General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Lanie]

I don't understand why so many seem to think that nearly every conversation is some type of conspiracy and spoken in code??:waitasec: These ppl are not government trained spies, NOT ANYTHING EVEN NEAR. Most are uneducated or barely educated and do not have much common sense either. I believe that LE knows exactly who is responsible and who is involved but the one thing that these ppl did correctly(and I only mean that in terms of correctly getting rid of evidence) and that is by sadly disposing of lil precious Haleigh to gator infested water. That is LE problem in bringing this case to a close, complete lack of evidence and no body or remains. Therefore they are having to build a completely circumstantial case with the main evidence gone FOREVER. But as far as these conversations these ppl are not using any code language and when this is finally brought to a close I think it will be seen that there is no grand conspiracy here, only a couple of uneducated, selfish, addicted ppl that are desperately trying to keep from having to implicate themselves. I know that ppl want to look at all angles possible of this case but again when charges are brought and thanks to that GREAT Sunshine Law all evidence will be for everyone to see,it will be very apparent that SO MANY aspects have been way over thought&made much more complex than they ever really were.... MOO

Just wanted to say I signed in just so I could hit the 'thank you' button on this post, and I wish I could have hit it multiple times.

 

[jessigirl]

I have spent some time going back to earlier interviews to keep me busy and found several that caught my attention. Here is one where Ronald says "HIS" cousin came over that night, TN says that GGMS and Cousin Joe came over, Ron talks about how he changed the three locks in the MH so that something like this wouldn't happen. Speaking of the kidnapping, there is mention of the door in the bedroom being open and the kitchen light being on, that didn't make sense then and still doesn't make sense, and a bit more.

Cummings Girlfriend Not Ruled Out as Suspect in Haleigh Disappearance
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Aired March 16, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

GRACE:Ronald, as I see it, there are three main inconsistencies in Misty Croslin -- now Cummings -- statement. Number one, when she called police. Number two, why she went to a bathroom far away from where Haleigh was, as opposed to the one right there in the master bedroom. And possibly most significantly, an alleged inconsistency about where she was sleeping and where Haleigh was sleeping the night she was kidnapped.

Let`s take that one off the top. What did Misty tell you that night - - not later, but that night -- about where Haleigh was sleeping?

RONALD CUMMINGS: She told me that she was sleeping in the -- her and Junior were sleeping in my queen-size bed and that she was sleeping in the tot bed beside her.

RONALD CUMMINGS: Three or four feet from her...

GRACE: Ronald, how did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed, Misty, Junior, your son, and Haleigh? How did that happen? How was that miscommunicated?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Ms. Nancy, I have no -- no answer for you. I don`t know how it was miscommunicated.

GRACE: Is that what she told police, Ronald? Did she tell police at any time that she was in the bed with little Haleigh?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I wasn`t there when she was questioned by police, Ms. Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Here`s the next question. Why didn`t she call cops immediately when she realized Haleigh was missing? Explain to us the timeline. What happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.

GRACE: has she explained it to you why she didn`t go to the restroom in the middle of night right there in the bedroom`s attached bathroom? It`s kind of all one big, huge master bedroom. Why would she choose to crosses kitchen and go to a different bathroom?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Ms. Nancy. I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Something has been bothering me. If the story`s true that Misty was out partying and left the kids home alone, it`s possible Misty put the cement block by the back door so she could slip quietly back inside the house and not wake up the kids, but someone else could have gotten inside the house and took Haleigh before Misty got home.

GRACE: To Ronald Cummings, has the theory that Misty left the home some time during the night been disproved?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I`m not sure. I believe that it has, Nancy. I`m almost 100 percent sure, but I wouldn`t say that and lie to you. I`m pretty sure it has been disproved.

GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.

GRACE: Ronald, one thing I want to clear up. I still don`t understand why she didn`t call 911 the minute she realized Haleigh was gone.


