General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[lonetraveler]

I've heard Timmy and Chelsey are back in Florida which IF true really surprised me considering Tommy had stated Timmy couldn't risk coming back. So IF they do know anything concerning what really happened to Haleigh hopefully they are working with LE to cut a deal and get immunity .JMHOOTS

One can only hope that Timmy and Chelsey returning to Florida means that someone has a conscience and is willing to tell what they know about that night. Although I know that we all know that being a couple thousand miles away didn't mean that the long arm of the law couldn't find and bring them in if LE thought they had a reason, I'm sure that Timmy was a nervous wreck coming back into the fray. Maybe Hank Sr. talked them into coming back to tell what he and Chesley know.

 

[Chablis]

Reportedly, the last comments from cousin Joe was that he was at Timmy's house and it was Chelsey and Timmy who left in the van that night. You could be totally correct in that Chelsey may be covering for any involvement by she and Timmy. (I'm still trying to connect the dots on the Haleigh Angel tattoo on her foot). I do believe that Misty's first call for help or in panic or both would have been to Chelsey and Timmy. Yep, Misty and Ron could have been arguing about he wanting to involve her family to help with the clean up.

See, I dont get the sinister thinkings about a tattoo after the cops publicly say Haleigh is dead, this is a homicide case, if anyone should be asking any questions about suspicious tattoos the focus needs to be swung to Ron Cummings who memorialized his missing daughter and branded her his little girl forever and talked about her in the past tense right after this all happened. Chelsea really knew Haleigh, and what mother does not have a soft spot about this tragedy? The interactions between Ron and Timmy does not fit people in cahoots over the death of a child, it just really doesn't.

 

[dodie20]

BBM

That's just one of many contradictory statements made by members of this little girl's family. It is also, quite possibly, an example of what Capt. Greenwood was referring to in this recent quote:



That, my friend, is considerably beyond depressing for me.

but maybe it's not so depressing. Every changed story, should lead LE closer to the truth. If certain people aren't involved, they'd have no reason to change anything, much less lie. Ron has been changing stories since the beginning. As a matter of fact, it's MOO, that most of Misty's discrepancies, rooted with him. IDK why she took the brunt of the criticism, but somewhere along the way, Ron got a pass. If LE was trying to make him feel comfortable, I don't see that it helped anything. It just pushed Misty further into a shell. MOO. But, based on recent statements, LE seems to be changing tactics. It's about time!

 

[dodie20]

See, I dont get the sinister thinkings about a tattoo after the cops publicly say Haleigh is dead, this is a homicide case, if anyone should be asking any questions about suspicious tattoos the focus needs to be swung to Ron Cummings who memorialized his missing daughter and branded her his little girl forever and talked about her in the past tense right after this all happened. Chelsea really knew Haleigh, and what mother does not have a soft spot about this tragedy? The interactions between Ron and Timmy does not fit people in cahoots over the death of a child, it just really doesn't.

Ron's tattoo doesn't bother me, but the timing does. I associate those things with memorials. Even if in his gut, he suspected that Haleigh was gone, (& I can understand that), it was still too soon, to give up hope. MOO. I know people who have gotten similar tattoos, & they've all been during a certain part of the grieving process. The tats make them feel closer to their dead loved ones. MOO. not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule, but I've never seen it.

 

[Chablis]

Ron's tattoo doesn't bother me, but the timing does. I associate those things with memorials. Even if in his gut, he suspected that Haleigh was gone, (& I can understand that), it was still too soon, to give up hope. MOO. I know people who have gotten similar tattoos, & they've all been during a certain part of the grieving process. The tats make them feel closer to their dead loved ones. MOO. not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule, but I've never seen it.

You know what? You just made me think of something that furthers my belief Ron is responsible. When he got those tattoos, he said something after to the effect of, I have my kids on me and thats how they would always be with him, and to me those are the words of a man who knows a prison sentence is looming, and I dont think he ever thought it would be for drugs.

 

[dodie20]

Reportedly, the last comments from cousin Joe was that he was at Timmy's house and it was Chelsey and Timmy who left in the van that night. You could be totally correct in that Chelsey may be covering for any involvement by she and Timmy. (I'm still trying to connect the dots on the Haleigh Angel tattoo on her foot). I do believe that Misty's first call for help or in panic or both would have been to Chelsey and Timmy. Yep, Misty and Ron could have been arguing about he wanting to involve her family to help with the clean up.

