General Gun Violence/Gun Control

[MrsWatson]

Evidently handguns are the likely culprit in that case. I wonder how they obtained their guns. I’m willing to bet it wasn’t legal.

What laws do you enact to prevent this because I can’t come up with anything. if you’re going to commit a crime you certainly won’t be worried about breaking gun laws. imo

Dadeville shooting injured more people than originally thought, ALEA says: Handguns likely used

Nearly 48 hours after the shooting, few details have been released by the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency.

www.al.com

“Special agents did not recover any high-powered rifle ammunition at the scene; however, they did recover numerous shell casings used in handguns.

Alabama shooting: 3 arrested for violence at birthday party

Alabama police have charged a 16-year-old, a 17-year-old, and a 20-year-old for the shooting at a Sweet 16 birthday party that left 4 dead and dozens injured.

www.fox5atlanta.com

BBM

I had linked this information on that thread.

Alabama to allow concealed guns without permit in 2023

Alabama on Jan. 1 will become the latest state to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without getting a state permit that requires a background check

abcnews.go.com

AL does not require licensing your gun in any way. They do not require a waiting period, nor a background check.

Alabama Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

Chart providing details of Alabama Gun Control Laws

www.findlaw.com

ETA: The Find Law link has not updated the Jan 2023 repeal of AL permitting requirements.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

BBM

I had linked this information on that thread.

Alabama to allow concealed guns without permit in 2023

Alabama on Jan. 1 will become the latest state to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without getting a state permit that requires a background check

abcnews.go.com

AL does not require licensing your gun in any way. They do not require a waiting period, nor a background check.

Alabama Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

Chart providing details of Alabama Gun Control Laws

www.findlaw.com

ETA: The Find Law link has not updated the Jan 2023 repeal of AL permitting requirements.

Two of the shooters were minors and aren’t allowed to possess a handgun.

 

[MrsWatson]

DBM

 

[MyBelle]

Two of the shooters were minors and aren’t allowed to possess a handgun.

Murderers aren't known for respecting laws. That's why they are being charged as adults. JMO

 

[seasideForest]

So, reading the Guardian newspaper this evening the following title caught my eye: Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard Nothing really to show me that it's in the USA, but immediately I thought: something that crazy has got to be in the US. MOO JMO I was right.

Once again, no offense to the many Americans on Websleuths. I'm sure there are cities and regions and maybe even whole states where something this crazy wouldn't happen. But if you don't have a gun to hand, it's obviously harder to go and shoot people for allowing a ball to come on your property. In other parts of the globe the man might have yelled and swore OTT and/or refused to give the ball back.

Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

So, reading the Guardian newspaper this evening the following title caught my eye: Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard Nothing really to show me that it's in the USA, but immediately I thought: something that crazy has got to be in the US. MOO JMO I was right.

Once again, no offense to the many Americans on Websleuths. I'm sure there are cities and regions and maybe even whole states where something this crazy wouldn't happen. But if you don't have a gun to hand, it's obviously harder to go and shoot people for allowing a ball to come on your property. In other parts of the globe the man might have yelled and swore OTT and/or refused to give the ball back.

Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard

This guy is a felon. It is against the law for a felon to possess a gun. Now what law can we pass to prevent something like this. Criminals don’t care about laws. moo

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Gaston County Police have multiple warrants for Singletary’s arrest. He is charged with four counts of attempted murder, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon.

 

[Eli9]

This guy is a felon. It is against the law for a felon to possess a gun. Now what law can we pass to prevent something like this. Criminals don’t care about laws. moo

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Gaston County Police have multiple warrants for Singletary’s arrest. He is charged with four counts of attempted murder, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon.

He also beat his ex girlfriend with a mini sledgehammer last December and held her against her will. There is a manhunt for him now.

 

[everybodhi]

So, reading the Guardian newspaper this evening the following title caught my eye: Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard Nothing really to show me that it's in the USA, but immediately I thought: something that crazy has got to be in the US. MOO JMO I was right.

Once again, no offense to the many Americans on Websleuths. I'm sure there are cities and regions and maybe even whole states where something this crazy wouldn't happen. But if you don't have a gun to hand, it's obviously harder to go and shoot people for allowing a ball to come on your property. In other parts of the globe the man might have yelled and swore OTT and/or refused to give the ball back.

Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard

The twisted “get off my lawn” murders seem to be growing.
It’s a perverse interpretation of the castle doctrine and “stand your ground”.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Murderers aren't known for respecting laws. That's why they are being charged as adults. JMO

If a criminal wants a gun they will get one. No law will stop them. imo

 

[everybodhi]

This guy is a felon. It is against the law for a felon to possess a gun. Now what law can we pass to prevent something like this. Criminals don’t care about laws. moo

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Gaston County Police have multiple warrants for Singletary’s arrest. He is charged with four counts of attempted murder, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon.

This one is easy. Crimes against women and children have long been overlooked and/or given light charges and sentences. We’ve made some progress but not enough. I remember when beating your wife held a lighter charge than beating your girlfriend, it was written in criminal codes.
When he was arrested back in December for hitting his girlfriend in the head with a sledgehammer and prevented her from leaving, (assault and battery and kidnapping) he should not have been released as anyone who would do that is obviously a danger to others and the community.

 

[seasideForest]

Your reasoning makes an assumption I don’t make. I have no expectation that what works in one country will work in another. I’m not sure what works in one state or city works in another.


JMO

RSBM
While I don't necessarily have an expectation that what works in one country will work in another, it seems sensible to me to share information and discuss. Obviously no country is quite like another country, but there are thinktanks in one country who look towards other countries to see how they deal with all sorts of issues. Delegations go from one country to another to see how neighbouring countries deal with xyz, e.g. within the EU.

Do you feel that the US is unique and can't learn anything from countries that are vaguely similar? Canada, Germany and Switzerland are all countries with a lot of law-making / decision-making at the provincial/Länder/canton level as well as federal. And in Switzerland afaik every man of 'military fighting' age is required to keep a gun in his own house, yet there aren't daily reports of gun violence coming out of Switzerland. So what's the difference between the Swiss and the Americans in relation to gun violence? I don't know personally, but there are quite a lot of answers in this article Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings not to mention an explanation on the requirement for men to keep a serviced gun in their house. MOO

But isn't it worth looking into when you consider the gun violence taking place in the US atm? Canada isn't the US, obviously, but there are a number of similarities between the 2 countries IMHO. I used to live in Canada, btw. So why isn't there a similar amount of gun violence in Canada?

And within one country, there have to be things that work all over the country even if in some parts of the country or in some segments of society these measures/laws are unpopular, otherwise there would be anarchy. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

This one is easy. Crimes against women and children have long been overlooked and/or given light charges and sentences. We’ve made some progress but not enough. I remember when beating your wife held a lighter charge than beating your girlfriend, it was written in criminal codes.
When he was arrested back in December for hitting his girlfriend in the head with a sledgehammer and prevented her from leaving, (assault and battery and kidnapping) he should not have been released as anyone who would do that is obviously a danger to others and the community.

If North Carolina had a Red Flag law, his gun would have been confiscated after his arrest for the domestic violence.

'I've introduced for a fourth time a Red Flag Law.' NC Democrats aim for gun safety with bills

"It's really important that we keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have guns."

abc11.com

 

[MyBelle]

If a criminal wants a gun they will get one. No law will stop them. imo

LE will stop them.

City Council passes ordinance with new penalties for illegal guns, but some aren't on board

This week, the City Council passed an ordinance allowing police to impose fines and jail time on people caught with an illegal gun – regardless of what happens in court.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[seasideForest]

This guy is a felon. It is against the law for a felon to possess a gun. Now what law can we pass to prevent something like this. Criminals don’t care about laws. moo

RSBM for focus.

Correct, criminals don't seem to care about laws too much. What law can you pass to prevent it? As I suggested in a different post, I would think it would be worth your while as Americans to see what other countries do to try and prevent 'deranged' people getting hold of a gun, for example. Check here: Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Switzerland is pretty strict e.g. People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland. The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun. The latter could mean some people are prevented from getting a gun license although they aren't actually a danger to society. That would be hard luck for that particular person but there are always some people who strike unlucky I suppose. Personally, I'd prefer a little unfairness or perceived unfairness in this kind of direction (not getting a gun license) than in the terrible unfairness of a completely innocent person being shot. MOO IMO.

 

[everybodhi]

If a criminal wants a gun they will get one. No law will stop them. imo

I don’t understand this argument, all kinds of crimes are committed but that is no reason to not make laws to prevent them and protect others. It’s like throwing up your hands and saying you just have accept it and let them be.
It’s like saying people are going to speed, everyday it’s happening, so why have a speed limit, license to drive suspensions, or insurance liability for when they injure or kill people on the road.
Which brings me to the fact that there are no liabilities for gun owners, if they leave guns accessible and they get stolen and people are killed, oh well. Not their problem, they have no legal responsibility.
Not to their communities, not even to their own children. Parents are very rarely charged if their child uses their gun to kill, and even more rarely convicted.
Guns should be insured against liabilities.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

LE will stop them.

