General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Concerned Papa]

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Since LE said they had cleared the AC man I do think they found him very credible when he told them he saw the little girl when he came to do maintenance on the AC.

This is the only statement released by LE in regard to the A/C man. We do not know his account of the events that afternoon.

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.

Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

You are correct Bessie. Now compare what LE said about the A/C man to what they said about Joe Overstreet:

A man who visited Haleigh Cummings' family in Satsuma and returned to Tennessee the day she disappeared is not a suspect, police said Saturday as the frustrating search for the missing 5-year-old continued.

Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told reporters during an afternoon briefing that the man, a cousin of Haleigh's father's girlfriend, was interviewed after detectives learned of him early in the investigation and was subsequently ruled out.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...cousin_not_a_suspect_in_haleigh_cummings_case

A cousin of Croslin who lives in Tennessee but had recently visited the area is not a suspect or “person of interest” in the case.

“We got a lead about him early on and interviewed him. He is not a suspect,” Schauland said.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/...ssee-not-a-suspect-in-Haleigh-s-disappearance

According to LE:

(A) Police are confident the A/C man was not involved.

(B) Joe Overstreet is not a suspect. he has been ruled out, and he is not a person of interest.

If the A/C man is "cleared", then Joe Overstreet is TRIPLE cleared and only the words of incarcerated, documented liars say otherwise.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You are correct Bessie. Now compare what LE said about the A/C man to what they said about Joe Overstreet:





According to LE:

(A) Police are confident the A/C man was not involved.

(B) Joe Overstreet is not a suspect. he has been ruled out, and he is not a person of interest.

If the A/C man is "cleared", then Joe Overstreet is TRIPLE cleared and only the words of incarcerated, documented liars say otherwise.

I see no quotes anywhere that said he was ruled out.

From one of your links that does have quotes.

“We got a lead about him early on and interviewed him. He is not a suspect,” Schauland said. “At the moment, we have no searches. We are following up on leads. The investigation is going on.”

Since they have named NO suspects in this case of course they aren't going to say he or anyone else is a suspect.

Do you have a link to a video where Schauland himself is saying JO was subsequently ruled out?

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is the only statement released by LE in regard to the A/C man. We do not know his account of the events that afternoon.


http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.

Even Merchant is confirming that when the AC man was there Haleigh was not missing at that time.

IMO

 

[Donjeta]

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.

Even Merchant is confirming that when the AC man was there Haleigh was not missing at that time.

IMO

Not to say you're wrong about the AC guy but my reading of this is that Merchant confirms that the AC guy was questioned within an hour of the 911 call, not necessarily Haleigh's disappearance because LE said that they didn't know what time it happened.

Imo this paragraph treats the time of disappearance as synonymous with the time of the missing persons report, since they say "within an hour of the disappearance" and say that Feb 9 was the day before Haleigh's disappearance. By all accounts we used to have at the time the exact hour of the disappearance or even the day of the disappearance weren't known for sure. According to Misty's timeline the hour of the disappearance could be anything from 10 pm. on Monday to 3 am on Tuesday, and LE said the timeline started with Granny Sykes's visit at 7 pm.

Family members say they saw Haleigh after the AC man was there so unless LE wanted to publicly dispute the family members they would go with the stated last sighting in the media even if they privately had some doubts that it might not be the truth.

There are enough lies to go around even if the last sighting happens to be completely true.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMHO.. LE stating they had cleared the AC man does not in anyway prove the AC man told LE he saw Haleigh when he came to do maintenance on the AC....We don't know what the AC man told LE.. Also, I find it rather strange JM claims he was able to clear the AC man in an hour or so after Haleigh was reported missing...JMO

 

[debs]

IMHO.. LE stating they had cleared the AC man does not in anyway prove the AC man told LE he saw Haleigh when he came to do maintenance on the AC....We don't know what the AC man told LE.. Also, I find it rather strange JM claims he was able to clear the AC man in an hour or so after Haleigh was reported missing...JMO

I agree. And since I also believe there was a slip up when Misty said she handed the phone to Ron and said the AC guy is here, I believe Ron and Misty were together at the time, somewhere other than the MH, and the AC guy was cleared because he can prove that no one was home when he made his call because he could not do any service at the MH.

 

[ladonna]

I agree. And since I also believe there was a slip up when Misty said she handed the phone to Ron and said the AC guy is here, I believe Ron and Misty were together at the time, somewhere other than the MH, and the AC guy was cleared because he can prove that no one was home when he made his call because he could not do any service at the MH.

WoW!!! I never thought of that....very possible.

 

[Baznme]

I agree. And since I also believe there was a slip up when Misty said she handed the phone to Ron and said the AC guy is here, I believe Ron and Misty were together at the time, somewhere other than the MH, and the AC guy was cleared because he can prove that no one was home when he made his call because he could not do any service at the MH.

Good catch! So Misty's comment puts RC being there with her AFTER the time he said he left for work!

 

[tfrohning]

I understand how Joe was a suspect in the beginning...Anything or anyone that was out ordinary. Joe was out ordinary being from out of town and Haleigh came up missing. I be suspicion too (and I was).

