General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[gngr~snap]

I have some questions...hoping to get some answers...

If R picked H up at the bus stop...in the blue van..and he let H drive..home..then HE got out....and said goodbye to the others..Then did he get in another vehicle to go to work...What vehicle?? his truck??

He explained that H making the turn? into the driveway..was there a "scramble" for the blinker...If H was sitting on his lap, which blinker would she have to pull on..the right or left??? Was there a sudden stop!!! Did his airbag go off..with her sitting on his lap???...Does R seem to have to explain the turnsignal incident??? Just don't know what happened....

Sounds to me like Misty was just letting him out at his car??? IDK
He did not say "we got out"...

BBM~
she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
I do not understand his chioce of words. hit the blinker?
It's hinky IMO

 

[gngr~snap]

I guess my opinion of R letting H drive..sitting on his lap..and her turning on the blinkers while pulling turning on to the dirt road..there COULD have been an accident/bump/..that R/s airbag went off...not good if H was sitting on his lap....anyone else can explain what R is doing in the van? thanks

Just a thought but what if the airbags did not deploy (they can cause a lot of damage even be fatal... in a child that size. She should not even be in the front seat of a vehicle with airbags) say, Haleigh hit the steering wheel,dashboard or her face hit the blinker? She might have a better chance of survival. IMO...
Don't know a lot but I thought that airbags disabled the car? Until they are replaced.
Might explain Ron saying he "got out". (from behind the airbag)

If the airbags did deploy. Ron's hand injury could have been from that. I have heard that stuff flies out and can rip you up. I have seen fractured noses scratched corneas, broken glasses that cut the face up. But an adult sits higher than a child would even in someone's lap.
My airbags THANK GOD have never "gone off"
We heard the van had "scratches" never heard a comment about the airbags tho... but she couldn't have driven it the next day could she?

All MOO...

 

[justus4all]

Sounds to me like Misty was just letting him out at his car??? IDK
He did not say "we got out"...

BBM~
she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
I do not understand his chioce of words. hit the blinker?
It's hinky IMO

IMO..it sounds as if....there COULD have been a minor accident/even just a bump..with H driving and turning onto the dirt road...pulling on turn signals..(Wonder if H were steering the van WHILE pulling on the blinkers) the wheels COULD have hit the side of the ditch..just enough to bump H...OR.. R braking HARD..for control of the vehicle..or R's airbag went off...It is hard to tell how he is describing this incident.....Perhaps more info will turn up later...

 

[Karen Anne RN]

This is just a theory I wanted to explore a little - about Misty’s memory. I thought of putting it in the "Misty actually does not remember" thread – but the poll items there do not allow for this particular reason for Misty not remembering.

I have been thinking a lot about the relationship between fear and lies. And for each player, what could be the underlying fear that forces them to protect themselves with a lie.

I have also been thinking about the dreamlike testimony that Misty's been offering all along here. The fact that her recall is dream-like/foggy casts doubt that Misty is even trying to tell the truth.

It occurred to me today - (I must be feeling less cynical today – full moon syndrome?) – that, with regard to Misty, it might help to look outside box marked "CYA - LIARS" when looking at motivation for lying. So I took a deep cleansing breath and gave it a try.

I wondered if anyone working (investigating/counseling) Misty has worked with her to consider the affect of and history of traumatic childhood sexual abuse upon Misty’s memory. As I understand it, it's not uncommon that blackouts and/or dissociation and suppressed memory follow episodes of trauma/abuse in people who have suffered abuse as a child. (There is plenty of information about this on the net.)

Basically the brain becomes very adept – almost reflex-wired to block traumatic events as they are happening – and thereby block memory of those events. It’s a self-protection/self-comforting mechanism - permitting the child to otherwise survive and function through the duration of abuse. Even as an adult, this tendency to compensate by blocking out (even blacking out), when faced with trauma can persist.

I’m sure some of these folks (investigators) working with Misty must know this is a possibility with witnesses like Misty. Victims of childhood sexual abuse talk about "going someplace else" during the actual moments when they were about to be abused, then returning to themselves when the abuse was over. Trauma victims often don’t have recollection (e.g. car accidents, beatings). And if Misty was pre-wired this way from childhood trauma … all the more reason for her to have some sort of dissociative episode with the night Haleigh went missing.

It could explain why our only witness is fine with putting herself in the mobile home when Haleigh disappears, but continues to describe what she remembers as if in a dream-like state. It also could explain Misty’s empathy for Crystal.

Misty’s reaction & expression of empathy with regard to Crystal’s suffering was quite unexpected, IMO. I felt it was genuine. It seemed to come from a calm place – and it seemed to be something it finally occurred to her to think about. We’ve not seen here show that sort of empathy to anyone else. Not Haleigh, not even Ron, as far as I know. Is this empathy is an indication of the abuse she’s endured? Does her ability to relate to Crystal does means that deep down, she “gets” Crystal – such that Misty = Crystal = a pretty good reflection of herself.