So, JO says that T & CC left in the van? I wonder what time...& where were their kids? If they were helping Misty, surely they wouldn't have taken them, & considering the bad mouthing that family has given JO, surely they didn't let him babysit. I wonder if their kids were interviewed. In Misty's LVA, she made it clear IMO, that she'd turn to T, in time of need. If that night wasn't a time of need, IDK what is. IDK which one said it, (probably CC, cuz she talks a lot), but it was said that she & T were interviewd for many hours. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

One can only hope that Timmy and Chelsey returning to Florida means that someone has a conscience and is willing to tell what they know about that night. Although I know that we all know that being a couple thousand miles away didn't mean that the long arm of the law couldn't find and bring them in if LE thought they had a reason, I'm sure that Timmy was a nervous wreck coming back into the fray. Maybe Hank Sr. talked them into coming back to tell what he and Chesley know.

I know I shouldn't get my hopes up, but I think Misty's been talking. She seemed really emotional during her last hearing, & I think LE got to her. The last few stories I've read, concerning her, have all been about her crying & being upset. I don't think those tears have been for herself, because the stories center around interviews with LE. When she's dealing with herself, (her drug case), she seems pretty stoic. IDK, but maybe Misty realizes the jig is up. I've worried about her detachment, but who knows...maybe LE has a way of reeling her in.

 

[krkrjx]

Wow, you must have read my mind on this subject. I have thought the same thing about this ever since I heard that Ron had called on a land line at Misty's parent's house. I agree; I think that he called Tommy and Lindsey's house that night, not the Magnolia address. Then again, you wonder if Misty was sleeping at the Magnolia address since Lisa was with Hank at the hospital. Maybe Misty was found and pursuaded to go over to Ron's MH.

What we do not know is if Ron called Magnolia perhaps intending to reach Misty--and Tommy just happened to be there and took the call, or if he called Magnolia intending to reach Tommy. If the latter is the case, it would indicate Ron expected Tommy to be at the Magnolia MH. If Misty was AWOL, I could understand why Ron might think she could be at Magnolia, either hiding out or sleeping off her weekend, but I would question why Ron would expect Tommy to be at Magnolia.

It has been confirmed by both Ron and his attorney that Ron did speak with Tommy on the phone. IMO, Ron either called Tommy at Tyler, or he called Misty at Magnolia and Tommy was there and answered the phone.

I think this is important given LE is not sure where the crime scene is. It could be Green Lane, it could be Magnolia, it could even be Tyler Street. Or it could be a place known well to the players and no one else.

I would like to know who Ron was trying to reach that night--was he still trying to reach Misty or was he trying to reach Tommy specifically? Ron denied asking Tommy to go to Green Lane, but he has never denied speaking with Tommy by phone, nor has he denied that he had specifically called (wherever) to speak with Tommy.

I am at a point where I believe that the first light that will be shed on this case will come from Junior--maybe in a few years he will talk of what he remembers. Could be that at some point Junior may tell where he was/who he was with.

 

[dodie20]

What we do not know is if Ron called Magnolia perhaps intending to reach Misty--and Tommy just happened to be there and took the call, or if he called Magnolia intending to reach Tommy. If the latter is the case, it would indicate Ron expected Tommy to be at the Magnolia MH. If Misty was AWOL, I could understand why Ron might think she could be at Magnolia, either hiding out or sleeping off her weekend, but I would question why Ron would expect Tommy to be at Magnolia.

It has been confirmed by both Ron and his attorney that Ron did speak with Tommy on the phone. IMO, Ron either called Tommy at Tyler, or he called Misty at Magnolia and Tommy was there and answered the phone.

I think this is important given LE is not sure where the crime scene is. It could be Green Lane, it could be Magnolia, it could even be Tyler Street. Or it could be a place known well to the players and no one else.

I would like to know who Ron was trying to reach that night--was he still trying to reach Misty or was he trying to reach Tommy specifically? Ron denied asking Tommy to go to Green Lane, but he has never denied speaking with Tommy by phone, nor has he denied that he had specifically called (wherever) to speak with Tommy.

I am at a point where I believe that the first light that will be shed on this case will come from Junior--maybe in a few years he will talk of what he remembers. Could be that at some point Junior may tell where he was/who he was with.

