General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Whisperer]

I think LE said they were satisfied with eight hours of the timeline regarding rc's work hours.

 

[Whisperer]

We heard from the one neighbor of RC's but we never heard from the other side..
Wasn't it a single woman with a young baby? If home, she may have heard something. I know she moved a few weeks after the crime.

 

[Whisperer]

That seems to be local gossip.

When Cummings was with Crystal Sheffield, 24, his now ex-girlfriend, she became pregnant with Haleigh. To support the baby, Cummings said he left ITT Tech, where he had been studying for months and was pursuing a computer technology degree.

His career since, he said, has been in construction. Work became harder to get once Haleigh disappeared and the economy worsened, he said.

Cummings said having steady work and being a good provider later helped him win custody of his children when he and Sheffield vied for Haleigh and Ronald Jr.

Today, with his father in jail, toddler Ronald Jr. is living with Sheffield.

The night Haleigh vanished, Cummings was working a late shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. Video camera footage from PDM Bridge confirms he was at work that night.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100207/ARTICLES/2071006/1118?p=5&tc=pg

Regarding the last sentence, do you happen to know who said this. The rest of it is from cummings himself or his mother's bio she gave to the press one time and is self-serving...I want to hear from locals who live there and are not related to the cummings.

 

[Concerned Papa]

That seems to be local gossip.

When Cummings was with Crystal Sheffield, 24, his now ex-girlfriend, she became pregnant with Haleigh. To support the baby, Cummings said he left ITT Tech, where he had been studying for months and was pursuing a computer technology degree.

His career since, he said, has been in construction. Work became harder to get once Haleigh disappeared and the economy worsened, he said.

Cummings said having steady work and being a good provider later helped him win custody of his children when he and Sheffield vied for Haleigh and Ronald Jr.

Today, with his father in jail, toddler Ronald Jr. is living with Sheffield.

The night Haleigh vanished, Cummings was working a late shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. Video camera footage from PDM Bridge confirms he was at work that night.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100207/ARTICLES/2071006/1118?p=5&tc=pg

Respectfully, that seems to be the same local source that said "I don't do drugs".

 

[cluciano63]

About Ron being at werk...I can't help wondering if when LE said, according to Leonard Padilla, that there is no way he could have left work...if that could mean, because he never went to werk...

I also look at the date on these threads and my mind boggles at the fact that over 15 months now, this cast of characters has managed to evade, lie, manipulate the truth, avoid prosecution or even arrest, on anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance and apparent death...just cannot believe it and would never have believed it if someone had said, last year, they'd still be holding on to their evolving stories and avoid being charged, this far into the future...from 2/9/09.

 

[cluciano63]

and no one has said they saw haleigh, outside of various family members, after the school bus time, if i remember correctly...RC not off the hook in my book...

 

[jessigirl]

I currently have an email into both women that wrote the 6 page piece on 2-7-1010 on the gainesville.com. I have in the past emailed to these reporters and were given very credible info and a cited source(not for this particular article but several months back on a separate article) So, hopefully unless they are terribly swamped at the present time I should hear back from either in the next 24 or no later than 24hrs(in the past it was rather within just a few hours that one of them replied) I do agree that in the beginning parts of this article that it is based on an interview directly from Ronald Cummings, as they accurately wrote that each statement was per Ron. But if you continue to read the article thru its entire amount you will see that this does not continue to be their ONLY source for the info included, as there seem to be multiple sources for the multiple subjects that are addressed throughout this piece. But am waiting to hopefully hear exactly who/what/when/where are her sources for the video footage specifically, along with if they have confirmation of his work hours at PDM the 9th-10th of Feb.2009 and if so that source also. I'll let you know if I can get it confirmed and by whom.

 

[jessigirl]

I still do not have a definite theory about this case but I have always believed there was a sinister reason why Haleigh was taken out of her home while Jr. was left behind. I believe she was taken for sexual purposes and then murdered because they knew she would tell what had happened to her.

And out of the mouths of babes comes truth imo. If Jr. had known the person who took his sissy out of the room he would have said so instead of saying "the man in black took sissy away" (paraphrasing) Also if Ron had been there Jr. would have said he was there when she was taken.

I believe the witnesses who saw Haleigh after Ron went to work will turnout to be credible and there may be more witnesses that have not come to light yet.

Ron's alibi was the easiest to verify since he was working at the time. In 15 months not one soul that worked with him at the bridge building company has come out and refuted his alibi.

