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IMO, the stolen gun story is important because that may be how they got Joe and/or Tommy to help or the Croslins to keep quiet.

The gun that was found in the culvert with dirt so Ron had to clean it. Then that "clean" gun was given to LE. I think that gun had fingerprints on it, Joe's and/or Tommy's or maybe others. I think Ron was happy it was stolen because it now could be tied to someone else. I think that gun was used previously in a shooting and the perfect way to blackmail people to help.

I don't think the "clean" gun that LE has is the same stolen gun. I don't think "clean" meant the gun was cleaned because of dirt from the culvert. I think "clean" stands for "clean" never used in a shooting. I think Ron still has the gun with the fingerprints on it. I think that is why Ron originally denied that any of his guns was stolen. Because he did not have a "clean" gun to give LE in place of the gun with the fingerprints. I think somehow Ron got a clean gun so he could admit a gun was stolen.

Again, just my opinion but that gun seems to be one of the consistent stories.

Speaking of the gun in the culvert again. Awhile back I was looking for something and I finally found it today. I was looking for confirmation from someone other than Misty and RC about the gun in the culvert. Here we have the article from Art Harris explaining how he watched as Lisa TOMMY and Lyndsy gave Cobra a tour of their yard (:waitasec:).....and showed him where JOE put the gun that Joe stole from RC....

snip~While police say there’s no evidence he had anything to do with Haleigh gone missing, Cousin Joe, whose mother tells me was questioned twice by police about the case in the last two weeks, became the Florida Croslin family’s prime suspect; months ago, I watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give private investigator Williams Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald; Joe declined to comment.~ snip
 
Chelsea doesn't seem quite as inconsistent as Lindsay and Misty, but some of her statements don't make sense. She does not seem afraid of Joe at all, and Timmy being all doped up on Rx pain meds yet up at 1:00 am doesn't fit. I'm beginning to wonder if they all went somewhere that night and left all the kids home alone. Why would both sister in laws do so much covering while trying to accuse some cousin.
BBM
My #2 theory has ron following chelsea, her kids, misty and Haleigh from the bus. Jerry Santos (iirc) said lindsey came by the bus stop w/ a male in her car and spoke to chelsea's car, so lindseys in the mix at that time. I think they may have all headed to the sr. croslins place, where maybe one of them would babysit(hopefully not leaving the kids alone, but you never know) so that the rest of group maybe goes to visit the sr.in the hospital. Could be ron's fighting w/ misty and jo is there cause he's getting ready to go home and he was staying there. chelsea has been close w/ misty for along time, I don't think she'd have a problem jumping in for misty. Then maybe timmy & tommy. The young kids would be all hanging out together running around. There's alot of property around that mh. If the kids heard arguing, my bet is they'd come to see what was going on. This is where possibly Haleigh got hurt and thats why they are all covering because they don't know how she was hurt or maybe they do and she was shot by someones gun but they dont know whose.?
 
http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/15/ng.01.html

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Well, it`s good to see you.

TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: It`s good to see you, sweetheart.

CUMMINGS: Sucks it`s like this.

NEVES: Yes, it does. I hate it.

CUMMINGS: I`ll be OK.

NEVES: Promise?

CUMMINGS: Yes, I`ll be home soon.

NEVES: Promise?

CUMMINGS: I don`t want to make a promise I can`t keep but.

NEVES: Don`t you have something to tell me?

CUMMINGS: Huh?

NEVES: Don`t you have something to tell me?

CUMMINGS: That I love you?

NEVES: No --

(LAUGHTER)

CUMMINGS: What?

NEVES: I don`t know. You said you had something to tell us.

CUMMINGS: No. Not really. I really don`t --

NEVES: Think she`s going to talk? Do you think she`s going to talk?

CUMMINGS: Well, this is between me and you, and whoever is listening to our recording, but, you know, they shouldn`t -- the cops are not just going to run out and tell nobody. If they do then they`re going to have the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) FDLE to deal with.

Anyway, so after that maybe they`ll do that recording, and the reason why they done it is because they went to the jail and was talking to her, and Jason said, man, I`ve never seen her cry. Real tears, you know, she always -- you know, has to jerk a tear out.

