General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Emeralgem]

Does anyone think TiC, CC , JO and Misty are responsible? If so, I would love to hear your theory!

In reference to being responsible, No, I do not believe they are responsible for Haleigh's death..I don't believe ToC is either...Could they all be involved in helping with clean up, and misleading LE for over a year now? I suspect the answer to that question is.... most probably...

 

[Baznme]

In reference to being responsible, No, I do not believe they are responsible for Haleigh's death..I don't believe ToC is either...Could they all be involved in helping with clean up, and misleading LE for over a year now? I suspect the answer to that question is.... most probably...

ITA - this latest story from Tommy that Haleigh took one of Ron's pills and died in the trailer.......then was led into answering with a Yep to GGH's question "was it Joe"? I don't buy it. I think if she had let him keep up the talking, there would have been a different answer. Nothing else makes sense. If she died in the trailer, what reason would Joe have wanted to take Haleigh? GGH is chomping at the bit to take the focus off MC and TC. She has made no bones about it that she's not crazy about her grandson Joe.

There was definitely a coverup but for who? Joe? I doubt it. Tommy? Doesn't make sense that he or Misty wouldn't have just called the police and reported it like most people do. If it were child negligence because there were pills laying around in that house, who did they belong to? At this stage, we already know RC chews these things like candy and it was afterall, his home so that makes sense that there was a panic that RC would lose not only one child but both due to the illegal activity going on in his home and left with a 17 yr. old babysitter to add to the irresponsibility shown on his part. He already had a history with DCF so they would be the first ones knocking on the door. RC, MC and TC knew they just couldn't stop taking their pills so that was a big factor also.

If it was staged to look like an abduction, there would be a diversion to investigate from the start and would give RC all the room he needed to pull this off. That's the only thing that makes sense to me IMO

Who? RC, TC, MC, Joe?
What? Alleged Abduction, now named a "homicide".
Where? The mobile home (scene of the crime).
When? 2/9/09.
Why? Accident and followed by a coverup to another crime.

 

[Wendy101]

BBM: Ron doesn't look like a "druggie" to me. I think he did do drugs, but, not enough that his physical appearance would deline.
There is only one person in this case that has the appearance of a "druggie" and that is his ex-mother inlaw.
I believe that Ron was involved in sale of drugs for money purposes and the occasional high.

ITA - this latest story from Tommy that Haleigh took one of Ron's pills and died in the trailer.......then was led into answering with a Yep to GGH's question "was it Joe"? I don't buy it. I think if she had let him keep up the talking, there would have been a different answer. Nothing else makes sense. If she died in the trailer, what reason would Joe have wanted to take Haleigh? GGH is chomping at the bit to take the focus off MC and TC. She has made no bones about it that she's not crazy about her grandson Joe.

There was definitely a coverup but for who? Joe? I doubt it. Tommy? Doesn't make sense that he or Misty wouldn't have just called the police and reported it like most people do. If it were child negligence because there were pills laying around in that house, who did they belong to? At this stage, we already know RC chews these things like candy and it was afterall, his home so that makes sense that there was a panic that RC would lose not only one child but both due to the illegal activity going on in his home and left with a 17 yr. old babysitter to add to the irresponsibility shown on his part. He already had a history with DCF so they would be the first ones knocking on the door. RC, MC and TC knew they just couldn't stop taking their pills so that was a big factor also.

If it was staged to look like an abduction, there would be a diversion to investigate from the start and would give RC all the room he needed to pull this off. That's the only thing that makes sense to me IMO

Who? RC, TC, MC, Joe?
What? Alleged Abduction, now named a "homicide".
Where? The mobile home (scene of the crime).
When? 2/9/09.
Why? Accident and followed by a coverup to another crime.

 

[aoibhinn]

Lanie, I hope you don't mind me copying over your theory to this thread. I was working on a theory and reading yours helped me to join the dots.

I can see that Ron's been covering up something and there is a lot of what seems like obvious guilt in his demeanour. I was thinking that there is maybe a bigger story behind Ron's involvement with JO, something that neither we nor LE are privy to. Much more than the run-in over the stolen gun. Ron could have publicly ruled out JO so they would not get close to the truth. He's been very emphatic in his denials, almost too much so.