So I believe the 3 am get off time holds true and eliminates Ron Cummings in the disappearance and subsequent murder of his little daughter. There is simply no way he could have done all the necessary steps that would have had to be taken and be able to do it in 26 minutes, including disposing of Haleigh's body imo. With sightings of Haleigh after he went to work shores up his alibi even more imo.

So whomever the perpetrator(s) are imo they knew that Ron was at work and knew what time he got off and they knew that there was no one there at his home but Misty and the children when they entered the home using another excuse or Misty asked them to come over.

Maybe their intent was to bring Ron to his knees by taking the child that was always his heart. Maybe they were cracked out on drugs or just plain evil.

IMOO

I too agree with your above post and in My life I have found that ppl are much quicker to point out the negatives than they are to come to your defense. As in the fact that I believe that ppl would have much more quickly come out to REFUTE/DISPROVE RCs alibi of being at PDM from 5pm-3am on the nite of Haleigh's disappearance(Especially if what so many have said is true that alot of the ppl that RC worked with at PDM were mad or didn't like him{and 1 of the posters here at WS actually looked up&called a co worker of RC&her report of the phone call was that the co worker called RC an SOB, but her report of the convo mentioned NOT A WORD refuting RCs alibi})This would have made it all the more likely for 1 or more to have easily REFUTED his alibi and in 15mos, thats not happened.
One other thing that of course is JMHO is what RC did that last morning (2-9-2009) that really spoke volumes to me as to just how much little Haleigh was his heart&shows that for her he would go literally "out of his way" to make his little Miss Haleigh happy and it is also corroborated by others statements such as Chelsea Croslin's that stated that RC would always have Haleighs hair cutely fixed, for example w/matching, bows, socks, with her little outfits.That she would step out in the mornings looking as if she'd just left the beauty parlor and was on her way to a fashion show. That backs up the statement that the morning of the 9th that none of the outfits that were at RCs house were what Haleigh "wanted" to wear that day to school and that RC drove all way to Wetlaka to GGS to get her the specific outfit that Haleigh "wanted" to wear to school that day. Now does that say or mean or show that he was the best father ever? No, but what it says to me is that this little girl was this man's heart, his pride&evidently it brought him joy to see her happily dressed cute in her little "girlie" outfits and not only did he take the time and put in the effort to see that this little girl was not just "appropriately" dressed but dressed in exactly what Haleigh "wanted" to wear,that in a way Haleigh kinda ruled, as in what she wanted, daddy got for her. Which segways directly into another Humble Opinion of mine, that MC was infact jealous of Haleigh and RCs relationship and that MC competed with that precious little 5 year old girl.And God knows what that competiveness, jealousy& envy played a part in MC possibly with FULL Knowledge allowing to be done to and with that precious child that was her daddy's heart


ETA: My opinion of how I feel RC adored&loved his daughter in no way negates the obvious recklessness this man chose to live his life, but NEVER do I think he intentionally or even accidentally as some theorize,he harmed his little girl, NEVER. But of course this is MOO and when WHOMEVER ARE THE PERPS ARE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE,if I am proven to be COMPLETELY wrong, I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM OR HESITATION OF FULLY ADMITTING I AM WRONG,Because my #1 goal is and has and always will be swift and powerful justice for ALL INVOLVED in this precious child's life being taken.

 

[epiphany]

I currently have an email into both women that wrote the 6 page piece on 2-7-1010 on the gainesville.com. I have in the past emailed to these reporters and were given very credible info and a cited source(not for this particular article but several months back on a separate article) So, hopefully unless they are terribly swamped at the present time I should hear back from either in the next 24 or no later than 24hrs(in the past it was rather within just a few hours that one of them replied) I do agree that in the beginning parts of this article that it is based on an interview directly from Ronald Cummings, as they accurately wrote that each statement was per Ron. But if you continue to read the article thru its entire amount you will see that this does not continue to be their ONLY source for the info included, as there seem to be multiple sources for the multiple subjects that are addressed throughout this piece. But am waiting to hopefully hear exactly who/what/when/where are her sources for the video footage specifically, along with if they have confirmation of his work hours at PDM the 9th-10th of Feb.2009 and if so that source also. I'll let you know if I can get it confirmed and by whom.

Interesting quotation from H's maternal grandmother re Misty:

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Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, 44, sees something different. If Griffis were alone with Croslin, she said she might try to shake the truth out of her. In the end, though, she said her heart goes out to the 18-year-old.

"Her life spiraled. The mother in me sees the little girl whose life was shattered even more," Griffis said.