Jason said no, man, this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) was like pouring, and you know when it started? And I said when? He said when we started talking about you. Being locked up. And losing Junior.

He said she didn`t give two (EXPLETIVE DELETED) about her brother, her mama, her daddy, nobody. When I talked about you, being locked up, she started pouring them. And they were real. So.

He said and she said -- she was so proud to show everybody her tattoo, see, it says Ronald Sr.


NEVES: They made a big deal about that on all the TVs and everything. I said you got Misty in that cell over there which nobody else would do.

CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.

NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just -- I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody tell you that I`m not.

CUMMINGS: Well, the way I see it, I already told you.

NEVES: Yes, I know.

CUMMINGS: If one of the two of them, the whole time we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, then they got it pinned in a corner now because Crystal could wait six or eight months, she just pops up over here or wherever in Texas and move to Montana, whatever. You know and -- or the worst, so, either way we`ll know.

NEVES: Well, you just hang in there, baby. What are crying for, sweetheart?

CUMMINGS: Because I wish I knew where my daughter was.

NEVES: I know, honey. But we`ll find her. You know? One way or the other, like you said, one of them is going to mess up, so we`re going to find her.

*****************
I find this call very interesting.

IMO, TN seems to be trying to get Ron to tell her something but Ron is clueless. Then she asks Ron if he thinks Misty will talk. At first I thought that was suspicious. But then I realized it was a CLUE to remind Ron what he needed to tell her.

Ron once again missed what TN is trying to get him to say. He seems to think TN is worried Misty will talk. So he AGAIN makes sure to let LE know that he knows he is being recorded and does not care. IMO, another attempted "I'm innocent so I have nothing to hide and am proving it with this story."

Ron tells how Misty is still so in love with him that she not only cried but cried real tears for him while not caring about her own family. Ron did not want to say no so he tells a story to show that Misty is still in love with him. IMO, "No she is not going to talk because she loves me."

When Ron is done with that story, TN gives him the clue to get the story out that they want out. TN first makes a comment about the story Ron just told then gives him the clue "I said YOU got Misty in that cell over there which no one else could do."

Ron starts getting it and repeats what she said because he has not figured out what to say yet. TN tells him that she is proud of him suggesting she is proud that he was willing to go to jail to get the truth about Haleigh.

Then Ron now remembering the story they want to keep out there says it is either Misty or Crystal, Haleigh's mother, who are responsible for Haleigh being gone.

Then another prompt from TN "why you are crying" because she knows Ron's tears will be discussed and knows Ron has forgot to talk about the most important think...his daughter. Ron realizes cry for Haleigh so knows what his response should be and finally mentions he is upset "because I wish i knew where my daughter was."

IMO, it was obvious that TN "scripted" that conversation for Ron. Every piece of bait she threw, he caught too quickly for two innocent people who have not had tons of experience at getting their story out. Ron trusts his Mother completely to not only have his back but save his behind by letting her run the show.

IMO, it is scary to think of how they became so efficient at it.
 
I don't understand why so many seem to think that nearly every conversation is some type of conspiracy and spoken in code??:waitasec: These ppl are not government trained spies, NOT ANYTHING EVEN NEAR. Most are uneducated or barely educated and do not have much common sense either. I believe that LE knows exactly who is responsible and who is involved but the one thing that these ppl did correctly(and I only mean that in terms of correctly getting rid of evidence) and that is by sadly disposing of lil precious Haleigh to gator infested water. That is LE problem in bringing this case to a close, complete lack of evidence and no body or remains. Therefore they are having to build a completely circumstantial case with the main evidence gone FOREVER. But as far as these conversations these ppl are not using any code language and when this is finally brought to a close I think it will be seen that there is no grand conspiracy here, only a couple of uneducated, selfish, addicted ppl that are desperately trying to keep from having to implicate themselves. I know that ppl want to look at all angles possible of this case but again when charges are brought and thanks to that GREAT Sunshine Law all evidence will be for everyone to see,it will be very apparent that SO MANY aspects have been way over thought&made much more complex than they ever really were.... MOO
 