I can't see Ron being a big-time drug dealer. A narc, quite possibly, yes. However, there is yet another potential connection. Is there any chance that Ron worked for big dealers as a drug mule? Carrying quantities of drugs from big dealers to middlemen or retrieving a large consignment from it's hiding place. The big dealers do not transport their wares, they pay someone to do it for them. What if a medium/large consignment of drugs went 'missing' while in his care? Or Ron stole drugs from where they had been set off-side? Ron would be responsible for their reimbursement, especially if they felt that he appropriated them for himself. He has said himself that his residence was known only to very few people. Was he trying to avoid someone? His rap sheet says a lot to me as well. Since 2002 he has been caught with nearly every drug under the sun. This is not normal, even for a drug addict. However, it's likely that a mule might deliver supplies to middlemen.

So how does JO fit into this? What if his trip to Florida was as a mule himself, to pick up a consignment from Ron's suppliers for transport up to Tennessee? What if Joe paid Ron a lot of money to get him drugs and Ron came up short or ripped him off? Ron is looking for money/drugs to replace those that he owes to the dealers. JO is an easy target and his 'bosses' are far away. JO cannot possibly go back to Tennesse empty-handed or he will be in big trouble.

When Ron is at work Misty sets up the fake robbery, putting the block against the back door. They're supposed to turn up Ron's gun/his stash of drugs/money. Tommy's involvement is maybe to get free drugs for himself. Somehow, that night in the MH, a search fails to turn up Ron's stash. And that's where everything begins to go wrong. Maybe a plan evolves to hold Haleigh hostage to make Ron come up with what he owes JO and fast. They plan to hide her and drug her to keep her quiet but give her too much. The bouncing couch is CPR.

I have thought for a long time that a double cross was involved. That Misty told a story to Ron that implicated him. Misty could have told Ron that the gang he owes came that night to collect their dues.

The only real thing that makes me suspect JO is Ron's complete and utter public denial of his involvement, when he would be the natural scapegoat. I find this to be very suspicious. But you could substitute another dealer for JO, someone who would pay Tommy and Misty for their help in setting this up, all the while leaving Ron to think it was the big boys who came over that night. In any case, Tommy would be the weak link in Ron's eyes, hence the rat in the mailbox.

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Another thought. If Ron makes his money through illegal means, you can bet he doesn't keep it in the bank. He probably stashes it somewhere in or around the house. If a staged robbery was the motive, it might have been worthwhile for Misty to set it up.

In my 'Ron NOT involved' theory, based on previous drug arrests and statements made by some of the players involved regarding Ron and drugs, I think Ron ripped off/narced out some big time drug people. When Ron found out Haleigh was gone, I think he was sure her abduction was related to that. I think Misty either had foreknowledge of what had happened, or he jumped to that conclusion out loud, but I think Misty used that information to her advantage to lead Ron on to think that is exactly what happened. To me, anyway, this explains why Ron never seemed to look too hard at Misty and what role she may have played, as he was too busy with his own scenario and trying to do damage control. I think, at least at the beginning, Ron was hopeful Haleigh was still alive and he could work out a way to get her back, which ties in, IMO, to his going off on this video repeatedly of how he is not wanting revenge, he just wants his daughter back.

 

[Baznme]

BBM: Ron doesn't look like a "druggie" to me. I think he did do drugs, but, not enough that his physical appearance would deline.
There is only one person in this case that has the appearance of a "druggie" and that is his ex-mother inlaw.
I believe that Ron was involved in sale of drugs for money purposes and the occasional high.

Go back and take a look at the videos of RC in the early days and also take a look at the more recent ones of him since he's been in jail off drugs. There's a world of difference in his physical appearance and there was in comparison what I would consider "decline". There's also the video of him in the back seat of the car participating in the drug deal slipping a couple in his mouth. Now there's word that Haleigh got hold of one of Ron's pills and died, (coming from Tommy in the convo with GGH). I wouldn't call that "occasional".

 

[Jax49]

Go back and take a look at the videos of RC in the early days and also take a look at the more recent ones of him since he's been in jail off drugs. There's a world of difference in his physical appearance and there was in comparison what I would consider "decline". There's also the video of him in the back seat of the car participating in the drug deal slipping a couple in his mouth. Now there's word that Haleigh got hold of one of Ron's pills and died, (coming from Tommy in the convo with GGH). I wouldn't call that "occasional".