RONALD CUMMINGS: I think she was still looking to make sure that Haleigh -- she wasn`t going to make a false 911 call. She was making sure that Haleigh was not, you know, up in the bathroom or in a..... got up and moved up to another room or whatever. You know, I think she was just being sure that...

GRACE: So when you pull up -- when you pull up, she`s still looking?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.


RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO: And you have to remember, that she -- when she got up to go to the bathroom, she saw that the kitchen light was on. The kitchen is over this way. So that means she would have had to have gotten up and gone out this door and then have noticed.


NANCY GRACE: Ronald, I see you shaking your head, no, no, no. Why? Do you disagree?

CUMMINGS: Because we can go in that house right now where they -- we can go in -- yes, absolutely. I disagree. We can go in that house right now with a camera and turn that kitchen that light on. And from the bedroom you can see it. It don`t matter if you go to the bathroom that`s across the house or the one that`s in that bedroom. You can see that the kitchen light is on. It shines. It`s black in the house.

GRACE: You know I`m interested to hear that because when Marlaina was -- and Teresa Neves was giving us access to the home, I asked specifically was the bedroom door open. Do you sleep with the bedroom door open and they responded yes.

CUMMINGS: Always.


CALLER LILI:mine is more of a statement. Have they checked out the person that rented the trailer before? Because they would know where the cinder block is. They might even have a key to the deadbolt. They know where the light is and the switch to the light of the kitchen.

GRACE: To Ronald Cummings. Ronald, isn`t the previous owner the reverend?

CUMMINGS: As I believe it is the reverend`s mother and father.But I do know that I personally went to Wal-Mart and bought the deadbolts and the locks that were on there so nobody else had a key to this house.
GRACE: the former owner placed a lock on that back door but you also placed locks as well, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am, they were there. I took them off and put my own on.


CUMMINGS: I don`t want nobody to have keys in my house because I didn`t want this to happen.

GRACE: To Barbara in Massachusetts,.

BARBARA, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Misty said there were three men there that night. I think it was a nephew, cousin, a -- an air-conditioning repairman.
But anyway, any one of them could have unlocked that deadbolt, slipped her a sedative and left the house and come back later and gone in and gotten the child. I think it`s someone that knew them. I think it had to be someone who was there in the house that night.

And I`ve called the tip line and I`ve talked to detectives. This is how disturbed I am for this little girl. :waitasec:

GRACE: Let`s go to the source and find out. To Marlaina Schiavo.

Marlaina, who was in the home that evening?



SCHIAVO: She had a cousin visiting from out of town earlier. And so he was in the home at some point, but we`re still trying to figure out exactly how that`s all pieced together, Nancy.

GRACE: Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

NEVES: She brought some clean clothes over.

GRACE: OK.

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.

I believe that who TN is speaking of is the cousin Lisa that went to the mh that night with GGS. I will search again for the link but I posted the link just last week to where it is stated that is who(cousin Lisa) is with GGS when she stops by btwn 7-8pm. And IIRC during this NG interview NG was having trouble clearly hearing EXACTLY what was stated and I think in this confusion or lack of hearing clearly(since it was via satellite)somehow it got jumbled into "cousin" being just the one cousin, Joe. When infact TN was referring to the cousin Lisa that accompanied GGS to the mh that night.

 

[Donjeta]

I believe that who TN is speaking of is the cousin Lisa that went to the mh that night with GGS. I will search again for the link but I posted the link just last week to where it is stated that is who(cousin Lisa) is with GGS when she stops by btwn 7-8pm. And IIRC during this NG interview NG was having trouble clearly hearing EXACTLY what was stated and I think in this confusion or lack of hearing clearly(since it was via satellite)somehow it got jumbled into "cousin" being just the one cousin, Joe. When infact TN was referring to the cousin Lisa that accompanied GGS to the mh that night.

I think it was Misty's LVA test where we first heard of Lisa being there (Well, where I heard it first anyway). I don't see why you think TN is talking about her here though. IMO she's agreeing Yes, Joe was there (the cousin who police was investigating and who was earlier referred to as he) and when she says "she brought clean clothes over" she's still talking about her mother who she mentioned in her previous remark and not referring to Ronald's interruption, IMO.