BBM
My #2 theory has ron following chelsea, her kids, misty and Haleigh from the bus. Jerry Santos (iirc) said lindsey came by the bus stop w/ a male in her car and spoke to chelsea's car, so lindseys in the mix at that time. I think they may have all headed to the sr. croslins place, where maybe one of them would babysit(hopefully not leaving the kids alone, but you never know) so that the rest of group maybe goes to visit the sr.in the hospital. Could be ron's fighting w/ misty and jo is there cause he's getting ready to go home and he was staying there. chelsea has been close w/ misty for along time, I don't think she'd have a problem jumping in for misty. Then maybe timmy & tommy. The young kids would be all hanging out together running around. There's alot of property around that mh. If the kids heard arguing, my bet is they'd come to see what was going on. This is where possibly Haleigh got hurt and thats why they are all covering because they don't know how she was hurt or maybe they do and she was shot by someones gun but they dont know whose.?

I'm sorry if this is off topic Gran but I think this comment is important. Chelsea HAD NO CAR at the time. She had to have been using the van and not Misty. One of RC's tapes to Cobra said neither he or Misty were allowed to drive that van and I believe it's true because Misty had no license.
 
I have spent some time going back to earlier interviews to keep me busy and found several that caught my attention. Here is one where Ronald says "HIS" cousin came over that night, TN says that GGMS and Cousin Joe came over, Ron talks about how he changed the three locks in the MH so that something like this wouldn't happen. Speaking of the kidnapping, there is mention of the door in the bedroom being open and the kitchen light being on, that didn't make sense then and still doesn't make sense, and a bit more.

Cummings Girlfriend Not Ruled Out as Suspect in Haleigh Disappearance
"Snip"
Aired March 16, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

GRACE:Ronald, as I see it, there are three main inconsistencies in Misty Croslin -- now Cummings -- statement. Number one, when she called police. Number two, why she went to a bathroom far away from where Haleigh was, as opposed to the one right there in the master bedroom. And possibly most significantly, an alleged inconsistency about where she was sleeping and where Haleigh was sleeping the night she was kidnapped.

Let`s take that one off the top. What did Misty tell you that night - - not later, but that night -- about where Haleigh was sleeping?

RONALD CUMMINGS: She told me that she was sleeping in the -- her and Junior were sleeping in my queen-size bed and that she was sleeping in the tot bed beside her.

RONALD CUMMINGS: Three or four feet from her...

GRACE: Ronald, how did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed, Misty, Junior, your son, and Haleigh? How did that happen? How was that miscommunicated?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Ms. Nancy, I have no -- no answer for you. I don`t know how it was miscommunicated.

GRACE: Is that what she told police, Ronald? Did she tell police at any time that she was in the bed with little Haleigh?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I wasn`t there when she was questioned by police, Ms. Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Here`s the next question. Why didn`t she call cops immediately when she realized Haleigh was missing? Explain to us the timeline. What happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.

GRACE: has she explained it to you why she didn`t go to the restroom in the middle of night right there in the bedroom`s attached bathroom? It`s kind of all one big, huge master bedroom. Why would she choose to crosses kitchen and go to a different bathroom?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Ms. Nancy. I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Something has been bothering me. If the story`s true that Misty was out partying and left the kids home alone, it`s possible Misty put the cement block by the back door so she could slip quietly back inside the house and not wake up the kids, but someone else could have gotten inside the house and took Haleigh before Misty got home.

GRACE: To Ronald Cummings, has the theory that Misty left the home some time during the night been disproved?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I`m not sure. I believe that it has, Nancy. I`m almost 100 percent sure, but I wouldn`t say that and lie to you. I`m pretty sure it has been disproved.

GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.

GRACE: Ronald, one thing I want to clear up. I still don`t understand why she didn`t call 911 the minute she realized Haleigh was gone.


RONALD CUMMINGS: I think she was still looking to make sure that Haleigh -- she wasn`t going to make a false 911 call. She was making sure that Haleigh was not, you know, up in the bathroom or in a..... got up and moved up to another room or whatever. You know, I think she was just being sure that...

GRACE: So when you pull up -- when you pull up, she`s still looking?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.


RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO: And you have to remember, that she -- when she got up to go to the bathroom, she saw that the kitchen light was on. The kitchen is over this way. So that means she would have had to have gotten up and gone out this door and then have noticed.


