General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[debs]

You left out the part that while carrying Haleigh, he managed to unlock the door that had to be pushed in to unlock, then pulled the door open without tripping on all those dirty clothes, then bricked the screen door after he pushed it open.

Bluesky covered that in her scenario, where one perp was gathering up a sleeping child while an awake child watched and another teen child slept blissfully unaware, the other one was unlocking the door for easy access. Though one wonders why it was easier at this point to go out that back door than it was the front door.

 

[justus4all]

IF...R stopped at the convenience store and he was caught on tape ...does the store has a security camera/cameras..(most store have multiples..in the store..and the entrance).....

anyone know.......??????..IF THAT store has the camera/cameras of him pulling into parking lot and if so...FROM WHAT DIRECTION....My point being..coming FROM work..OR...coming from being at HOME...JMO...I am sure LE has this knowledge already..
thnks for an opinion...

 

[TrialAddict]

IF...R stopped at the convenience store and he was caught on tape ...does the store has a security camera/cameras..(most store have multiples..in the store..and the entrance).....

anyone know.......??????..IF THAT store has the camera/cameras of him pulling into parking lot and if so...FROM WHAT DIRECTION....My point being..coming FROM work..OR...coming from being at HOME...JMO...I am sure LE has this knowledge already..
thnks for an opinion...

The way this case is going so far, I am not SURE about anything LE has or may not have. Just from what I have read on here it seems LE has made more then a few mistake's IMO

 

[Always Solvable]

Does anyone know if LE has checked any of this information out? There is a Bayou Drive right down from Tyler street and the Nolan Street address in Jacksonville belongs to Southland Waste which may be the garbage company that picks up in Satsuma?

Here is a map from Nolan to Bayou.


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bayou+Dr,+Satsuma,+Putnam,+Florida+32189&daddr=218+Morgan+Ave,+Jacksonville,+FL+32254&geocode=FeJPwwEdG9gh-ymvCtmFSmbmiDFgHfdsOTLsWg%3BFe61zgEdwPgg-ykZHc1CpbnliDGRhpvLZEcSfQ&hl=en&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=29.950175,-81.697083&sspn=0.992358,1.766052&ie=UTF8&ll=29.587789,-81.331787&spn=1.991834,3.532104&z=8

Sorry, Southland Waste is located on Morgan Ave. Nolan is near Morgan. This DD is more than 1 year old so surely these locations have probably already been checked out.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

IF...R stopped at the convenience store and he was caught on tape ...does the store has a security camera/cameras..(most store have multiples..in the store..and the entrance).....

anyone know.......??????..IF THAT store has the camera/cameras of him pulling into parking lot and if so...FROM WHAT DIRECTION....My point being..coming FROM work..OR...coming from being at HOME...JMO...I am sure LE has this knowledge already..
thnks for an opinion...

Even if LE has such a tape, they wouldn't tell us if we tarred and feathered them, hung them up by their toes, and made them cry uncle. They are being extremely secretive, which leads me to believe they have big fish to fry. :sheesh:

 

[Justin Tyme]

Not sure where to put this but I just did a map quest on Tyler St and Green Ln and noticed that the back yards of Tyler St are butted up to the back yards of Green Ln. That's just one street over. Does anyone know in distance how far these two trailers (RC's & ToC's ) were from each other? If I'm looking at this correctly then why would they even need the van to go over when they could just walk around the corner or cut through the back yards? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did the terrain view on the map quest.

 

[suspicious1]

IF...R stopped at the convenience store and he was caught on tape ...does the store has a security camera/cameras..(most store have multiples..in the store..and the entrance).....

anyone know.......??????..IF THAT store has the camera/cameras of him pulling into parking lot and if so...FROM WHAT DIRECTION....My point being..coming FROM work..OR...coming from being at HOME...JMO...I am sure LE has this knowledge already..
thnks for an opinion...