Marlaina, who was in the home that evening?



SCHIAVO: She had a cousin visiting from out of town earlier. And so he was in the home at some point, but we`re still trying to figure out exactly how that`s all pieced together, Nancy.

GRACE: Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

NEVES: She brought some clean clothes over.

GRACE: OK.

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.

 

[Whisperer]

Lisa is a cousin? I thought Elisa was an aunt...married to Donald.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I believe that who TN is speaking of is the cousin Lisa that went to the mh that night with GGS. I will search again for the link but I posted the link just last week to where it is stated that is who(cousin Lisa) is with GGS when she stops by btwn 7-8pm. And IIRC during this NG interview NG was having trouble clearly hearing EXACTLY what was stated and I think in this confusion or lack of hearing clearly(since it was via satellite)somehow it got jumbled into "cousin" being just the one cousin, Joe. When infact TN was referring to the cousin Lisa that accompanied GGS to the mh that night.

Hmmm....it's surprising to read this in this particular post since a little over a week ago the same poster seemed perfectly well aware that it was AUNT Lisa, not Cousin Lisa, who accompanyied GGM to the mh that evening.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Air Conditioner Repair Man and Nancy Grace video and transcription dated 3/16/2009.

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here's video stating GGS and RCs Aunt Lisa came to the mh that nite. It is right at the 11:00 mark

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I believe that who TN is speaking of is the cousin Lisa that went to the mh that night with GGS. I will search again for the link but I posted the link just last week to where it is stated that is who(cousin Lisa) is with GGS when she stops by btwn 7-8pm. And IIRC during this NG interview NG was having trouble clearly hearing EXACTLY what was stated and I think in this confusion or lack of hearing clearly(since it was via satellite)somehow it got jumbled into "cousin" being just the one cousin, Joe. When infact TN was referring to the cousin Lisa that accompanied GGS to the mh that night.

Oh, yeah I recall that later on it was said that a cousin or Aunt came by with GGMS, wasn't that the one who is a nurse? Elise? Or am I getting myself confused again? LOL..

 

[doobiedoo52]

The way I'm taking this statement is that Tommy had been doing and purchasing drugs for quite awhile and never got caught--considering that's what he's been arrested for. Tim is afraid he'll get busted for drugs if he comes back. JMO

 

[suspicious1]

I'm curious as to WHY Ron C deemed it necessary to even make a comment that he was not allowed to drive that van..And I don't know what vehicles Misty had access to or was allowed to drive but in an AH interview right after she and Ronald Cummings hitched up she admits to driving Haleigh and her nephew to school if they miss the bus or Ronald is too tired to take Haleigh....JMO

BBM

I'm curious about this too, EM. Kinda makes me think that maybe Ron drove the blue van sometimes. It was just weird. Didn't Ron make a comment about Timmy and what he was doing at 1am? Maybe I'm confusing myself but I thought I remembered something about Ron saying what Timmy was doing at 1am. Can someone refresh my memory?

 

[Dion]

They might be referring to the A/C repair guy, who I have seen reported as being a cousin of RC.

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM

I'm curious about this too, EM. Kinda makes me think that maybe Ron drove the blue van sometimes. It was just weird. Didn't Ron make a comment about Timmy and what he was doing at 1am? Maybe I'm confusing myself but I thought I remembered something about Ron saying what Timmy was doing at 1am. Can someone refresh my memory?

I don't recall hearing Ron C mention Timmy or what he was doing.. I recall Misty stating he got up and noticed Jo wasn't in the bed where he usually sleeps and Timmy thought perhaps he was on the phone in the back bedroom..I think she mentioned a time but I can't remember.. Could that have been around 1:00?

 

[TobyWong*]

IMO, the stolen gun story is important because that may be how they got Joe and/or Tommy to help or the Croslins to keep quiet.