If Jr has been surrounded with news, and/or overly positive or negative opinions towards certain people & events, I'm not sure how clear his memory would be. But by the same token, if the subjects were avoided in an attempt to keep his memory clear, his memories might fade...so IDK what should be done there. maybe LE got what they needed from him. But about the phone call to Tommy...those are some good points about the addresses. How long had H & LC been at that address? & would they have had a landline? Yes Ron, through his lawyer, did deny asking Tommy to go to his trailer, but he did admit to asking if Misty was there. So, like you said, was he just looking for Misty, in general, or did he think she might be with Tommy? That part is unclear. & very important.

 

[suspicious1]

When Tommy told the 'Joe did it' story, I felt that story was all his. Misty was just there to verify his account? but something kept LE from believing him. Yes, they conducted the search, so they must've gotten something from him, but something didn't add up, hence, no deal for Tommy. Cops have phone records, I'm almost sure, so I wonder if Tommy's story didn't fit, because of pings from Misty's phone. She couldn't have been at the trailer at the time he claimed? He later tried to change the time, so it looks like something scared him, but cops said no go, & stuck with the original time. He said Ron called at 9 or so, & then he went by to check the trailer, & I think he kept his & Joe's times around that same time...so, where was Misty if her phone was pinging somewhere else? The neighbors said that Misty often left the kids while Ron was at work. What if he didn't know that? They hadn't lived there long, so the neighbors might not have felt comfortable telling him...especially if they heard their fights. I can understand Misty's initial inclination to not own up to being gone...but still? Maybe Ron DID know, but didn't want that information out there, so they agreed to keep it to themselves. IDK, but I'm considering that something relatively small, like Misty being gone, snowballed out of control. If this is true, what would be Ron's motivation, for not admitting it now? I guess it would be because he knows that Misty isn't the perp, & knows that the cops know that too. So, what would be the point? They can't stand her, & this information wouldn't clear her, because's she's not a suspect & doesn't need to be cleared. So...who benefits from her holding on to that information? My guess is Ron...but I don't know how. Didn't TN recently say that she thinks Misty slept through the whole thing? Why is it important that Misty be in that trailer? How could her being gone, hurt Ron? If I understand his deal, he has to be truthful in court. Does he also have to be truthful in interviews? If he knows for a fact that Misty was gone, but isn't admitting it, could that void his deal? When Tommy told his 'banging on the trailer door' story, Ron through his lawyer, denied that he asked Tommy to go over there. So, he understood the significance, & wanted no part of it. Tommy backed down. So, this makes me think, that by this point anyway, Ron had a good idea of what happened. What would Ron, personally, have to cover up? something, after the fact? something that would look terrible, but not get him into as much trouble as Tommy? even though that's what it seems like, that's hard to swallow. Would Ron go to extremes to cover up for Misty? I don't think he'd risk his deal for her, so IDK.

Dodie, you have made some very good points....Think about this: If Misty came out and admitted that she was not there, what questions would come to mind?

Where were the kids?
Why did she lie about about being there?
So what was the conversation between her and Ron about around 8:30 that resulted in her turning off her phone?
Why did Ron call Tommy around 9pm?

IMO, it would be very important that Misty hold onto that little information..Why?

She would then have to reveal where the kids were or who was actually watching them while Ron was at work. It makes me think about the story of TN or Misty offering to pay one or the other to babysit. My money is on TN offering to pay Misty. It just makes sense to me and IMO it fits with everything else going on at the time. That little bit of information would also IMO shift the blame onto someone else...and if not Ron (considering he was at work), then who? My money is on TN...

Misty not being at the trailor may not hurt Ron but it may hurt someone very close and dear to him....also, Ron may not have risked his deal for Misty but he probably would for one of his own. IMO, Ron had to cover for Misty because Misty was covering for someone close to him. It only makes sense because clearly Misty is covering for someone. JMO as always....

 

[Nonni Brenda]

If I knew how to show dodie's post too that you were replying to, I would. Anyway, I've always held the opinion that Ron had left the children alone and locked inside the MH sometimes. Ron and Misty had been fighting and maybe when it came time for Ron to go to work, he didn't have a babysitter. Maybe he gave Haleigh a drug to make her go to sleep and probably Jr. too. He most likely called his mother to let her know that she needed to come over to babysit. When TN arrived, Haleigh was in a very bad condition so she called her mother to fetch Aunt Elisa (the nurse) and to come over right away. It was too late for Haleigh, she was deceased. There had to be a lot of brain storming going on to plan on what to do next. I think that Haleigh was handed over to another family member to put into a place where she could not be found. TN and Ron would have to cover up the fact that he overdosed a small child and left the children alone in the MH. Misty had to be talked into coming over to the MH and "act" as if she had been babysitting that night. First TN and Ron had to find her and convince her to go over to the MH. TN offered to pay Misty to babysit (according to Misty). Ron called Tommy trying to find Misty. Misty as reported by a neighbor was seen walking, crying and talking on the phone at just after 2:00 am. It was also reported that a woman's scream was heard at around the same time. I think this is when Misty arrived at the MH and found Haleigh missing. The coverup was for the drug overdose Ron gave Haleigh and for leaving the children alone. JMO