I was wondering the same thing but for a different reason...I wanted to know if that store had cameras out front...to see if Ron had anyone else in the car with him and also which car he was driving. I just don't think we will find out anything in regards to that tape. Bummer!

 

[Crosby87]

Even if LE has such a tape, they wouldn't tell us if we tarred and feathered them, hung them up by their toes, and made them cry uncle. They are being extremely secretive, which leads me to believe they have a big fish to fry. :sheesh:

NG and JVM have the power to obtain this tape so I wonder if they would obtain the surveillance tape from the Kangaroo Store on Feb 10th if we asked them to.

 

[TrialAddict]

Does the sunshine law only pertain to a murder case? If not why hasn't much if anything about the drug case be released?

 

[Crosby87]

You left out the part that while carrying Haleigh, he managed to unlock the door that had to be pushed in to unlock, then pulled the door open without tripping on all those dirty clothes, then bricked the screen door after he pushed it open.

My theory is the perp entered through one of the windows in the children's bedrooms and went and unlocked the back door before he grabbed HaLeigh.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

Even if LE has such a tape, they wouldn't tell us if we tarred and feathered them, hung them up by their toes, and made them cry uncle. They are being extremely secretive, which leads me to believe they have a big fish to fry. :sheesh:

...or to protect. JMO ~

 

[Whisperer]

Not sure where to put this but I just did a map quest on Tyler St and Green Ln and noticed that the back yards of Tyler St are butted up to the back yards of Green Ln. That's just one street over. Does anyone know in distance how far these two trailers (RC's & ToC's ) were from each other? If I'm looking at this correctly then why would they even need the van to go over when they could just walk around the corner or cut through the back yards? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did the terrain view on the map quest.

tommy llived across Tyler five houses from the giant dumpster that sits on the corner of monroe and tyler. tommy lived on same side of street as dumpster parking lot.

to walk from tommy's to Ron's, one would go down the street towards monroe, turn L on monroe to green lane...Cross Monroe..ron's house 2nd on R. There are only three houses on Green where ron lived.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Not sure where to put this but I just did a map quest on Tyler St and Green Ln and noticed that the back yards of Tyler St are butted up to the back yards of Green Ln. That's just one street over. Does anyone know in distance how far these two trailers (RC's & ToC's ) were from each other? If I'm looking at this correctly then why would they even need the van to go over when they could just walk around the corner or cut through the back yards? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did the terrain view on the map quest.

Driving directions to 202 Green Ln, Satsuma, FL 32189
0.3 mi – about 1 min


116 Tyler St
Satsuma, FL 32189

1. Head west on Tyler St toward Sarabel Ln
0.1 mi
2. Turn left toward Green Ln
266 ft
3. Turn left at Green Ln
Destination will be on the right

377 ft

202 Green Ln
Satsuma, FL 32189

per Google maps

let me get the map.....back in a bit...

Got it. Map plus view from Google Earth.

MapQuest shows the Green Lane location on the opposite side of Monroe St. I thought it was nearer the corner, as the MapQuest map shows. Here are all the maps.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Could a person have popped off the window in either of the children’s bedrooms and entered the home? The windows on this trailer are situated very low so someone could easily have crawled through a window and unlocked the side doors before they went to grab HaLeigh who was lying just beyond the entrance to the master bedroom.

If two people were involved, one person could have replaced the window after the other perp handed them HaLeigh. If one person committed this crime, they unlocked the side doors after they entered the home. After Misty turned the lights off, the perp knew when it was safe to enter. Jr was in the same bed as Misty and because he had taken a nap during the day, he was alerted to the sound of squeaking floorboards but not Misty because she was tired and sound asleep. The children’s bedrooms are on the opposite side of the trailer and unoccupied so any noise a perp would make during his entry would be minimal. The perp was able to conceal his identity from Jr because it was dark in the bedroom and he faced the wall where HaLeigh’s mattress was situated during the invasion. He fled through the kitchen and out the back door into the secluded woods. Unfortunately Junior didn’t wake up Misty, and when she did, she noticed HaLeigh was gone. This is a very easy home to burglarize and Misty and HaLeigh were easy prey.