City Council passes ordinance with new penalties for illegal guns, but some aren't on board

This week, the City Council passed an ordinance allowing police to impose fines and jail time on people caught with an illegal gun – regardless of what happens in court.

www.cbsnews.com

We can hope. Maybe the penalty needs to be a lot higher for illegal possession. I could get onboard with that.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

RSBM
While I don't necessarily have an expectation that what works in one country will work in another, it seems sensible to me to share information and discuss. Obviously no country is quite like another country, but there are thinktanks in one country who look towards other countries to see how they deal with all sorts of issues. Delegations go from one country to another to see how neighbouring countries deal with xyz, e.g. within the EU.

Do you feel that the US is unique and can't learn anything from countries that are vaguely similar? Canada, Germany and Switzerland are all countries with a lot of law-making / decision-making at the provincial/Länder/canton level as well as federal. And in Switzerland afaik every man of 'military fighting' age is required to keep a gun in his own house, yet there aren't daily reports of gun violence coming out of Switzerland. So what's the difference between the Swiss and the Americans in relation to gun violence? I don't know personally, but there are quite a lot of answers in this article Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings not to mention an explanation on the requirement for men to keep a serviced gun in their house. MOO

But isn't it worth looking into when you consider the gun violence taking place in the US atm? Canada isn't the US, obviously, but there are a number of similarities between the 2 countries IMHO. I used to live in Canada, btw. So why isn't there a similar amount of gun violence in Canada?

And within one country, there have to be things that work all over the country even if in some parts of the country or in some segments of society these measures/laws are unpopular, otherwise there would be anarchy. MOO

Excellent post, interesting article. It again points to the “individualism vs common good” discussion.

 

[everybodhi]

RSBM
While I don't necessarily have an expectation that what works in one country will work in another, it seems sensible to me to share information and discuss. Obviously no country is quite like another country, but there are thinktanks in one country who look towards other countries to see how they deal with all sorts of issues. Delegations go from one country to another to see how neighbouring countries deal with xyz, e.g. within the EU.

Do you feel that the US is unique and can't learn anything from countries that are vaguely similar? Canada, Germany and Switzerland are all countries with a lot of law-making / decision-making at the provincial/Länder/canton level as well as federal. And in Switzerland afaik every man of 'military fighting' age is required to keep a gun in his own house, yet there aren't daily reports of gun violence coming out of Switzerland. So what's the difference between the Swiss and the Americans in relation to gun violence? I don't know personally, but there are quite a lot of answers in this article Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings not to mention an explanation on the requirement for men to keep a serviced gun in their house. MOO

But isn't it worth looking into when you consider the gun violence taking place in the US atm? Canada isn't the US, obviously, but there are a number of similarities between the 2 countries IMHO. I used to live in Canada, btw. So why isn't there a similar amount of gun violence in Canada?

And within one country, there have to be things that work all over the country even if in some parts of the country or in some segments of society these measures/laws are unpopular, otherwise there would be anarchy. MOO

Switzerland has a long history of regulating ammo, as well.
For instance, all ammo must be marked and traceable.
Firing ranges distribute the ammo used, monitoring the shots and unused ammo is returned.

Fedlex

 

[MyBelle]

Switzerland has a long history of regulating ammo, as well.
For instance, all ammo must be marked and traceable.
Firing ranges distribute the ammo used, monitoring the shots and unused ammo is returned.

Fedlex

BBM. I think regulating ammo is key. Our Federal government should tightly regulate the sale of ammo.

 

[PrairieWind]

So, reading the Guardian newspaper this evening the following title caught my eye: Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard Nothing really to show me that it's in the USA, but immediately I thought: something that crazy has got to be in the US. MOO JMO I was right.

Once again, no offense to the many Americans on Websleuths. I'm sure there are cities and regions and maybe even whole states where something this crazy wouldn't happen. But if you don't have a gun to hand, it's obviously harder to go and shoot people for allowing a ball to come on your property. In other parts of the globe the man might have yelled and swore OTT and/or refused to give the ball back.

Man shoots girl, six, and her parents after ball rolls into his backyard

Well, we had the shooting in Vancouver yesterday ( a miracle that wasn't a blood bath). Today two strangers in Toronto argue over a parking place, one is brutally stabbed. Why are people soooo willing to resort to violence for everything?