear it as "they've taken her" or might be paraphrasing what she said or, in being translated from Portuguese to English, it might get reported as "they've taken her" even if that isn't precisely what she said. Do we have any English speakers who corroborate that this is what she yelled?

Charlotte Pennington, the nanny, an English lady, confirmed that kate said "They,ve taken her"

I absolutely agree with posters who say the new story about Kate screaming from the balcony is a direct attempt to improve their image!

 

[SleuthMom]

Barnaby, where is the report coming from? (the one that says Kate screamed from balcony)

 

[colomom]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/08/05/i-m-sorry-madeleine-98487-19573670/

"Then there was panic and fear. That was the first thing that hit. I was screaming her name. I ran to the group."

So perhaps it is a combination of screaming "Madeleine" from the Patio as she ran back to the group and "they've taken her " when she arrived at the group's table. Of course Mrs Fenn would have heard her screaming too.

Kate still hasn't said why she left the twins alone if she was so certain that there was an abductor on the prowl and why she didn't wake them to see if they had been drugged or interfered with.

"I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left"

OR

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492617&in_page_id=1770

"A waiter at the Portuguese holiday complex where the family were staying said instead of running back to the tapas bar where she was dining with her husband Gerry and friends, Kate McCann raised the alarm from the balcony of their apartment."

 

[gord]

Charlotte Pennington, the nanny, an English lady, confirmed that kate said "They,ve taken her"

I absolutely agree with posters who say the new story about Kate screaming from the balcony is a direct attempt to improve their image!

what you mean Charlotte - the unreliable witness who has lied already - that Charlotte -


Sorry Barnaby but I couldnt resist that one

 

[april4sky]

Charlotte Pennington, the nanny, an English lady, confirmed that kate said "They,ve taken her"

I absolutely agree with posters who say the new story about Kate screaming from the balcony is a direct attempt to improve their image!

Their official statements will show what they said and did.
And we still don't know what was said in these statements.
I don't believe these rumours are coming from the McCanns as nothing would be more unhelpful to them unless this is what is in their statements.
At this point it's just another rumour.
But which rumour is true, if any?

 

[Rino]

Charlotte Pennington, the nanny, an English lady, confirmed that kate said "They,ve taken her"

I absolutely agree with posters who say the new story about Kate screaming from the balcony is a direct attempt to improve their image!

I do too, being the witch hunter that I am

The Portuguese man said that instead of running back to the tapas bar where the McCanns and their friends were dining Kate McCann screamed: "They've taken her, they've taken her, they've taken our little girl."

The bolded part makes little sense when in fact they had two little girls. She would have named Maddie - imo. Also the quote is still "They've taken her", an accusation not an observation.

 

[gord]

I do too, being the witch hunter that I am

The Portuguese man said that instead of running back to the tapas bar where the McCanns and their friends were dining Kate McCann screamed: "They've taken her, they've taken her, they've taken our little girl."

The bolded part makes little sense when in fact they had two little girls. She would have named Maddie - imo. Also the quote is still "They've taken her", an accusation not an observation.

If you can imagine - I know it is difficult for you - but just imagine that maddy was abducted and not killed / hidden by the parents

kate on discovering Maddeline missing and after a quick search in the villa wouldnt have been exactly talking sense - she woul have been approaching panic and just screaming anything to get some attention . It probably didnt make " sense " but by that time Kate was loosing it big time .

All the reports I have read say that both Gerry and Kate were in absolute bits - distraught and not making a lot of sense - just desperatly trying to find Maddeline

OK they could be the worlds best actors - but to me that just seems hard to take

 

[Rino]

If you can imagine - I know it is difficult for you - but just imagine that maddy was abducted and not killed / hidden by the parents

:slap:

kate on discovering Maddeline missing and after a quick search in the villa wouldnt have been exactly talking sense - she woul have been approaching panic and just screaming anything to get some attention . It probably didnt make " sense " but by that time Kate was loosing it big time .

This is you imagining

All the reports I have read say that both Gerry and Kate were in absolute bits - distraught and not making a lot of sense - just desperatly trying to find Maddeline

OK they could be the worlds best actors - but to me that just seems hard to take

Outside of the not making sense we have all read the same reports. Please link where is has been reported they were making no sense.

I never once thought they were "acting", they lost a daughter and I beleive they caused it to happen. That does not dampen their grieve or horror at what happened.

It is you who chooses to link their reactions with innocence based on what you constantly remind me I can't know- what they were actually feeling.

All we know is what is she said, and in my opinion what is reported as happening does not gel with an abduction.

 

[gord]

:slap:


This is you imagining


Outside of the not making sense we have all read the same reports. Please link where is has been reported they were making no sense.

I never once thought they were "acting", they lost a daughter and I beleive they caused it to happen. That does not dampen their grieve or horror at what happened.

It is you who chooses to link their reactions with innocence based on what you constantly remind me I can't know- what they were actually feeling.

All we know is what is she said, and in my opinion what is reported as happening does not gel with an abduction.

Hi Rino - I was actualy answering your earlier point in relation to them not making sense - You said it made little sense Kate screaming they have taken our little girl when they had two - I am just saying that I dont think Kate would have been making much sense atall at that time she would have been hysterical - reports are that she was - so try an disect what she says doesnt get us anywhere

If they had just killed and hidden their daughter - then wandered down to the Tapas bar fior some food and drinks - look normal and chat with people , Gerry even had a chat with Wilkins for about 10 minutes discussing tennis or god knows what - then I am sorry that is acting to me - they would then have to time the " discovery " and make their reaction look convincing - It was part of the plan - not some instantaeneous reaction of grief .

No-one knows what they feel not me not you - no-one . - we are both just trying to interpret their actions - yes I am leaning towards innocence and your are leaning toward guilt -

 

[Notebook]

It is possible for this to not be an abduction and Kate didn't know at that point. My theory is she was sent back unknowingly to be the one to find Maddie missing. I feel whoever sent her did it on purpose...

 

[Squishified]

It is possible for this to not be an abduction and Kate didn't know at that point. My theory is she was sent back unknowingly to be the one to find Maddie missing. I feel whoever sent her did it on purpose...

Your theory is something I have never thought of before...................:waitasec:

 

[colomom]

It is possible for this to not be an abduction and Kate didn't know at that point. My theory is she was sent back unknowingly to be the one to find Maddie missing. I feel whoever sent her did it on purpose...

Oh notebook, do tell.

More!!

 

[ThoughtFox]

Their official statements will show what they said and did.

Not if someone is lying. :banghead:

And we still don't know what was said in these statements.

We have their public statements, some of which contradict what they said earlier to the police. That is a problem. Kate and Gerry have been talking alot - so we know what they say they did.

I don't believe these rumours are coming from the McCanns as nothing would be more unhelpful to them unless this is what is in their statements.

Not if they realized they had contradicted themselves, or contradicted someone else.

Any witness they can find that makes them look better is a bonus. That is always the basis of a good defense.

 

[chicoliving]

This is getting pretty long. New thread #19 here