Misty meeting WBG was out the ordinary too. In my theory I think that Nay Nay set up Misty for the meeting with WBG.
Ron didn't want anyone to know where he lived. I going on the rumor that Ron did own big money for drugs or guns.

Misty was home that night and it was kind like a home invasion. The perts did not find what they were looking for. Plain and simple they took Haleigh so that Misty would get a message to Ron. Misty calls Ron and tells him what happen. So I feel Ron knew before he got home. This was his deal and Misty help the PERTs with the address. We can only guess what Misty was running her mouth about during the three day drugging and sex party. She was mad at Ron so we know she was running her mouth. Nay Nay confirm that to us so did WBG.

I think that Misty was hiding with Jr. and she could had a knife to her throat. Tommy comes over (maybe with Joe) and the perts see him and grab him takes him to a van (maybe not Lindsey) and he is threaten that they will kill his whole family.

The scene is in motion to be stage. I also think that TN unlock that door or when Ron got home he did. (misty said that you needed a key for the inside and she didn't had a key she it gave back before the three day party}

Why not tell the true story? Ron thought he could find Haleigh and come up with the debt but they had to report Haleigh missing there was court date and Crystal might wanted to see the kids...the school would start checking. Tommy was scare they would come back and kill his family... Tim and Chelsea get out of town for safely and distance their family from Misty and Ron.

Ron intimidate everyone he comes in contact with.....He thinks that Misty or Tommy going to LE and tell them the truth...he thinks that Charles Jones was also told by Misty the truth. And he also was afarid that Donna knew too. He was way to scare of snitches and their phones being tap.

the actions of theses two after the days when Haleigh came up missing is unacceptable and I could only wonder is it that Ron felt that they would not harm Haleigh or that he was willing to give up his daughter for the debt.

Misty so happy...she also felt they wouldn't harm Haleigh. She had Ron full attention (for all the wrong reasons) she knows that this was Ron fault and she could not fight against a couple of thugs. Ron didn't want this to get out about the debt he would be in big trouble. So now he is in big trouble and they are all talking.... before this is over I think we would see some players never heard from again. Meaning they will get witness protection.

This is not how normal drug dealers works but this is Putman and there nothing normal about that town. LE is pulling in all the drug cronies… Something up with that.

Joe is for us to focus and guess what it all about for the time being. I think they went to TN to questioned Joe if he was with Tommy… he was also threaten and LE wanted corroborate Tommy story.

Oh and the car that was heard that night (in my theory) was Nay Nay....she was leading the perts to the MH and then took off when things went down.

On the tapes with Cobra and Barbara...Barbara states that there was also a big shipment coming in from out town. Not sure what she meant it hard to hear. My question who ever brought in that shipment could the thugs that took Haleigh in the first place hand her off to the out town pert’s. IDK
Just one of many theories....

 

[bessie]

Good catch! So Misty's comment puts RC being there with her AFTER the time he said he left for work!

Or, it was simply an innocent slip of the tongue. Note she didn't say, "the A/C guy is there", or anything else that would indicate she and Ronald were together away from the MH.

 

[Oldsoul2]

At the risk of being disagreeable, this is all way too thought out in my opinion. These are people that LIVE a life of crime, whether it's drugs, stealing, lying whatever it may be. They are also in constant need of money with no regard for people. This has been a proven theory. Is it possible that Haleigh was taken or sold to an unregistered pedophile who simply had to pay them for access to her? I have posted on this thread for awhile, had my "predictions" about it and still see it the same way. A man came in and took Haleigh to do unthinkable things, she was not dead in the trailer, as a matter of fact I sense she died months after she was taken and died of unattended illness by her predator. TC, MC and possibly Timmy were all paid for this and Misty had no problem because she was jealous. Ron married her to make her tell him where his daughter went.

 

[Baznme]

I understand how Joe was a suspect in the beginning...Anything or anyone that was out ordinary. Joe was out ordinary being from out of town and Haleigh came up missing. I be suspicion too (and I was).

Misty meeting WBG was out the ordinary too. In my theory I think that Nay Nay set up Misty for the meeting with WBG.
Ron didn't want anyone to know where he lived. I going on the rumor that Ron did own big money for drugs or guns.

Misty was home that night and it was kind like a home invasion. The perts did not find what they were looking for. Plain and simple they took Haleigh so that Misty would get a message to Ron. Misty calls Ron and tells him what happen. So I feel Ron knew before he got home. This was his deal and Misty help the PERTs with the address. We can only guess what Misty was running her mouth about during the three day drugging and sex party. She was mad at Ron so we know she was running her mouth. Nay Nay confirm that to us so did WBG.

I think that Misty was hiding with Jr. and she could had a knife to her throat. Tommy comes over (maybe with Joe) and the perts see him and grab him takes him to a van (maybe not Lindsey) and he is threaten that they will kill his whole family.