NANCY GRACE: Ronald, I see you shaking your head, no, no, no. Why? Do you disagree?

CUMMINGS: Because we can go in that house right now where they -- we can go in -- yes, absolutely. I disagree. We can go in that house right now with a camera and turn that kitchen that light on. And from the bedroom you can see it. It don`t matter if you go to the bathroom that`s across the house or the one that`s in that bedroom. You can see that the kitchen light is on. It shines. It`s black in the house.

GRACE: You know I`m interested to hear that because when Marlaina was -- and Teresa Neves was giving us access to the home, I asked specifically was the bedroom door open. Do you sleep with the bedroom door open and they responded yes.

CUMMINGS: Always.


CALLER LILI:mine is more of a statement. Have they checked out the person that rented the trailer before? Because they would know where the cinder block is. They might even have a key to the deadbolt. They know where the light is and the switch to the light of the kitchen.

GRACE: To Ronald Cummings. Ronald, isn`t the previous owner the reverend?

CUMMINGS: As I believe it is the reverend`s mother and father.But I do know that I personally went to Wal-Mart and bought the deadbolts and the locks that were on there so nobody else had a key to this house.
GRACE: the former owner placed a lock on that back door but you also placed locks as well, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am, they were there. I took them off and put my own on.


CUMMINGS: I don`t want nobody to have keys in my house because I didn`t want this to happen.

GRACE: To Barbara in Massachusetts,.

BARBARA, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Misty said there were three men there that night. I think it was a nephew, cousin, a -- an air-conditioning repairman.
But anyway, any one of them could have unlocked that deadbolt, slipped her a sedative and left the house and come back later and gone in and gotten the child. I think it`s someone that knew them. I think it had to be someone who was there in the house that night.

And I`ve called the tip line and I`ve talked to detectives. This is how disturbed I am for this little girl. :waitasec:

GRACE: Let`s go to the source and find out. To Marlaina Schiavo.

Marlaina, who was in the home that evening?



SCHIAVO: She had a cousin visiting from out of town earlier. And so he was in the home at some point, but we`re still trying to figure out exactly how that`s all pieced together, Nancy.

GRACE: Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

NEVES: She brought some clean clothes over.

GRACE: OK.

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.
 
This is one of my personal favorites from the various Ronald Cummings appearances on the Nancy Grace Show:

~Respectfully Snipped~ From MADJGELAW’s post above:

March 16, 2009

GRACE: Ronald, how did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed, Misty, Junior, your son, and Haleigh? How did that happen? How was that miscommunicated?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Ms. Nancy, I have no -- no answer for you. I don`t know how it was miscommunicated.

How did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed?

Hmmm......These two really don’t know the answer to that question?

February 11, 2009

GRACE: Ronald, what time did she put Haleigh to bed?

CUMMINGS: She puts them to bed every night at 8:00 o`clock.

GRACE: At 8:00 o`clock. When she put...

CUMMINGS: And...

GRACE: When she put her to bed at 8:00 o`clock, did she also put to bed the little 4-year-old boy?

CUMMINGS: Yes, she did.

GRACE: OK. What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

From a Joe South song in 1969:

"Oh the games people play now

Every night and every day now

Never meaning what they say now

Never saying what they mean"

It's my theory and opinion that misinformation has a direct bearing on why this case is where it is 15 months after Haleigh disappeared.
 
This is one of my personal favorites from the various Ronald Cummings appearances on the Nancy Grace Show:

How did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed?

Hmmm......These two really don’t know the answer to that question?



From a Joe South song in 1969:



It's my theory and opinion that misinformation has a direct bearing on why this case is where it is 15 months after Haleigh disappeared.

Mine too Papa.. Mind boggling to say the least...I'll never forget that interview... March 16, 2009..

And in reference to myself I'm quite concerned as to WHY misinformation from any of the Cummings goes unchallenged.
 
Mine too Papa.. Mind boggling to say the least...I'll never forget that interview... March 16, 2009..