A competent psychiatrist might be able to help LE determine if some sort of dissociation is the problem with Misty’s memory. I would think that by now, they’ve had her professionally evaluated. I hope they've determined if Misty is experiencing PTSD or dissociative memory issues with regard to the night Haleigh disappeared.

It's interesting that we've never heard about psychiatrists or doctors in her phone calls, etc. – or have we?

It's interesting that TN protected Misty and worked to get her help with her memory. (Too bad Tim Miller or LP just didn't get Misty to a psychiatrist.) Perhaps TN somehow understood that Misty was suppressing memories. Perhaps TN has done the same thing herself in her own life.

It's another way of looking at Misty-mystery-memory things. Sometimes taking off the cynic's glasses lets you see a little something you might have earlier missed. And, I thought it was worth a post...

Disclaimer :innocent: - I do not claim to be a person with any expertise in this area, nor any experience personally. All I did was read a little on-line about memory issues that can accompany childhood abuse.

All JMHO

I have wondered the same thing many times.. wondering if she developed MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder - now called DID. Dissociative Identity Disorder.)
I haven't seen anything in her behavior that would suggest that, but I have wondered. And it would account for a lapse in memory, and some confusion.

In her "if I knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here" interview when she was talking with her eyes closed, she makes a face, so to speak, with her mouth. It was a snarl, like a look of disgust. I wondered if she witnessed something, and her subconscious remembered it at that moment. JMO

 

[azwriter]

Since my response to the post below is a key element of my theory, I am bringing it to this thread.



Let me tell you a few things I didn’t expect him to do.

-I didn’t expect an innocent father of a missing child to hang up on the 911 operator TWICE during a call that was only 6 minutes in duration.

-I didn’t expect an innocent father of a missing child, when asked for the most basic of information, her date of birth, to respond with “DATE OF BIRTH? HER DATE OF BIRTH”

-I didn’t expect an innocent father of a missing child to repeatedly curse at the 911 operator and LE, pointedly calling them MOT**R *ERS.

-I didn’t expect that an innocent father of a missing child had ANYTHING better to do than to provide Law Enforcement with any assistance or information requested, especially during the initial, most critical time period for the recovery of a missing child.

But above all else, you know what I didn’t expect? I didn’t expect an innocent father of a missing child to MARRY the 17 year old “dumb ” that “let his child get stole” THIRTY DAYS later and get cake shoved in his mouth while over 100 dedicated MOT**R *ERS walked every inch of both sides of an 8 and ½ mile stretch of Hwy 17 searching for evidence regarding his missing child.

A click of the Thank You just wasn't enough. Thank you Papa for bringing forth these examples of Ron's behavior reporting his daughter missing on the 911 call and how he acted in the following months. Certainly not like a father frantic to find his child who he claims is his heart.
I'd like to add one more example of his strange reactions.
What father of a missing child complains to the press on camera that he is bothered by their attention. A grief sticken father would welcome any coverage, any chance to take his search for his daughter public to appeal to every soul watching and listening to help find her.
Instead, Ron tells the reporter to get out of his face the day he is at the tattoo parlor getting the tattoos of his children.
Regardless of whether Ron knows what happened to Haliegh or not, these examples of his indifference toward this tragic event certainly warrants suspicion to me.
JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

IMO..it sounds as if....there COULD have been a minor accident/even just a bump..with H driving and turning onto the dirt road...pulling on turn signals..(Wonder if H were steering the van WHILE pulling on the blinkers) the wheels COULD have hit the side of the ditch..just enough to bump H...OR.. R braking HARD..for control of the vehicle..or R's airbag went off...It is hard to tell how he is describing this incident.....Perhaps more info will turn up later...

Well a minor accident would not have resulted in her death. I saw some pictures that were posted here earlier today. IMO Haleigh looked almost like she had been in an automobile accident. But that was back in Nov of 2008.

Who knows! Seems like there have been several accidents.all at different times. TN, Hank Sr. the blue van... although it is unclear what happened there...maybe Ron had an accident with Haleigh in his Red car? The one he sold soon after Haleigh disappeared. Unless I am confused.

And! I admit right now, I am baffled to say the least.

ETA: OK my bad! looks like a red TRUCK and it was NOT RON'S!

 

[dodie20]

Audio tape transcript of Ron Cummings Discussing the day Haleigh disappeared.

~snipped for space...
My opinions in red...

ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay? red flag? anyone?
He used the word "hit" and covers it with right blinker. Did they have a wreck? Was haleigh severly injured? Which side of the blue van was damaged?
ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work. Ron said "I got out" so the others were still in the car?

ron: my daughter come up missing feb the 10th… feb. the 10th, at about
three 27, 28... i was there for about three minutes turning the house upside down and then told misty, call 911, call 911. call 911.
Ron searched for 3 min! wow.
ron: at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made. so, i must have pulled in at
about 3:23. they also have ummm surveilance videos from the top of the
hill where it goes from two lanes to 4 lanes… they asked me if i was
there what took me so long to get home? i said i stopped at the store…
well what store? i told em, well what did you buy? i said, i bought
a pack of basic lights in a box, i bought a pack of newport shorts
in a box, i bought a pack of honey roasted peanuts, i bought a pack of
salted peanuts, and i bought a 30 ounce Budweiser in a bottle.
Who is the "they" that asked him what took him so long to get home? He told "em". It really sounds like Misty was not alone IMO
He remembered every brand of cigarette just before he found out his daughter was "gone" but not his baby's date of birth... So V E R Y sad. :no:

HER blinker? oh really? MY house? again, oh really? Ron sure uses strange words.

 

[azwriter]

Sounds to me like Misty was just letting him out at his car??? IDK
He did not say "we got out"...

BBM~
she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
I do not understand his chioce of words. hit the blinker?
It's hinky IMO

Thanks gngr~snap for posting this. But the part I bolded sounds strange to me. Why would Ron say to go to my house. It was Haleigh's house too. Wouldn't he more easily had said to go to our house or home?
It's little bits of dialog like this that makes this story sound odd or made up. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work. Ron said "I got out" so the others were still in the car?

I think the story was that Ron got Haleigh from the bus stop and Misty and Jr stayed at the MH so they were never in the car in the first place.

But Misty said the reason they stayed behind was that Jr. was sleeping, so did Ron go in to give a hug and a kiss to his sleeping son?

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks gngr~snap for posting this. But the part I bolded sounds strange to me. Why would Ron say to go to my house. It was Haleigh's house too. Wouldn't he more easily had said to go to our house or home?
It's little bits of dialog like this that makes this story sound odd or made up. JMO

"Home" would come most naturally to me in that context. It was technically not even his house in all senses of the word, it was a home he had rented from a landlord whose house it was... But I think it may give an insight to his personality. He once referred to his daughter as property, and he kept calling her "my daughter", instead of using her name. When NG asked him about the brick he said it could have come from around "my shed", instead of "our shed". It's a kind of master of all he surveys mentality IMO. If he pays for it it's his, not anybody else's who might live there.

 

[gngr~snap]

Thanks gngr~snap for posting this. But the part I bolded sounds strange to me. Why would Ron say to go to my house. It was Haleigh's house too. Wouldn't he more easily had said to go to our house or home?
It's little bits of dialog like this that makes this story sound odd or made up. JMO

It's on audio tape if you would like to listen...

 

[gngr~snap]

HER blinker? oh really? MY house? again, oh really? Ron sure uses strange words.

I guess because he said my daughter, my lap, my house, but not my blinker either he doesn't want to be held responsible if anything did happen while Haleigh was "driving" OR it was not his vehicle not sure why he changed his wording...

 

[nomoresorrow]

~ Respectfully Snipped ~

Originally Posted by gngr~snap
Audio tape transcript of Ron Cummings Discussing the day Haleigh disappeared.

(BBM)
ron: at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made. so, i must have pulled in at
about 3:23. they also have ummm surveilance videos from the top of the
hill where it goes from two lanes to 4 lanes… they asked me if i was
there what took me so long to get home? i said i stopped at the store…
well what store? i told em, well what did you buy? i said, i bought
a pack of basic lights in a box, i bought a pack of newport shorts
in a box, i bought a pack of honey roasted peanuts, i bought a pack of
salted peanuts, and i bought a 30 ounce Budweiser in a bottle.

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TY for posting this gngr~snap. What I find unsettling about this is Ronald stating that LE asked him what took him so long to get home. I posted (below) this earlier on the Theories about Ron's breaks and work schedule thread - Now, after reading this, it narrows the "from work-to-home" timeline even more according to this account by Ronald.

My initial post;
From PDM Bridge LLC, Palatka, FL - Shift ends at 3:00 a.m
To
Kangaroo Express, 1171 U.S. 17, Satsuma, FL = 15.2 mi/about 22 mins
To
202 Green Lane, Satsuma, FL = 2.3 mi – about 6 mins
Total Time = 28 Minutes
Ronald would have arrived home at 3:28 a.m.

*This does not provide for any extra time needed for Ronald to walk to his vehicle after punching out at PDM, getting out of the parking lot, considering that other employees were getting out of work also, going into the KE to buy his beer, cigs, and peanuts, and searching around the home for HaLeigh before making the 911 call (rather, having Misty make the 911 call).
THE CALL CAME INTO 911 AT 3:27 A.M

If we allow even an extremely conservative extra 5 minutes for Ronald to walk to his vehicle, get out of the PDM parking lot, go into the KE to purchase beer, cigs, and peanuts, that would put him home at 3:33 a.m. Now, if Ronald actually searched around the home for HaLeigh as he claims, let's say even for 2 minutes, the earliest the 911 call would have been made would have been 3:35 a.m.