Confused here (my natural state).

I thought GGH told Tommy that she had heard the 'Haleigh took one of Ron's pills and died' story, and then Tommy responded that it was BS.

 

[Baznme]

Confused here (my natural state).

I thought GGH told Tommy that she had heard the 'Haleigh took one of Ron's pills and died' story, and then Tommy responded that it was BS.

And yet............on JVM right now, Tommy's attorney is saying that Misty's and Tommy's statements are "consistent". So, who knows what's not a lie.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Confused here (my natural state).

I thought GGH told Tommy that she had heard the 'Haleigh took one of Ron's pills and died' story, and then Tommy responded that it was BS.

You are correct. He told her that was BS!

I think Tommy has come full circle and is telling the truth now.

IMO

 

[Baznme]

You are correct. He told her that was BS!

I think Tommy has come full circle and is telling the truth now.

IMO

You most certainly could be right.......as a matter of fact, I hope you are! I hope we can finally find out where Haleigh was placed and put an end to the nightmare. This case is enough to turn anyone into a babbling idiot.

 

[dodie20]

I'm going with a new theory & gonna see how it feels. Ronald really didn't play a part in Haleigh's death, but after the fact, decided to cover for himself & Misty-despicable, I know, but it happens. Ron's not stupid. He knew who was likely in that house. He knew about the problems HE created with that gun. In this theory, Misty didn't hurt Haleigh, & probably really was scared & hiding under the covers. Joe & Tommy came for the gun, couldn't find it, knocked around a double crossing Misty, maybe raped her, & then in a drug fueled sex frenzy, went after Haleigh. I think Tommy is equally culpable, & it was those 2, (maybe more), against Misty. That would explain her fear. Also, in the LVA? she showed a real disgust towards Tommy. It was either because of his involvement, or his , unwillingness to help her or Haleigh. I'm gonna think about this one for awhile.

 

[seeking truth]

I look at the big picture too and I don't believe that RCs abused Crystal. If he had, just like so many other women who are vying for custody of their children that would have been the first words out of Crystal's mouth to the Judge and she never even mentioned it until the media started giving her attention. And well...I wouldn't believe what a Croslin has to say if I saw their tongues being notarized for myself.

I look at this very logically without all the fanfare.

No one has come out and said that RCs wasnt at work during his entire shift that day. LE would not say they are satisfied with his work alibi if he had left for any reason. Therefore it is very logical that he DID work his entire shift. He even ate there. It just fits with all the sightings of Haleigh before Ron went to work and the witnesses who saw Haleigh after he went to work.

It is very reasonable to believe that a bridge building company would have several surveillance cameras set up for security. I worked for a large bridge building company for over 20 years and even way back in the 90s we had security cameras set up all over the yard.

I beg to differ........Ron Cummings verified alibi will never be irrelevant in Haleigh's case.

IMO

This post addresses the following words by oceanblueeyes:

"I don't believe that RCs abused Crystal." (oceanblueeyes)

I am so sad to see the defense of an accused abuser being one of an absence of something; such as a victim's silence. Crystal's father wrote an affidavit attesting to abuse during the custody proceedings; why should any of us doubt it? Crystal has spoken to it. Crystal is unusually honest; just read the entire court transcripts.

The dynamics of domestic violence cannot be understood by those who don't care to HEAR, or who have not experienced it. All it takes is some empathy.

My feelings and opinion on what I believe to be a very relevant subject regarding HaLeigh and what happened to her on February 9th or 10th, 2009.