LT, I think that when (and if) the truth ever comes out, this theory, of all we've come up with, will come nearer to being what really happened. This is all that explains why Ron's family is so determined to keep all the secrets. I hope and pray we know someday, and Haleigh can finally have justice.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Lawyer KP said Ron hadn't been up front with his work hours, so it's safe to say, according to her information, Ron wasn't at his job, during the hours he claims...whatever those hours are, because there have been several variations. If he did leave work to look for Misty, but didn't check on the kids...that would be bad. What if he was out & about while someone was snatching Haleigh? idk if that's feasible, because it would take a certain allignment of coincidences, that just aren't likely.I wish KP had elaborated & not left us hanging. MOO.

I wish Levi could get KP back on his show and ask her some of these questions...

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Well, I never did believe the romantic story TN told about them sitting up & working out their problems. That was just weird. I too doubt Misty was there that night, but something was up, because they all told some unbelievable stories about that night & the next morning. & this must concern Ron or Misty & some kind of activity, because why hide it? I have no idea what he did that night, but a witness puts him reckless driving around the bus stop the next morning. I read that Haleigh had stained her clothes, but I also read that she wanted a favorite outfit, but going to AS's makes no sense. Misty claims to have walked Haleigh to her class, but I don't think anyone has verified it. How did Haleigh get to school? The witness only saw Ron, so was Haleigh somewhere else? Ron's picking Haleigh up from the bus stop story, is so unbelievable, IMO, that I have to go with the witnesses, who say Misty picked her up, without Ron. So, what was he doing? But then I wonder why CC claims to have seen him...she doesn't like him, so who is she protecting with her own unbelievable story? MOO.

BBM
CC could be protecting Timmy? if he and Ron were doing something illegal together...i don't thinks she would protect anyone but Timmy or herself, unless it would be Misty.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

what we know, which has been verified from outside sources. Misty spent at least the weekend with friends, including WBG, partying. Ron had a fight with Joe over a gun. Ron was seen driving recklessly around the bus stop. Haleigh made it to school. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop...looking worn out, smacking Jr in the face, & arguing with LC & a guy, over what sounded like bad dope. LC & the guy sped off. The AC guy was at the trailer. Ron went to work either before or after the AC guy was there. Misty didn't want to babysit. Misty & Ron talked on the phone. Misty turned her phone off. Ron called Tommy. Tommy put himself at the trailer. A female scream was heard from the trailer. Misty was seen in the yard, pacing, crying, & talking on the phone. Ron got home. Misty called 911. There were some sort of hits on the dumpster. Misty failed several LDTs. ok, I'm thinking about the female scream. Would finding Haleigh gone, be enough to make Misty scream, or did she find her dead or dying? I'm not sure Haleigh being gone would be enough, unless she knew from the blocked door etc...that she had been taken. During the pre interview before the hypnosis, Misty made the comment that she didn't know who took Haleigh & hadn't heard before hand, that she was going to be taken. Was this a slip? loose talk? or was she referring to what LE was implying? From reading over this, it looks like arguing & fighting, were going on between Ron & Misty's family & somebody might have threatened to retaliate. & I wonder if FH's version of Misty being in on the gun theft ties in. good grief, this takes me back to Tommy's Joe story. Could he have been telling the truth? or almost the truth? LE DID base the Shell Harbor search on the story, so they got something...but Tommy didn't get a deal. & I don't think it's because he completely lied. He told some truth, IMO, & that's why he hasn't recanted. Misty on the other hand, has backed away from the story. If something similar to Tommy's story did go down, I would bet a lot of money, that Misty wasn't there. MOO. about the AC guy...I'm not sure I believe Misty's story about calling & informing Ron. I think he might have still been at home, & that's the reason AS, much later, alibied Ron. MOO, but her story has changed & what happened to the aunt? & wasn't it about a month after the abduction, that she came out with the story? MOO

