General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

The thing that has always stuck in my mind was Misty in one of her jailhouse tapes. She said when people find out what really happened she would be mother of the year or something close to that.
It seemed to imply Misty might have thought Haleigh was alive and being hid. If it had been anyone but Misty I might even believe that. Misty does not strike me as a martyr.
But for some reason her statement keeps nagging at me.

It stuck with me, because she sounded believable.

 

[dodie20]

ok, I just watched the LVA & I'm feeling a lot of different emotions, right now. 1st of all, the interviewer wasn't very good & didn't seem prepared. Secondly, Misty was a wreck. I saw real trauma there & I know I'm gonna be ridiculed, but I really don't think she hurt Haleigh. Is she hiding something? probably, but I'm not sure it's a lot. When she talked about her brother, she seemed genuinely upset, (hiccuping & gulping excessively), & what a lot of people see as her throwing him under the bus, I see as fear. She mentions that the cops think Tommy had something to do with this, & how they keep saying things about him, & I don't think she made that up. Also, when she was talking about her dad not fitting into their vehicle, she got really quivery...but she was also talking about Joe, so I'm not sure what set her off. After watching this tape, a few things jump out at me. Her saying she had 4 suspects, & then changing it to 3 & her 'almost forming' the letter R. & I'm still surprised that the interviewer asked about Ron. & Misty did supposedly show deception on him. But, I'm not sure how good this guy is. & to Ron's benefit, Misty may have showed deception for other reasons. She said she didn't know why she had doubt in her mind. The interviewer should've taken that a little further & said if he detected decption on her not knowing why she had doubt. Overall, this test made me feel Misty's anguish & made me mad about her being hounded, so fiercely. I'm gonna watch it again later. Now that I know what to expect, maybe it won't make me so emotional.

sorry to quote myself, but I wanted to add a couple of things. It probably doesn't mean much, but Misty talked about how she always thought that Tommy would make something of himself & never do drugs. When HC testified for Tommy, he gave the same speech. Also, I can't remember any consecutive dates, but I wonder what kind of domino effect, Misty's deception on Ron caused. because I doubt he just shrugged it off. I bet he & his family went ballistic.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Water, washing mentioned in affidavits are red flags at times. She adds Pee to the list which in my mind was unnecessary to say. She seems very turned off by it to..maybe digust is a better word.

We have not got one good piece of info about this case from LE. Cummings/Croslins are all liars and nothing they say is necessarily near the truth. I will never believe that mc and rc were back together on Feb 9. Since I don't believe they were a couple, that makes TN as another who is not telling the truth but is struggling to provide a cohesive picture of the couple. Why? There will be found some answers.

Tn mentioned that she sent "A family member" over to check on the kids. Does that mean there was reason/worry to do so? Why didn't TN go over there? Was she close by in her single wide trailer, if so; y was it neccesary to send her mother instead? Does that bother anyone but me? Where was TN on Feb 9? Did rc call her when he and misty were fighting? If so, I wonder what time he called.

BBM
I wonder what Peter Hyatt (Statement Analysis) would tell us about Misty's "loose" statements. Does anyone know if he has analyzed any of these tapes, and where we can find that?

 

[SweetDreamOfYou]

It stuck with me, because she sounded believable.

TY Dodie I think you hit the nail on the head. It felt like a truth from a bold face liar. It stood out. I guess that's why it struck me. If it's a truth I would love to know that detail. I wish Misty would fill us in.

 

[dodie20]

I've been thinking about how someone could get involved in a murder cover-up. Say someone gives a neighbor a cell phone & asks him to call a certain number at such & such time. If these 2 men are pretty friendly, & he owes him a favor, for say drugs, he might agree to go along...justifying it by thinking, 'this guy is cool & whatever trouble he's in, is small'. But then the cops interview him & ask him to sign a sworn statement, stating that he witnessed the neighbor, himself, make that call. Realizing that this is going farther than he anticipated, he has an internal struggle. Should he fess up to his 'little role', or sign the paper? Not trusting cops anyway, & not wanting to cause trouble for his friend or himself, he signs the statement...justifying it by thinking, 'this will all get worked out soon'. But it doesn't & in a couple of days, his neighbor asks for another favor...to get rid of a gun. Knowing that he REALLY doesn't need to do that, he does it anyway. Why? He can't really say, except that he's scared to deny his friend & even more scared to tell the cops...& HE'LL be the one to have to snitch about the gun! & he's no snitch. So, getting in deep now, he gets rid of the gun. & it goes on & on, with him being a main witness for the guy, he now calls 'friend'. & even though he's not a bad person, & doesn't want to be involved, he doesn't do the right thing. So thinking along these lines, I can see how certain people- people who might actually know very little, got caught up in the Haleigh case. They may have lied, done 'favors', or even agreed to do something illegal, after the fact. Because when it's all said & done, the cops are not these people's friends, & if they snitch, the cops won't be there for them. They'll be on their own, to deal with the aftermath. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