 

[dodie20]

I'm going with a new theory & gonna see how it feels. Ronald really didn't play a part in Haleigh's death, but after the fact, decided to cover for himself & Misty-despicable, I know, but it happens. Ron's not stupid. He knew who was likely in that house. He knew about the problems HE created with that gun. In this theory, Misty didn't hurt Haleigh, & probably really was scared & hiding under the covers. Joe & Tommy came for the gun, couldn't find it, knocked around a double crossing Misty, maybe raped her, & then in a drug fueled sex frenzy, went after Haleigh. I think Tommy is equally culpable, & it was those 2, (maybe more), against Misty. That would explain her fear. Also, in the LVA? she showed a real disgust towards Tommy. It was either because of his involvement, or his , unwillingness to help her or Haleigh. I'm gonna think about this one for awhile.

after thinking about this, I'm not sure. I think I'm trying too hard to make Tommy's & Misty's stories fit. Why wouldn't she just rat out Tommy too? & there's no way I can believe that Joe overpowered both misty & tommy, while assaulting &/or killing Haleigh. unless Tommy's spin about Haleigh dieing @ the trailer is a lie. If she died somewhere else, then she was taken out alive, & Tommy was there & really did nothing to stop a murder.

 

[Justin Tyme]

I'm going with a new theory & gonna see how it feels. Ronald really didn't play a part in Haleigh's death, but after the fact, decided to cover for himself & Misty-despicable, I know, but it happens. Ron's not stupid. He knew who was likely in that house. He knew about the problems HE created with that gun. In this theory, Misty didn't hurt Haleigh, & probably really was scared & hiding under the covers. Joe & Tommy came for the gun, couldn't find it, knocked around a double crossing Misty, maybe raped her, & then in a drug fueled sex frenzy, went after Haleigh. I think Tommy is equally culpable, & it was those 2, (maybe more), against Misty. That would explain her fear. Also, in the LVA? she showed a real disgust towards Tommy. It was either because of his involvement, or his , unwillingness to help her or Haleigh. I'm gonna think about this one for awhile.

Dodie - Have you seen the video of MC after RC proposed to her? She's happily smiling at ToC when he passes her and she shoves her left hand with her new ring on his chest? She wasn't scared or disgusted by his presence, she happily touches his chest. But then look at ToC when she does this. He appears to be disgusted with her. If someone beat me or raped me or threatened my life I'd be no where near them. I'd run and hide, not smile in their face or touch them. And if she was so scared of JO why did she go to Tenn with the possibility of running into them by myself.

I hope that I don't get sent to time-out.

 

[aoibhinn]

OMG I just had a thought. Remember how Jr said he remembered a man with squeaky shoes in the trailer? Did Lindsy not throw away Tommy's nearly new workboots the next day? I wonder were they squeaky.

I know Tommy has placed himself at the MH, but what does this say about Lindsy?

 

[Trident]

I have a new theory. We've all heard the rumor that RC ripped off a drug dealer, right? Suppose that drug dealer was JO bringing drugs from Tennessee. Bear with me. Suppose JO had been promised a gun in exchange for these drugs. Suppose said gun was not in the MH when JO was supposed to pick it up. Would that make JO mad enough to kill or kidnap Haleigh?

Now, if he did kill Haleigh in a rage at giving up the drugs and not getting the gun, could he have had a different gun (pistol) with him and he used that to intimidate MC and ToC? I believe that might explain why RC denied JO had been at the MH, or the fact that there was any fight between them.

The only thing I can't figure is why ToC would be talking NOW when his children could still be in danger - unless, LC has them hidden away, which is possible.

Theory and conjecture only

 

[Lanie]

Lanie, I hope you don't mind me copying over your theory to this thread. I was working on a theory and reading yours helped me to join the dots.

Respectfully snipped.

Not at all. Glad I could be of assistance. :blushing:

I'll flesh my theory out since this is the theory thread. Everything I post here is MOO, and I am taking some liberties with what I think is true, seeing as most of what is out there is not what I would consider reliably verified.

I do believe Ron abused Crystal, and his other baby mama, and also Misty. I also think Haleigh was the apple of her daddy's eye, and he adored her. Misty is jealous of the attention Ron pays to Haleigh, but she takes care of her to keep Ron happy. Then Misty tells Ron she thinks she is pregnant. Ron beats her up. Misty leaves and goes on a 3-day party binge. Ron gets in contact with her, tells her he's sorry, baby, he still loves her, all is forgiven. Misty is still carrying a grudge, but agrees to come back.

Sometime not too far back from when all this happens, Ron has done something to somebody, for example, stole some drugs, or guns, or whatever, to someone unrelated to the main players in this case. Misty knows what happened.