The gun that was found in the culvert with dirt so Ron had to clean it. Then that "clean" gun was given to LE. I think that gun had fingerprints on it, Joe's and/or Tommy's or maybe others. I think Ron was happy it was stolen because it now could be tied to someone else. I think that gun was used previously in a shooting and the perfect way to blackmail people to help.

I don't think the "clean" gun that LE has is the same stolen gun. I don't think "clean" meant the gun was cleaned because of dirt from the culvert. I think "clean" stands for "clean" never used in a shooting. I think Ron still has the gun with the fingerprints on it. I think that is why Ron originally denied that any of his guns was stolen. Because he did not have a "clean" gun to give LE in place of the gun with the fingerprints. I think somehow Ron got a clean gun so he could admit a gun was stolen.

Again, just my opinion but that gun seems to be one of the consistent stories.

Thank you for this. I really fits & explains alot. I wonder if ron accidently shot Haleigh, then handed
the gun to misty, then misty handed it to ? tommy. All of their prints would be on it. ron could easily hang on to it and use that to threaten, that if they say anything he'll give that to LE and tell them that one of them shot Haleigh. That can really answer why the croslins are'nt turning on ron.

 

[Wendy101]

Here is my theory on how to solve the case.

Get TiC behind bars (for any reason) and Misty will sing like a bird.

 

[Emeralgem]

Thank you for this. I really fits & explains alot. I wonder if ron accidently shot Haleigh, then handed
the gun to misty, then misty handed it to ? tommy. All of their prints would be on it. ron could easily hang on to it and use that to threaten, that if they say anything he'll give that to LE and tell them that one of them shot Haleigh. That can really answer why the croslins are'nt turning on ron.

I've stated for what seems like forever now Ron C shot Haleigh..I don't know know just what exactly went down but have thought perhaps there was a struggle to get the gun away from Ron C resulting in her being accidentally shot...
I'm more inclined to believe they haven't turned on Ron because they helped in the cover up about what really happened and possible moved the body of a deceased child to another location until plans could be made to dispose of her remains...Stupid move on their part.. They should have called 911 immediately when they realized what had happened to Haleigh..JMO

 

[4Jacy]

Why is Timmy afraid he will be arrested if he goes to Satsuma? What has he done that he feels he will be arrested? I think Timmy is involved in this and that CC and LC know exactly what happened.

His sister and brother sit in jail, his parents hardly have enough to eat, and Timmy doesn't even bother to go visit them? Does he send them any money? This guy should seriously be investigated - again.

 

[Emeralgem]

Why is Timmy afraid he will be arrested if he goes to Satsuma? What has he done that he feels he will be arrested? I think Timmy is involved in this and that CC and LC know exactly what happened.

His sister and brother sit in jail, his parents hardly have enough to eat, and Timmy doesn't even bother to go visit them? Does he send them any money? This guy should seriously be investigated - again.

IIRC Timmy and Chelsey got out of Dodge as soon as she delivered her last child and to my knowledge we never heard a peep out of him after Haleigh was reported missing...My understanding the whole family was planning to move out of Florida.
IF the incident occurred at the Croslin home on Magnolia I suspect all the Croslins may know and have helped her.. I'm not talking about Hank Sr. and Lisa since we know they were in Gainesville at the hospital But I am now wondering IF they know what really happened and where it happened... And IF they do know, wonder who told them and when they were told...All just my opinion...JMO

 

[doobiedoo52]

I'm curious as to WHY Ron C deemed it necessary to even make a comment that he was not allowed to drive that van..
And I don't know what vehicles Misty had access to or was allowed to drive but in an AH interview right after she and Ronald Cummings hitched up she admits to driving Haleigh and her nephew to school if they miss the bus or Ronald is too tired to take Haleigh....JMO

The reason the statement was made was in answer to a direct question from Cobra. He asked if Misty ever drove the van--RC said no--neither one of them were allowed to drive it. This is the reason why I think Santos just glanced at the van and thought it was Misty. Chelsea had that van that day and night. She would have no reason to be at the bus stop unless she was picking up her nephew since her kids weren't in school. Chelsea even says she saw RC picking Haleigh up.