When Tommy told the 'Joe did it' story, I felt that story was all his. Misty was just there to verify his account? but something kept LE from believing him. Yes, they conducted the search, so they must've gotten something from him, but something didn't add up, hence, no deal for Tommy. Cops have phone records, I'm almost sure, so I wonder if Tommy's story didn't fit, because of pings from Misty's phone. She couldn't have been at the trailer at the time he claimed? He later tried to change the time, so it looks like something scared him, but cops said no go, & stuck with the original time. He said Ron called at 9 or so, & then he went by to check the trailer, & I think he kept his & Joe's times around that same time...so, where was Misty if her phone was pinging somewhere else? The neighbors said that Misty often left the kids while Ron was at work. What if he didn't know that? They hadn't lived there long, so the neighbors might not have felt comfortable telling him...especially if they heard their fights. I can understand Misty's initial inclination to not own up to being gone...but still? Maybe Ron DID know, but didn't want that information out there, so they agreed to keep it to themselves. IDK, but I'm considering that something relatively small, like Misty being gone, snowballed out of control. If this is true, what would be Ron's motivation, for not admitting it now? I guess it would be because he knows that Misty isn't the perp, & knows that the cops know that too. So, what would be the point? They can't stand her, & this information wouldn't clear her, because's she's not a suspect & doesn't need to be cleared. So...who benefits from her holding on to that information? My guess is Ron...but I don't know how. Didn't TN recently say that she thinks Misty slept through the whole thing? Why is it important that Misty be in that trailer? How could her being gone, hurt Ron? If I understand his deal, he has to be truthful in court. Does he also have to be truthful in interviews? If he knows for a fact that Misty was gone, but isn't admitting it, could that void his deal? When Tommy told his 'banging on the trailer door' story, Ron through his lawyer, denied that he asked Tommy to go over there. So, he understood the significance, & wanted no part of it. Tommy backed down. So, this makes me think, that by this point anyway, Ron had a good idea of what happened. What would Ron, personally, have to cover up? something, after the fact? something that would look terrible, but not get him into as much trouble as Tommy? even though that's what it seems like, that's hard to swallow. Would Ron go to extremes to cover up for Misty? I don't think he'd risk his deal for her, so IDK.

 

[4Jacy]

4Jacy - it may not work for you but are you basing that on your "theory" or experience? I've been where Crystal S. was with RC and you do what you have to do to survive "for the kids". Not much sense in letting him go overboard and take out the whole family to prove he's the "big man". It happens more than people realize. She had custody of the kids. He took them. Snuck them back to Florida and pretended he was taking them for a visit. He just never brought them back. She had already been threatened with her life by RC and she knew he wasn't kidding. So, to say that the "mama bear" instinct would take over and you would run with the kids is the only answer is not a one size fits all solution. Unless you've been in those shoes, you don't know what you would do........from one minute to the next.