The scene is in motion to be stage. I also think that TN unlock that door or when Ron got home he did. (misty said that you needed a key for the inside and she didn't had a key she it gave back before the three day party}

Why not tell the true story? Ron thought he could find Haleigh and come up with the debt but they had to report Haleigh missing there was court date and Crystal might wanted to see the kids...the school would start checking. Tommy was scare they would come back and kill his family... Tim and Chelsea get out of town for safely and distance their family from Misty and Ron.

Ron intimidate everyone he comes in contact with.....He thinks that Misty or Tommy going to LE and tell them the truth...he thinks that Charles Jones was also told by Misty the truth. And he also was afarid that Donna knew too. He was way to scare of snitches and their phones being tap.

the actions of theses two after the days when Haleigh came up missing is unacceptable and I could only wonder is it that Ron felt that they would not harm Haleigh or that he was willing to give up his daughter for the debt.

Misty so happy...she also felt they wouldn't harm Haleigh. She had Ron full attention (for all the wrong reasons) she knows that this was Ron fault and she could not fight against a couple of thugs. Ron didn't want this to get out about the debt he would be in big trouble. So now he is in big trouble and they are all talking.... before this is over I think we would see some players never heard from again. Meaning they will get witness protection.

This is not how normal drug dealers works but this is Putman and there nothing normal about that town. LE is pulling in all the drug cronies… Something up with that.

Joe is for us to focus and guess what it all about for the time being. I think they went to TN to questioned Joe if he was with Tommy… he was also threaten and LE wanted corroborate Tommy story.

Oh and the car that was heard that night (in my theory) was Nay Nay....she was leading the perts to the MH and then took off when things went down.

On the tapes with Cobra and Barbara...Barbara states that there was also a big shipment coming in from out town. Not sure what she meant it hard to hear. My question who ever brought in that shipment could the thugs that took Haleigh in the first place hand her off to the out town pert’s. IDK
Just one of many theories....

Nay-Nay huh? I can see this as plausible.

 

[Baznme]

At the risk of being disagreeable, this is all way too thought out in my opinion. These are people that LIVE a life of crime, whether it's drugs, stealing, lying whatever it may be. They are also in constant need of money with no regard for people. This has been a proven theory. Is it possible that Haleigh was taken or sold to an unregistered pedophile who simply had to pay them for access to her? I have posted on this thread for awhile, had my "predictions" about it and still see it the same way. A man came in and took Haleigh to do unthinkable things, she was not dead in the trailer, as a matter of fact I sense she died months after she was taken and died of unattended illness by her predator. TC, MC and possibly Timmy were all paid for this and Misty had no problem because she was jealous. Ron married her to make her tell him where his daughter went.[/QUOTE]


BBM - In theory, this is just as plausible as any other but, he didn't have to marry her to MAKE her tell him where his daughter went. He could have done that simply by asking.

 

[newstome]

I hope and pray that is not true, but it could be what happened. I have also felt the other brother was involved.

 

[bessie]

Why would Misty mention the A/C guy if she were not at the MH when he arrived? By bringing him into the story, she is presenting him as an alibi to corroborate her story. That makes no sense since he would be the one outsider with documented evidence (a written service report) to refute her claim that she was home with the kids at 5 p.m. If, in fact, she was not there, any "script" would have to include an explanation for her absence.

 

[Quiche]

Why would Misty mention the A/C guy if she were not at the MH when he arrived? By bringing him into the story, she is presenting him as an alibi to corroborate her story. That makes no sense since he would be the one outsider with documented evidence (a written service report) to refute her claim that she was home with the kids at 5 p.m. Any "script" would have to include an explanation for her absence.

Maybe she headed to the MH after she got the call that he was there... both scenarios could be true, imo.

 

[bessie]

Maybe she headed to the MH after she got the call that he was there... both scenarios could be true, imo.

Possibly, but he would still know that she was not there when he arrived. And if, as Debs has speculated, she received a call from him and handed the phone to Ronald, he would know she was with Ronald. Thus, any cover story would have to explain why she was with Ronald at 5 p.m. Granted, none of these folks are geniuses, but they're smart enough to figure that out.

 

[viedow]

I wanted to to show some transcrips of an early JVM show with PCSO SGT Schauland. Everyone always has their own view of what someone is saying but I think it is pretty clear early on. Schauland is saying "We don't know what happened and we don't know when it happened" He could not have stated it any clearer. See below and the transcripts are available for anyone to go back and read. He says Ron has an alibi for work during certain hours but we don't know what happened and we don't know when it happened. I think they suspected RC at that moment. MC was the key to helping them get the proof they needed. Unfortunately, they are in the same place. They need more proof and they definitely need more than MC as an eye witness.

When you back up a statement with a However or a but you are contradicting that alibi .... IMO See below..

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

 

[viedow]

Sorry I forgot to use spell check. Actually, I am sorry that I have forgotten how to spell.

 

[Oldsoul2]

BBM - In theory, this is just as plausible as any other but, he didn't have to marry her to MAKE her tell him where his daughter went. He could have done that simply by asking.[/QUOTE]

Like LE has? Like everyone has since she disappeared....you can't get truth out of a liar