The same Cobra tape has RC telling Cobra that Timmy got up at 1:00 and the van and Joe were gone.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I don't recall hearing Ron C mention Timmy or what he was doing.. I recall Misty stating he got up and noticed Jo wasn't in the bed where he usually sleeps and Timmy thought perhaps he was on the phone in the back bedroom..I think she mentioned a time but I can't remember.. Could that have been around 1:00?

The mention of Timmy waking up came from the audios in the Parking lot. It was a conversation that Ronald was having with Cobra. That is were the Timmy woke up at 1AM came from. I think this audio is in the PL.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The reason the statement was made was in answer to a direct question from Cobra. He asked if Misty ever drove the van--RC said no--neither one of them were allowed to drive it. This is the reason why I think Santos just glanced at the van and thought it was Misty. Chelsea had that van that day and night. She would have no reason to be at the bus stop unless she was picking up her nephew since her kids weren't in school. Chelsea even says she saw RC picking Haleigh up.

The same Cobra tape has RC telling Cobra that Timmy got up at 1:00 and the van and Joe were gone.

:waitasec: Wouldn't it be something if it were Chelsea in the van with Misty? I always have had my suspicions about Chelsea and Timmy. If I am not mistaken it was several parents at the bus stop that saw Misty in the van though. They also mentioned that she slapped a child in the back seat and was talking about the bad ch*t she had gotten. I wonder since she did not drive to-wards the MH on Green, did they go back to Chelsea's house? Then maybe Ronald picked up Misty and the kids from there and brought them back to the MH? Could the fight of happen at Chelsea's? So many questions yikes!:banghead: I can't wait until the day we get an idea of what really happen to Haleigh. It such a shame that her life was not a priority to her custodial family.

 

[Emeralgem]

The reason the statement was made was in answer to a direct question from Cobra. He asked if Misty ever drove the van--RC said no--neither one of them were allowed to drive it. This is the reason why I think Santos just glanced at the van and thought it was Misty. Chelsea had that van that day and night. She would have no reason to be at the bus stop unless she was picking up her nephew since her kids weren't in school. Chelsea even says she saw RC picking Haleigh up.
The same Cobra tape has RC telling Cobra that Timmy got up at 1:00 and the van and Joe were gone.

IIRC Chelsey did not give a specific date when she replied to NG's question as to when was the last time she saw Haleigh. We don't know if she was referring to February 9th or not..
Also J Santos stated Haleigh got in the van when she got off the bus. He also claims Tommy's son got into the same van as Haleigh did that day...And they drove off in the opposite direction of the MH... Also, it has been stated by a local who used to post here Ron C showed up at the bus stop too and when he discovered Haleigh had already been picked up he went looking for the van..
Now I don't know IF Misty was driving or Chelsey was driving that van when Haleigh got into the van, but I suspect when Ron C located the van all HELL broke loose between him and whoever was on the scene when he caught up with them...JMO

 

[TobyWong*]

I've stated for what seems like forever now Ron C shot Haleigh..I don't know know just what exactly went down but have thought perhaps there was a struggle to get the gun away from Ron C resulting in her being accidentally shot...
I'm more inclined to believe they haven't turned on Ron because they helped in the cover up about what really happened and possible moved the body of a deceased child to another location until plans could be made to dispose of her remains...Stupid move on their part.. They should have called 911 immediately when they realized what had happened to Haleigh..JMO

Imo, if they did'nt have direct involvement in her death then why would'nt they flip on ron? Helping dispose or covering up is a heck of alot less jail time than flat out murder. And just the fact that they are being looked at as THE culprit in Haleigh's disappearance, would make me think they would jump at the chance to clear their name.? I don't know. The idea that any number of the croslin clan could possibly have finger prints on the gun that was used to kill Haleigh, makes more sense to cover for ron, if he has that gun, he holds the cards.IMO yes stupid moves all around.