Have LE examined other windows of the home to determine whether they were tampered with?

LE would have looked at all the windows and doors.

How did he know where the kitchen light was and why did he turn it on?

If it was planned he would have just brought a little flashlight.

 

[Donjeta]

Are you thinking a stranger perp or an acquaintance perp, Bluesky? Do you have ideas regarding why people are making up stories about Joe getting mad because he couldn't find a gun and Misty hiding under the blankets with Jr. etc. if it all happened while Misty slept and she doesn't know who it was and why?

 

[Wendy101]

How does this explain officer 1256 stating at 3:27am that Haleigh was last seen 1 - 1 1/2 hours ago (2:00-2:30am)?

Officer 1256 was at Tommys at 3:37am on Feb 10 because his dogs were barking, however, he was not charged until the 27th?

I am totally lost...

This may explain why LE was on Tyler St. Feb 9-10, 2009.


"Snip" http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE

2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE

2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009

2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT

2009-04-17 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

 

[Maven2379]

How does this explain officer 1256 stating at 3:27am that Haleigh was last seen 1 - 1 1/2 hours ago (2:00-2:30am)?

Officer 1256 was at Tommys at 3:37am on Feb 10 because his dogs were barking, however, he was not charged until the 27th?

I am totally lost...

The dog was barking prior to the 10th, the citation was issued on the 10th, it was probably entered into the computers on the 27th.

and I don't think the officer was there at Tyler before going to Green.

 

[Wendy101]

I am still hoping that the incident report that someone said they were waiting for can be posted to clear this matter up. I believe the nuisance call at that time is related but I would love nothing more than to be able to rule something out in this case and the incident report would help to do that. The docket lists the date of 2/10/09, I can't help but be suspicious of that.

UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE
2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009
2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT
2009-04-17 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

BBM: Does this mean it was PCSO officer R. Clarke that handled this issue? Is Officer Clarke male or female? Anyone know?
Reason I am asking is because we know the responding officer(1256) to the 3:37am 911 call is female.

 

[elle1919]

BBM: Does this mean it was PCSO officer R. Clarke that handled this issue? Is Officer Clarke male or female? Anyone know?
Reason I am asking is because we know the responding officer(1256) to the 3:37am 911 call is female.

Not sure if officer is male or female, but I would guess that yes it was the officer that handled that issue.

 

[gngr~snap]

Maven2379~ The dog was barking prior to the 10th, the citation was issued on the 10th, it was probably entered into the computers on the 27th.

and I don't think the officer was there at Tyler before going to Green.
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Posted: Tuesday, 08 September 2009 10:28PM

Police Radio Calls The Night Haleigh Vanished Released


This is the full transmission from the dispatch, the night Haleigh went missing




This is the transcription of the police radio transmission:

OP=dispatch. MLE=male LE. FLE=female LE. Single digit numbers behind MLE or FLE correspond to the different deputies responding to call. S = Sgt. Blanks are where words were garbled. Numbers beginning with 12 are individual officers’ ID numbers, those beginning with 11 denote rank of Sgt. When OP or anyone else calls out an 11 or 12 number that officer responds with his/her number – usually.

OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8.
MLE1: 1271.
OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.
MLE1: 10:4. _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: I’m 10:26. I’ll be 10:8 in just a couple. 10:51.
OP: 10:4. 1256.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. Last seen wearing her PJ’s.
MLE: 10:4.
FLE2: Advice 1256.
OP: 1256.
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
MLES: (short static)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Can you 10:21?
MLES: 10:4.
FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8. 10:51. Back.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Arvan(?) 20.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
OP: 202 Green Lane. From Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe.
MLE1: 10:4. I’m not but a couple blocks. 10:4.
MLE1: 471 located 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 1297.
OP: 1271 or 1256 to 13.
MLE1: 77.
OP: cool. (?)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: When you get to 97, can you give us an update?
MLES: They’re 77, they just haven’t located yet, but they’re 77.
OP: 10:4.
OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..[/B]OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
OP: Lima 1118. Sierra 1120. She advises 10:84. 1118 was not working earlier.
MLES: Why not? (or what?)
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Reference call at 19 and 20. We believe it’s gonna all be in the city. If not, let us know. So far.
OP: So far.
FLE2: She’ll 10:8 to 51 to the south end. Also, I’ve talked to a (or the) City Supervisor, they’ve got a K-9 10:8 that’s gonna be en route.
OP: 10:4.
FLE2: When you get a good 10:8 from this location, if ya’ll just give him driving directions to where he needs to go.
OP: 10:4.
(static)
OP: 10:4. Go ahead.
FLE2: It’s off of Tyler. Take left. It’s a little dirt trail which comes around to Green Lane. Come in at back.
OP: 10:4. Tyler, take left, dirt trail, advise take right.
FLE2: 10:4. ______the first dirt road.
OP: 1256. 10:80 to LA Tuck (?).
MLES: Sierra 1120 to 1271.
MLES: 1120 to 1271.
MLE3: 1271. Go ahead sir.
MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)
MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: Make contact with Sgt. Riles (sp?) and when he calls in, patch him through to my cell please.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1118. I’m patching him through at this time.
FLE1: Thank you.
FLE1: 1118. 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 10:97. Sierra 1120 are you 10 on me, 7?
MLES: 1120. 10:97 area, hold on.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1 kilo 22.
MLES: 1120 to 1390, 19.
MLE4: 1319. Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Come on down to Buffalo Bluff Road and 17. Just start taking tags or stopping vehicles that are leaving from this area.
MLE4: 10:29.
MLE4: 1319. Send me en route from San Mateo.OP: 10:4.
MLE4: Caller 1319.
OP: 10:4. Caller 10:9 your location.
MLE4: We’re going to be on Buffalo Bluff, just off 17.
OP: 10:26. Thank you.
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Can we check with St.John Valusia(sp?), see if they can put a chopper in the air for us.
OP: 10:4.
FLE@: Also, if you'd contact Tenner at home and tell him I need him to get a boat preparted that would go into canal areas, one of the small ones, and get activated and head down this way.
OP: 10:4
FLE!: Lima 1118.
MLES: 1120 SO.
OP: Lima 1118.
FLE1: Believe Valusia (SP?) has a flare unit, I’m, I’m not sure, if they don’t have one, you may want to check with Valusia first.
FLE3: Lima 1118. As for reference Valusia having a flare, I’ll make the 25 on that. I’m trying to get Deputy Tenner on the phone.
FLE1: Okay. Thanks. 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120 SO.
OP: 1120.
MLES: When ya’ll make contact with uh, Deputy Tenner, advise him that it’s going to be east of the Hermit Cover Marine, in these canals, back on south/southwest of the railroad track.
OP: 10:20, Sir.
MLE5: 12, 1231.
OP: J91325, 1325, received at 3:27.
MLE: static
OP: 1231. Also, 1231 do you have a picture in reference to the Signal 8, so we can enter that.
MLE5: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: If you would, pull us the roster for day shift, ‘cause they were working today, go ahead and make contact with the Zone 2, Zone 1, Zone 7 Officers, tell them to take a 10:08.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: _____1173.
MLE: 1173. 10:08, 10:51 at Green Street.
OP: 10:4 to 51.
MLE: static
OP: 1271.
MLE1: 1256. 10:51. In control officially. (garbled, may be incorrect)
OP: 10:26.

End of taped transmission.



We know that MC called 911 a little after 3:00 am and according to this there was an officer still at 116 Tyler. the officer staes She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago she who? Haleigh?How long had he been there and why? Was this when "screams were heard by neighbors or because dogs were barking? Seriously do police respond to barking dogs at 2:00am or just wait until the next day?
I almost need to place this in two threads

ETA: http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php?