BBM
Dodie, could it have been...Ron called Tommy to go and check on Misty. Tommy took Joe with him, found Misty not there. Then Ron and Joe being high on something hurt and killed Haleigh?
But that still doesn't explain Misty's screams, and Tn's covering it all up. Never mind...I'm back to LT's theory of Ron giving Haleigh something to make her sleep, TN coming to check on her, calling nursie auntie, etc.:crazy:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Confusing I know but I also believe that Misty picked up Haleigh at the busstop that afternoon. There are theories out there that Ron may have followed Misty and an argument ensued and Ron took Haleigh from her and that is why there could have been "no babysitter" for that night. Ron may have told her he would never let her back into the house, we don't know. But, maybe TN called Misty later and offered to pay her to come over. Misty's answer to her (reportedly) was that "she would only come over if it was OK with Ron. Maybe it wasn't OK with Ron so the children ended up being locked into the house and Ron asked his mother to go over. That is why I think that she, TN, may have discovered an overdosed Haleigh and then the desperate calls to Misty were placed.

Yep! This sounds so plausible. I'm trying to find wholes in this theory, but see none.ullhair:

OMG I see I have made the last 5 posts. Talking to myself...again.

 

[dodie20]

BBM
Dodie, could it have been...Ron called Tommy to go and check on Misty. Tommy took Joe with him, found Misty not there. Then Ron and Joe being high on something hurt and killed Haleigh?
But that still doesn't explain Misty's screams, and Tn's covering it all up. Never mind...I'm back to LT's theory of Ron giving Haleigh something to make her sleep, TN coming to check on her, calling nursie auntie, etc.:crazy:

AS didn't come out with her story for awhile...a few weeks or so, I think. If she was indeed over there, then there has to be a reason, this story wasn't already public.(maybe because of the aunt?) About that time, Ron was taking a lot of heat & it was being speculated that Misty hadn't been at the trailer the whole night. AS supposedly came forward, to prove that Misty was there. But really, this story alibied Ron more than anything, because it put Haleigh at the trailer while he was at work.

 

[Levi]

I wish Levi could get KP back on his show and ask her some of these questions...

There are two witnesses that gave sworn statements that were taped to law enforcement. They were both questioned by Detective Peggy Cone early on in the case.

Those two witnesses claim that Ron was not at work the night Haleigh went missing. Those two witnesses claim that while the EVENING NEWS WAS ON, Ronald Cummings was at one of their homes, ranting, raving, asking for money, and waving around a handgun.

Ron was talking about robbing a crack dealer... These two individuals thought he was crazy, didn't give Ronald money, and went back in to finish the news. One of them even made the statement that they were gonna see Ron on the news one day. They woke up the next morning and they watched Ronald on the news crying about his missing child.

Law enforcement has this information, coupled with information by Ron's co workers at PDM that claimed he was known to sneak out of work.

I have tried to contact one of the witnesses to talk with them myself, but my phone calls were not returned.

 

[Levi]

Just to be clear when I said they claim he was not at work, they claim he was not at work around the time the evening news is on. Around 6 PM.

I do know that there are pings that place Ron at work at around 8 - 8:30 PM.

So he was at work at some point.

But as you can see, holes can be poked in Ron's alibi. Members of the PCSO have even told Ron and his family that. Which is why the relationship between Ron and LE is rocky to say the least.

 

[Levi]

Levi can expalin it much better than I can but my understanding is IF someone is involved in any way with the death of a child and withholds information they are an accomplice and can recieve the same punishment as the person who has committed the crime.

I doubt those were the exact words Levi used in explaining it to me but I got the impression from what he told me.. They could all go down for knowing what happened and not reporting the truth to LE. JMHO

Levi where are you?

It is called felony murder or party to a crime. The theory is that "the hand of one is the hand of all" or "in for a penny in for a pound." If you are involved in any way, your guilt is identical to the person who actually did the killing.

If any of these players were smart, some of the less culpable would call a meeting with LE, ask for immunity or some sort of deal. Strap up to a polygraph and spill the beans.

I think right now they have called LE's bluff... They would rather go down for drugs than murder. The ones that MAY hold info are that are free, are thinking after two years, they are home free.

 

[dodie20]

yeah, they think they're home free, but they're rotting in prison. The one with the least culpability will eventually talk. unless that's Misty. She seems uncrackable & ok with her sentence. MOO. I go back & forth on that girl. If Tommy's the least culpable, he'd better get to crackin'. My theory after the drug bust was that the guiltiest would jump first. My husband thought it would be the least guilty. Well, Tommy jumped 1st, so which one of us was right? Heck, we're probably both be wrong.