 

[jessigirl]

Take another look. The skylight is nowhere near the rear hallway. It appears to be about halfway between the double living room windows and the kitchen window.

doobiedoo52 is correct. The skylight is in the kitchen making the point of my post even more relevant. With the moonlight that night, an abductor would not have needed to turn on the kitchen light.

Dang, I drag out my big new words of "lunar luminosity" and all anyone wants to do is pick on EXACTLY where I said one of the skylights was at.....this is a tough crowd, LOL.

After the sun goes down each day I close all my colonial blinds, especially all in my front living room and all in my kitchen area&breakfast nook area, which with the lights off makes for a very dark front of my house, even tho I have a huge, brightly lit light which comes on at dusk not 50 feet from 4 of my main breakfast windows, its still very dark. Just saying they very easily could close their blinds or shades after the sun goes down, just as I do... Just saying we have no way of knowing, because the sky light looks as tho its not directly in kitchen, so I would assume we're attributing alot of the "lunar lumonsity"(nice use of words c.papa) of specifically the kitchen area to the windows of the kitchen&the nearby living room window also.

 

[jessigirl]

When you posted that yesterday, I had no idea what you were talking about. However when Aksleuth posted this:



I went to the transcripts and saw what you were referring to. I then went to Patty G's videos and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1QK6Zn6i9Q

As you said, NG and TN are bringing up the laundry on the floor bit, DESPITE LE saying, in more than one interview, that the door was only slightly ajar. NO ONE with LE said anything about the door being WIDE OPEN like RC and MC, although all referenced the cinderblock.

I believe the "laundry on the floor" angle is simply an added storyline made necessary by the fact of the self closing door not being considered in their original version.

This is bolstered by the fact that when the alleged abductor came in through the inner door, his act of opening the door inward would have swept the clothes out of the way of the door's closing action. You can't have it both ways.

Above part of the statement BBM. This video disproves that statement and further does in fact show that when opening a door that unobstructed closes on its own, but when opened into(as in push open rather than pull open), as was the door into the mh. When the door comes in contact with even a small amount of laundry on the floor that infact does PROHIBIT THE DOOR FROM CLOSING. the door does not sweep away even this quite small amount of laundry, the laundry continues to obstruct the door therefore leaving the door open or at the very least atleast ajar and NOT FULLY CLOSED as it was. Here's youtube video demonstrating this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYC96eYU0M0

 

[Concerned Papa]

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Above part of the statement BBM. This video disproves that statement and further does in fact show that when opening a door that unobstructed closes on its own, but when opened into(as in push open rather than pull open), as was the door into the mh. When the door comes in contact with even a small amount of laundry on the floor that infact does PROHIBIT THE DOOR FROM CLOSING. the door does not sweep away even this quite small amount of laundry, the laundry continues to obstruct the door therefore leaving the door open or at the very least atleast ajar and NOT FULLY CLOSED as it was. Here's youtube video demonstrating this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYC96eYU0M0

Nooooo, I would say the door in this 15 second video, made and posted earlier this morning (5/13/10), is WIDE OPEN, LOL.

At what point exactly does this video "prove" that the door even closes on it's own? Are we supposed to take the verbiage from the video's description "It is a door that unobstructed closes on it's own." as factual simply because the author SAYS so? That key element of credibility seems to have been overlooked.

Irregardless of this video and it's merits or lack thereof, numerous statements from different LE officials have described the position of the back door::

A back door was ajar, sheriff’s Capt. Steve Rose said.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...haleigh-putnam-county-sheriff-ronald-cummings

The main door was slightly ajar, but authorities found no obvious signs of forced entry.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-13/news/missing13_1_haleigh-croslin-ronald-cummings

Detective Gary Bowling stated (4:37 minute mark):

No, we have had a lot of questions about the forced entry into the residence. The back door was ajar. There is a screen door and a back door, the screen door was propped open and the back door was blowing in the breeze so to speak. The natural position of the back door is to fall to about 6” closed and that’s how the door was found.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18693468/index./index.html

To further clarify, the definition of "ajar" is:

1. ajar

-slightly open, "the door was ajar"

http://www.definitions.net/definition/ajar

Major Bowling said "The natural position of the back door is to fall to about 6” closed and that’s how the door was found". That's how it was found because there was no "laundry on the floor" in the path of the door's natural path of travel. All the suggestions and "maybes" in the world from Teresa Neves and Nancy Grace can't change that.

You can't see a cinderblock placed at the outer hinge side of a door that is only slightly open, irregardless of the statements of Ronald and Misty.