That day, Ron goes to work, leaving Misty with the children. Tommy comes by with his kids, and he and Misty visit while the kids play. Misty tells Tommy what has gone on between her and Ron. Tommy wants some payback, and so does Misty. They make a plan, which includes JO, to steal some of Ron's stuff, his guns, his dope stash, whatever, while Ron is at work, and later, after the kids are asleep.

JO takes Timmy's van after they go to bed, gets Tommy, and they go to Misty's. I think they get wasted, and Misty is griping about Haleigh, and then either Haleigh wakes up or they actually go get her out of bed. Maybe they slap her around a little bit or something, and then realize she is going to tell Ron, and they get scared, and decide they have to kill her. So at least JO and Tommy take Haleigh to the river and throw her in, and yes, she may still have been alive at that point. They swear to each other to never reveal what happened. Tommy and JO leave.

Misty waits for Ron to get home, and she tells him the people he pizzed off came in the middle of the night and threatened to kill her and took Haleigh, and she would have fought, but they were threatening to kill Jr., too. She says they told her they are taking her to teach him a lesson, and will let him have her back soon. They make a quick agreement not to tell LE, then do the 911 call, but Ron is still angry at Misty and is cussing her. Sometime between then and the next day, I think Misty tells him they also raped her, just to guilt-trip him. Now he feels responsible for Haleigh, and for Misty.

At some point he relays this whole sordid mess to his mother and grandmother, and that is why they are so pro-Misty, too. When Misty fails LDT after LDT, to Ron it is because she is lying to protect Haleigh. When everyone is bashing Misty, he protects her, because he thinks he knows "the real story". He marries her because he feels guilty for what happened to her, but as time goes by, he starts to think Haleigh is dead and he's not going to get her back, and he loses his protectiveness towards her a little bit.

They get in a fight, Misty calls family, family comes, more fighting, family (Tommy) calls LE, Ron gets arrested, shortly after that Tommy gets a rat in his mailbox, relating to that incident, not Haleigh.

I think maybe, just maybe, in the past month or so, Ron finally realizes how badly he has been played.

Anyway, this is the only thing I could come up with that explains things the way I see them, so feel free to punch holes.

 

[Wendy101]

I pray that this is in the right thead ( I HATE time-out ..lol ) - I posted it here responding to Tommys confession.

I do not believe Tommy or Misty. To all stories told, I try to apply lil Jr's statement into it somewhere, as he is the only one I do believe.

IF Tommy is telling the truth now Jr's statements(the ones we know of) need to fit in there somewhere.

1. Man wearing black took his sissy.
2. Man has squeeky shoes
3. The couch was bouncing (he either heard this or seen it)

Maybe, was Misty having sex with Tommy, Joe or both? Maybe lil Haleigh woke up, since Jr heard squeeky shoes and the bounching couch, I am assuming Haleigh heard or seen the same things..
Lil Haliegh walked in on a huge family secret that she might have told her Daddy about.

Maybe this is the reason for the huge cover up? Why else would Misty say on TV that Tommy fooled around with her when she was little? He says ABSOLUTLEY nothing about that!! Neither does Lindsay!!
IF Misty killed Haleigh, who OWES her? Who does she have one up on.. Tommy ofcourse! So, Tommy does ANYTHING Misty tells him to.
I would love to see an astro chart done on Tommy and Misty's relationship!! I bet it won't be pretty.

As for Ronald, I have no idea what to think of him at the present time, however, I do not think he killed his child.
I am leaning towards he is "BLINDLY" inlove with Misty Croslin.

 

[cj1132]

I have good instincts and I can say that when I didn't listen to them, there were problems. It used to drive my daughter crazy because when she was lying about something, I seemed to know and even though she is 35 now, she still brings this up. Given that, my instincts say RC is involved.

 

[Wendy101]

BMM: Exactly what I think....

Lanie, I hope you don't mind me copying over your theory to this thread. I was working on a theory and reading yours helped me to join the dots.

Respectfully snipped.

Not at all. Glad I could be of assistance. :blushing:

I'll flesh my theory out since this is the theory thread. Everything I post here is MOO, and I am taking some liberties with what I think is true, seeing as most of what is out there is not what I would consider reliably verified.