Clearly, based on Ronald's account; "at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made, so i must have pulled in at about 3:23." (end quote) There is NO WAY POSSIBLE he got out of work (PDM) at 3:00 a.m. and would have/could have been home by 3:23 a.m. If, as he claims, LE questioned him about why it took so long for him to get home, obviously we (the public) have been seriously misled about what time Ronald Cumming's work shift ended at PDM that late night/early morning of HaLeigh's disappearance. That would also mean that LE has allowed this account (Ron's shift ended at 3 a.m...) to be repeated over and over again by media outlets without making any corrections. More importantly to me, it means that, while they (LE) haven't had a problem calling Misty out on national television about inconsistancies in her story, they've omitted publicly any mention of Ronald's. And that does not sit well with me. JMHO ~

 

[gngr~snap]

I think the story was that Ron got Haleigh from the bus stop and Misty and Jr stayed at the MH so they were never in the car in the first place.

But Misty said the reason they stayed behind was that Jr. was sleeping, so did Ron go in to give a hug and a kiss to his sleeping son?

I'm being too nit picky I know! But he and his child were in the car coming home from the bus stop. Seems like he'd say we got out and I gave her a kiss.
IMO he could be saying I got out and kissed her... Haleigh stayed in the car?
I also wonder if Haleigh stayed in the car to play in it? MOO

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I do not know? But Ron said Haleigh drove the van home from the bus stop. Obviously the van was not headed home...
got any ideas?

I was replying to this post:
"OK before I lose my train of thought. If Misty had the blue van when she picked Haleigh up... where could she have gone? To the dealer that gave her bad pills? Did she take the children with her to handle that?
If she had gone to see Hank... she would have been gone for very long time. So no way was she home with the A/C guy or for GGMS...
Did she meet up with RC before work?
GAH! I wish I knew! but she was NOT headed back to the MH from what I gather.. MOO"

I heard that Misty drove in the opposite direction of the MH when they left the school, and I wondered what would be in that direction.

 

[azwriter]

It's on audio tape if you would like to listen...

Thanks gngr~snap, but I've heard the tape. To me it just seems odd for Ron to say "my" house instead of "our" house. As if, Haleigh didn't even live there or wasn't part of the household. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?

The "F the W, S my D" part and the "okay?" in the end are red flags in this for me. He's goes to an angry attack to defend himself and then appeals to Cobra to agree with him, but why? Maybe he's just been notified that letting a five year old drive is a traffic safety issue but I wonder if there's more.

 

[azwriter]

"Home" would come most naturally to me in that context. It was technically not even his house in all senses of the word, it was a home he had rented from a landlord whose house it was... But I think it may give an insight to his personality. He once referred to his daughter as property, and he kept calling her "my daughter", instead of using her name. When NG asked him about the brick he said it could have come from around "my shed", instead of "our shed". It's a kind of master of all he surveys mentality IMO. If he pays for it it's his, not anybody else's who might live there.

You know, that's a pretty clear explanation. Ron does seem to take personal ownership of people and things, doesn't he? No one else seems to matter. So sad.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

what about Misty? Did Ron pick her up that morning so she could walk Haleigh into school? I don't think so but that's moo

I read earlier up that she went back to the MH on Sunday, and then another post said Monday afternoon. So I don't know. I don't even know why he would be driving the blue van instead of his truck. I'm so confused, at this point the only thing that I know for sure is that we don't know where HaLeigh is. :banghead:

 

[gngr~snap]

Clearly, based on Ronald's account; "at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made, so i must have pulled in at about 3:23." (end quote) There is NO WAY POSSIBLE he got out of work (PDM) at 3:00 a.m. and would have/could have been home by 3:23 a.m. If, as he claims, LE questioned him about why it took so long for him to get home, obviously we (the public) have been seriously misled about what time Ronald Cumming's work shift ended at PDM that late night/early morning of HaLeigh's disappearance. That would also mean that LE has allowed this account (Ron's shift ended at 3 a.m...) to be repeated over and over again by media outlets without making any corrections. More importantly to me, it means that, while they (LE) haven't had a problem calling Misty out on national television about inconsistancies in her story, they've omitted publicly any mention of Ronald's. And that does not sit well with me. JMHO ~

respectfully snipped~

Well pull up a chair and well talk... J/K. :crazy: And add to that Ron is talking about cameras??? up on the hill? WHY? LE said they knew Ron's where abouts that night and were satisfied. Did he also know LE was looking for him?

I think the 116 Tyler located cop was waiting for him.... but why?
Hmm the plot thickens...