Baz, I won't go into detail, but, yes, everyone bashing, I have been in those shoes. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't nice, but I did what I considered to be the best (only) thing to do for me and my wonderful son.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

When Tommy told the 'Joe did it' story, I felt that story was all his. Misty was just there to verify his account? but something kept LE from believing him. Yes, they conducted the search, so they must've gotten something from him, but something didn't add up, hence, no deal for Tommy. Cops have phone records, I'm almost sure, so I wonder if Tommy's story didn't fit, because of pings from Misty's phone. She couldn't have been at the trailer at the time he claimed? He later tried to change the time, so it looks like something scared him, but cops said no go, & stuck with the original time. He said Ron called at 9 or so, & then he went by to check the trailer, & I think he kept his & Joe's times around that same time...so, where was Misty if her phone was pinging somewhere else? The neighbors said that Misty often left the kids while Ron was at work. What if he didn't know that? They hadn't lived there long, so the neighbors might not have felt comfortable telling him...especially if they heard their fights. I can understand Misty's initial inclination to not own up to being gone...but still? Maybe Ron DID know, but didn't want that information out there, so they agreed to keep it to themselves. IDK, but I'm considering that something relatively small, like Misty being gone, snowballed out of control. If this is true, what would be Ron's motivation, for not admitting it now? I guess it would be because he knows that Misty isn't the perp, & knows that the cops know that too. So, what would be the point? They can't stand her, & this information wouldn't clear her, because's she's not a suspect & doesn't need to be cleared. So...who benefits from her holding on to that information? My guess is Ron...but I don't know how. Didn't TN recently say that she thinks Misty slept through the whole thing? Why is it important that Misty be in that trailer? How could her being gone, hurt Ron? If I understand his deal, he has to be truthful in court. Does he also have to be truthful in interviews? If he knows for a fact that Misty was gone, but isn't admitting it, could that void his deal? When Tommy told his 'banging on the trailer door' story, Ron through his lawyer, denied that he asked Tommy to go over there. So, he understood the significance, & wanted no part of it. Tommy backed down. So, this makes me think, that by this point anyway, Ron had a good idea of what happened. What would Ron, personally, have to cover up? something, after the fact? something that would look terrible, but not get him into as much trouble as Tommy? even though that's what it seems like, that's hard to swallow. Would Ron go to extremes to cover up for Misty? I don't think he'd risk his deal for her, so IDK.

Good post Dodie. To add to it, what would be so important for TN that she would go to such great lengths to cover up? Whatever Ron is covering up is serious enough that TN and Annette are also covering. My guess is that TN or Ron had something too do with Heliegh's death. I can't think of anything else that important. Ron is already in jail for drugs. So they aren't covering for that. They have to be covering for someone's death. Could one of them be involved in someone's death other that Haleigh? If Ron is already in jail for drug trafficing, what else could they be covering up?

 

[lonetraveler]

Good post Dodie. To add to it, what would be so important for TN that she would go to such great lengths to cover up? Whatever Ron is covering up is serious enough that TN and Annette are also covering. My guess is that TN or Ron had something too do with Heliegh's death. I can't think of anything else that important. Ron is already in jail for drugs. So they aren't covering for that. They have to be covering for someone's death. Could one of them be involved in someone's death other that Haleigh? If Ron is already in jail for drug trafficing, what else could they be covering up?

If I knew how to show dodie's post too that you were replying to, I would. Anyway, I've always held the opinion that Ron had left the children alone and locked inside the MH sometimes. Ron and Misty had been fighting and maybe when it came time for Ron to go to work, he didn't have a babysitter. Maybe he gave Haleigh a drug to make her go to sleep and probably Jr. too. He most likely called his mother to let her know that she needed to come over to babysit. When TN arrived, Haleigh was in a very bad condition so she called her mother to fetch Aunt Elisa (the nurse) and to come over right away. It was too late for Haleigh, she was deceased. There had to be a lot of brain storming going on to plan on what to do next. I think that Haleigh was handed over to another family member to put into a place where she could not be found. TN and Ron would have to cover up the fact that he overdosed a small child and left the children alone in the MH. Misty had to be talked into coming over to the MH and "act" as if she had been babysitting that night. First TN and Ron had to find her and convince her to go over to the MH. TN offered to pay Misty to babysit (according to Misty). Ron called Tommy trying to find Misty. Misty as reported by a neighbor was seen walking, crying and talking on the phone at just after 2:00 am. It was also reported that a woman's scream was heard at around the same time. I think this is when Misty arrived at the MH and found Haleigh missing. The coverup was for the drug overdose Ron gave Haleigh and for leaving the children alone. JMO

 

[Chablis]