I do believe Ron abused Crystal, and his other baby mama, and also Misty. I also think Haleigh was the apple of her daddy's eye, and he adored her. Misty is jealous of the attention Ron pays to Haleigh, but she takes care of her to keep Ron happy. Then Misty tells Ron she thinks she is pregnant. Ron beats her up. Misty leaves and goes on a 3-day party binge. Ron gets in contact with her, tells her he's sorry, baby, he still loves her, all is forgiven. Misty is still carrying a grudge, but agrees to come back.

Sometime not too far back from when all this happens, Ron has done something to somebody, for example, stole some drugs, or guns, or whatever, to someone unrelated to the main players in this case. Misty knows what happened.

That day, Ron goes to work, leaving Misty with the children. Tommy comes by with his kids, and he and Misty visit while the kids play. Misty tells Tommy what has gone on between her and Ron. Tommy wants some payback, and so does Misty. They make a plan, which includes JO, to steal some of Ron's stuff, his guns, his dope stash, whatever, while Ron is at work, and later, after the kids are asleep.

JO takes Timmy's van after they go to bed, gets Tommy, and they go to Misty's. I think they get wasted, and Misty is griping about Haleigh, and then either Haleigh wakes up or they actually go get her out of bed. Maybe they slap her around a little bit or something, and then realize she is going to tell Ron, and they get scared, and decide they have to kill her. So at least JO and Tommy take Haleigh to the river and throw her in, and yes, she may still have been alive at that point. They swear to each other to never reveal what happened. Tommy and JO leave.

Misty waits for Ron to get home, and she tells him the people he pizzed off came in the middle of the night and threatened to kill her and took Haleigh, and she would have fought, but they were threatening to kill Jr., too. She says they told her they are taking her to teach him a lesson, and will let him have her back soon. They make a quick agreement not to tell LE, then do the 911 call, but Ron is still angry at Misty and is cussing her. Sometime between then and the next day, I think Misty tells him they also raped her, just to guilt-trip him. Now he feels responsible for Haleigh, and for Misty.

At some point he relays this whole sordid mess to his mother and grandmother, and that is why they are so pro-Misty, too. When Misty fails LDT after LDT, to Ron it is because she is lying to protect Haleigh. When everyone is bashing Misty, he protects her, because he thinks he knows "the real story". He marries her because he feels guilty for what happened to her, but as time goes by, he starts to think Haleigh is dead and he's not going to get her back, and he loses his protectiveness towards her a little bit.

They get in a fight, Misty calls family, family comes, more fighting, family (Tommy) calls LE, Ron gets arrested, shortly after that Tommy gets a rat in his mailbox, relating to that incident, not Haleigh.

I think maybe, just maybe, in the past month or so, Ron finally realizes how badly he has been played.
Anyway, this is the only thing I could come up with that explains things the way I see them, so feel free to punch holes.

 

[Lanie]

I pray that this is in the right thead ( I HATE time-out ..lol ) - I posted it here responding to Tommys confession.

I do not believe Tommy or Misty. To all stories told, I try to apply lil Jr's statement into it somewhere, as he is the only one I do believe.

IF Tommy is telling the truth now Jr's statements(the ones we know of) need to fit in there somewhere.

1. Man wearing black took his sissy.
2. Man has squeeky shoes
3. The couch was bouncing (he either heard this or seen it)

Maybe, was Misty having sex with Tommy, Joe or both? Maybe lil Haleigh woke up, since Jr heard squeeky shoes and the bounching couch, I am assuming Haleigh heard or seen the same things..
Lil Haliegh walked in on a huge family secret that she might have told her Daddy about.

Maybe this is the reason for the huge cover up? Why else would Misty say on TV that Tommy fooled around with her when she was little? He says ABSOLUTLEY nothing about that!! Neither does Lindsay!!
IF Misty killed Haleigh, who OWES her? Who does she have one up on.. Tommy ofcourse! So, Tommy does ANYTHING Misty tells him to.
I would love to see an astro chart done on Tommy and Misty's relationship!! I bet it won't be pretty.

As for Ronald, I have no idea what to think of him at the present time, however, I do not think he killed his child.
I am leaning towards he is "BLINDLY" inlove with Misty Croslin.

BBM

Your motive theory is way better than mine.