Something else in that interview that caught my attention was the fact that Ronald said his cousin was at the MH that day.
Later on in the interview NG ask TN who was there and asked if the cousin that was being questioned there and she said yes.
Here is the question, how did TN know Joe was there? And why has this cousin of Ron's been overlooked? Could this cousin be Hope?:
 
I have spent some time going back to earlier interviews to keep me busy and found several that caught my attention. Here is one where Ronald says "HIS" cousin came over that night, TN says that GGMS and Cousin Joe came over, Ron talks about how he changed the three locks in the MH so that something like this wouldn't happen. Speaking of the kidnapping, there is mention of the door in the bedroom being open and the kitchen light being on, that didn't make sense then and still doesn't make sense, and a bit more.

Cummings Girlfriend Not Ruled Out as Suspect in Haleigh Disappearance
"Snip"
Aired March 16, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

NEVES: She brought some clean clothes over.

GRACE: OK.

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.

Snipped for length: MADJGNLAW I don't know if you are familiar with the southern, shortened version of Wuddn't. It means wasn't. When I listen to Ron's comment (bolded above) I hear him say "Cousin wuddn't there". I could be wrong, but that is what I hear. Most people wouldn't recognize this word, but I have heard it all my life.
 
Something else in that interview that caught my attention was the fact that Ronald said his cousin was at the MH that day.
Later on in the interview NG ask TN who was there and asked if the cousin that was being questioned there and she said yes.
Here is the question, how did TN know Joe was there? And why has this cousin of Ron's been overlooked? Could this cousin be Hope?:

Hope...very very intersting!
Was she at the 3 day party with Nay Nay and WBG?
I wonder if the only reason Nay Nay is out of jail is because her boyfriend bailed her out?
Do we kow anything about the party and who was there?
 
Snipped for length: MADJGNLAW I don't know if you are familiar with the southern, shortened version of Wuddn't. It means wasn't. When I listen to Ron's comment (bolded above) I hear him say "Cousin wuddn't there". I could be wrong, but that is what I hear. Most people wouldn't recognize this word, but I have heard it all my life.

I hadn't gotten a chance to listen to the audio again in a while, I have been reading up on transcripts and just sniped what was written in the transcript. I remember Ron mentioning a cousin, just was not sure who. I will take a listen to the audio at PattyG' site in the am. Thanks..
 
Hope...very very intersting!
Was she at the 3 day party with Nay Nay and WBG?
I wonder if the only reason Nay Nay is out of jail is because her boyfriend bailed her out?
Do we kow anything about the party and who was there?

I don't think Hope was at the 3 day party, she has never been named as being there. What we know about the 3 day party is what Nay Nay has said, if you are a glutton for punishment :crazy: you can see her interview here:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/
 
I don't understand why so many seem to think that nearly every conversation is some type of conspiracy and spoken in code?? These ppl are not government trained spies, NOT ANYTHING EVEN NEAR.
:eek:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Forgive me, Jessigirl. I mean no offense to you. But...just the very notion...whew...nothing in this forum has made me laugh so hard since, "HEY!! BE-BBAAY!!!

Most are uneducated or barely educated and do not have much common sense either. I believe that LE knows exactly who is responsible and who is involved but the one thing that these ppl did correctly(and I only mean that in terms of correctly getting rid of evidence) and that is by sadly disposing of lil precious Haleigh to gator infested water. That is LE problem in bringing this case to a close, complete lack of evidence and no body or remains. Therefore they are having to build a completely circumstantial case with the main evidence gone FOREVER.
I respectfully disagree. LE has indicated that they do have evidence, physical and otherwise.
But as far as these conversations these ppl are not using any code language and when this is finally brought to a close I think it will be seen that there is no grand conspiracy here, only a couple of uneducated, selfish, addicted ppl that are desperately trying to keep from having to implicate themselves.
What sad irony if it turns out that for fifteen months, Misty and company have unwittingly baffled LE and the rest of us with their "code speak" when all along they were only trying to tell the truth.