 

[SoSueMe]

After the sun goes down each day I close all my colonial blinds, especially all in my front living room and all in my kitchen area&breakfast nook area, which with the lights off makes for a very dark front of my house, even tho I have a huge, brightly lit light which comes on at dusk not 50 feet from 4 of my main breakfast windows, its still very dark. Just saying they very easily could close their blinds or shades after the sun goes down, just as I do... Just saying we have no way of knowing, because the sky light looks as tho its not directly in kitchen, so I would assume we're attributing alot of the "lunar lumonsity"(nice use of words c.papa) of specifically the kitchen area to the windows of the kitchen&the nearby living room window also.

Let's not forget the "lunar luminosity" that must have been in the bedroom since the blankets from the windows were taken down and used on the beds.

Hey Concerned Papa, I like the phrase "lunar luminosity" and I for one, was duly impressed. LOL

 

[SoSueMe]

The way this article reads, there was a woman asleep who was woken by Ron and a babysitter/girlfriend already up. Is this just a quickly thrown together article, not well-researched or does it mean that in the very beginning there was a belief that another woman was there? If so, who stated that a woman was asleep and who stated that Misty was already up?

There was a lot of confusion in the first news articles about this case. I don't think many realized that the 17 year old Misty was the girlfriend/babysitter. Some called her a cousin and I believe some thought she was one of the children.

At first I was infuriated with the reporting, but the more I read, I realized that none of the players seemed to be giving any straight answers.

 

[SoSueMe]

Ron's alibi was the easiest to verify since he was working at the time. In 15 months not one soul that worked with him at the bridge building company has come out and refuted his alibi.


IMOO

[Snipped]

Actually, there was someone to refute Ron's alibi. Supposedly, they prepared an affidavit and presented the information to LE. I can't quote the information here, but you will find it in the old Rumor threads of this case in the Parking Lot.

 

[aoibhinn]

Take another look. The skylight is nowhere near the rear hallway. It appears to be about halfway between the double living room windows and the kitchen window.

doobiedoo52 is correct. The skylight is in the kitchen making the point of my post even more relevant. With the moonlight that night, an abductor would not have needed to turn on the kitchen light.

Dang, I drag out my big new words of "lunar luminosity" and all anyone wants to do is pick on EXACTLY where I said one of the skylights was at.....this is a tough crowd, LOL.

Apologies Papa, you are correct. The skylight is over the kitchen. I misread the plan. I thought that entire space behind the main bedroom was a hallway/utility, and that the living/kitchen were a combined space.

 

[bessie]

[Snipped]

Actually, there was someone to refute Ron's alibi. Supposedly, they prepared an affidavit and presented the information to LE. I can't quote the information here, but you will find it in the old Rumor threads of this case in the Parking Lot.

It's okay to post a link to downstairs, but not quotes. I confirmed that with a mod just the other day.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Regarding the last sentence, do you happen to know who said this. The rest of it is from cummings himself or his mother's bio she gave to the press one time and is self-serving...I want to hear from locals who live there and are not related to the cummings.

No I don't Whisperer. Reporters do not give the names of their inside sources.

Not all of the article was given by Ron or his mother.

It would not be hard at all for the reporter to contact someone that works at PDM to obtain the information on the video footage showing that Ron worked his shift that night and not ONE person has ever come out and said he didn't either.

PDM is a large bridge building company and on their yard they have millions of dollars worth of heavy duty equipment and a multitude of other expensive equipment. It only makes logical sense that they would have cameras installed in various places on their site for security reasons.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

[Snipped]

Actually, there was someone to refute Ron's alibi. Supposedly, they prepared an affidavit and presented the information to LE. I can't quote the information here, but you will find it in the old Rumor threads of this case in the Parking Lot.

Unless that becomes official I have to take it as just a rumor because so many rumors are swirling around on this case. I would also have to consider who this person is if they exist at all and what their own personal agenda may have been.

If Tricia will not let it become a part of the Haleigh Cummings board that tells me it has not been verified as being true.

If this supposed person was credible then LE would not have said they are satisfied with Ron's work alibi.



IMO

 

[elle1919]

No I don't Whisperer. Reporters do not give the names of their inside sources.

Not all of the article was given by Ron or his mother.

It would not be hard at all for the reporter to contact someone that works at PDM to obtain the information on the video footage showing that Ron worked his shift that night and not ONE person has ever come out and said he didn't either.

PDM is a large bridge building company and on their yard they have millions of dollars worth of heavy duty equipment and a multitude of other expensive equipment. It only makes logical sense that they would have cameras installed in various places on their site for security reasons.

IMO

If RC wasn't at work when Haleigh was missing , I personally think everyone in the world would know it and we would have an entirely different case!