I know that ppl want to look at all angles possible of this case but again when charges are brought and thanks to that GREAT Sunshine Law all evidence will be for everyone to see,it will be very apparent that SO MANY aspects have been way over thought&made much more complex than they ever really were.... MOO
When critiquing an observation, it's not always clear just how deep is too deep to probe. Speaking for myself, this case with its many, many contradictions, has sent me into the corner doing this :banghead: much more frequently than any other I've followed. But that's part of what makes Weblseuths so special. On those occasions when the incessant urge to find a solution causes one to spin into orbit or succumb to the "beat a dead horse" syndrome, she can rest assured that her fellow members will give a little nudge and say, "time to put it down". ;)
 
Watching this video, and then the video of the wedding, I am under the impression Ronald Cummings did not want to marry Misty, but, someone made him.

I agree. He didn't want to marry her, but I think he was told that if he did, she wouldn't be able to testify against him. I think he later found out that was not the case. IMO
 
I don't understand why so many seem to think that nearly every conversation is some type of conspiracy and spoken in code??:waitasec: These ppl are not government trained spies, NOT ANYTHING EVEN NEAR. Most are uneducated or barely educated and do not have much common sense either. I believe that LE knows exactly who is responsible and who is involved but the one thing that these ppl did correctly(and I only mean that in terms of correctly getting rid of evidence) and that is by sadly disposing of lil precious Haleigh to gator infested water. That is LE problem in bringing this case to a close, complete lack of evidence and no body or remains. Therefore they are having to build a completely circumstantial case with the main evidence gone FOREVER. But as far as these conversations these ppl are not using any code language and when this is finally brought to a close I think it will be seen that there is no grand conspiracy here, only a couple of uneducated, selfish, addicted ppl that are desperately trying to keep from having to implicate themselves. I know that ppl want to look at all angles possible of this case but again when charges are brought and thanks to that GREAT Sunshine Law all evidence will be for everyone to see,it will be very apparent that SO MANY aspects have been way over thought&made much more complex than they ever really were.... MOO

Beats me too jessi.

I have never understood why some have scrutinized and over analized every single word spoken and made it into something sinister or into a big conspiracy.

Just like such a big deal has been made about Ron saying he was at work and came home to find Haleigh missing. Imo he was telling the truth and told it right up front so why do some find that suspicious? I would say the same thing if I had just arrived home from work and found my child missing.

And all this speaking in code supposedly by Ron and his family members is almost laughable. And saying that Misty was following "the script." LOL! I think some give Ron Cummings way too much credit for being able to accomplish so many things. You are right none of these people are in the CIA or trained commandos or even code talkers.

ITA! I think the truth is coming and it has nothing to do with Ron or any of his family having involvement.

I saw a video of all the numerous binders and disk LE has collected in this case. When and if there are arrests, wow we are going to get a document dump enough to fill a dump truck. lol:crazy:

IMO
 
Watching this video, and then the video of the wedding, I am under the impression Ronald Cummings did not want to marry Misty, but, someone made him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNSUoAUwWM&feature=player_embedded

I agree. He didn't want to marry her, but I think he was told that if he did, she wouldn't be able to testify against him. I think he later found out that was not the case. IMO

I've always felt it was to avoid a Statutory rape charge.

Things were starting to heat up with all the publicity,
and he was advised to marry her to avoid being arrested.
 
I'm sorry if this is off topic Gran but I think this comment is important. Chelsea HAD NO CAR at the time. She had to have been using the van and not Misty. One of RC's tapes to Cobra said neither he or Misty were allowed to drive that van and I believe it's true because Misty had no license.

I was generalizing the vehicle. Sorry. And I have no idea where i"m getting chelsea in the van w/ misty. I just relistened to the Jerry Santos audio, where I thought I heard that about chelsea but i was wrong. Sorry again. But Santos does say a number of times that misty was in the van and used the remote door openers to open the door for Haleigh and Jr. Either way though, I just can't see anyone of these people caring if misty had her license. jmo.
 
I'm sorry if this is off topic Gran but I think this comment is important. Chelsea HAD NO CAR at the time. She had to have been using the van and not Misty. One of RC's tapes to Cobra said neither he or Misty were allowed to drive that van and I believe it's true because Misty had no license.

I'm curious as to WHY Ron C deemed it necessary to even make a comment that he was not allowed to drive that van..
And I don't know what vehicles Misty had access to or was allowed to drive but in an AH interview right after she and Ronald Cummings hitched up she admits to driving Haleigh and her nephew to school if they miss the bus or Ronald is too tired to take Haleigh....JMO
 
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