If I knew how to show dodie's post too that you were replying to, I would. Anyway, I've always held the opinion that Ron had left the children alone and locked inside the MH sometimes. Ron and Misty had been fighting and maybe when it came time for Ron to go to work, he didn't have a babysitter. Maybe he gave Haleigh a drug to make her go to sleep and probably Jr. too. He most likely called his mother to let her know that she needed to come over to babysit. When TN arrived, Haleigh was in a very bad condition so she called her mother to fetch Aunt Elisa (the nurse) and to come over right away. It was too late for Haleigh, she was deceased. There had to be a lot of brain storming going on to plan on what to do next. I think that Haleigh was handed over to another family member to put into a place where she could not be found. TN and Ron would have to cover up the fact that he overdosed a small child and left the children alone in the MH. Misty had to be talked into coming over to the MH and "act" as if she had been babysitting that night. First TN and Ron had to find her and convince her to go over to the MH. TN offered to pay Misty to babysit (according to Misty). Ron called Tommy trying to find Misty. Misty as reported by a neighbor was seen walking, crying and talking on the phone at just after 2:00 am. It was also reported that a woman's scream was heard at around the same time. I think this is when Misty arrived at the MH and found Haleigh missing. The coverup was for the drug overdose Ron gave Haleigh and for leaving the children alone. JMO

But doesn't Tommy actually place himself at the mobile home with Misty after Ron left, and they smoked a joint?

 

[Emeralgem]

But doesn't Tommy actually place himself at the mobile home with Misty after Ron left, and they smoked a joint?

To my knowledge Tommy has never stated he and his children were at the MH that afternoon when the A/C man was there.

 

[dodie20]

If Ron knew Misty was gone, then he knew the kids were alone...& did nothing about it. He didn't leave work to get them & he didn't make arrangements for another babysitter. His main concern was getting Misty back in the trailer. It was reported that Misty offered to pay TN to babysit, but she refused. What if she made that request while she was out & the kids were already alone? that would mean that TN also knew the kids were alone. & although that would be really bad, IDK if it would be cause for Misty & Ron to still not fess up. but maybe...because when Ron went through a lawyer to make that statement about his call to Tommy, I got the real impression that he had done something illegal, but not murder, & he wanted to legally distance himself from Tommy. TN has spent the last 2 years trying to make Ron look like a great dad. It would be hard to admit to leaving the kids alone. If Ron really believed Misty was in the trailer, why did he call Tommy, looking for her? LE should have phone records & pings proving who called who, when & from where, so they shouldn't need Misty to verify being gone. I'm just thinking out loud here, trying to figure out who all knew the kids were alone & wondering about Ron & Misty arguing over babysitting, (was she already gone?).

 

[dodie20]

Lawyer KP said Ron hadn't been up front with his work hours, so it's safe to say, according to her information, Ron wasn't at his job, during the hours he claims...whatever those hours are, because there have been several variations. If he did leave work to look for Misty, but didn't check on the kids...that would be bad. What if he was out & about while someone was snatching Haleigh? idk if that's feasible, because it would take a certain allignment of coincidences, that just aren't likely.I wish KP had elaborated & not left us hanging. MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM. I'm in total agreement...And I am not accepting the investigation is over just because Hope and Ron C were locked up for 15 years.
IT'S PAST TIME. The Cummings/ Neves/ Sykes clan need some mega pressure applied to them NOW.
And that goes for KB too.. HELL-O she was on the scene when Ron C and Misty were arrested and drove away. They didn't even bother to round her up and haul her in...WTH? JMHOOTS

BBM: I'm glad you reminded me about KB. Doesn't it seem that if a drug bust was going down that the woman who was at the scene and drove off in a big hurry would have been pursued and arrested as well? Especially since Misty's purse was reportedly in the car? I guess she was taking Misty to the store for cigarettes? Right.....................!:crazy: I feel confident that there is a big chance of drugs being in the purse or money received for drugs and don't forget the cell phone. Looks like LE would have wanted this for evidence, but I guess they didn't need it since Ron is probably the one who counseled them to just plead no contest if things went wrong. I guess it worked so good for him in the past that he figured since they were so young that it would go well for them too. Look where that got them!

 

[lonetraveler]

Lawyer KP said Ron hadn't been up front with his work hours, so it's safe to say, according to her information, Ron wasn't at his job, during the hours he claims...whatever those hours are, because there have been several variations. If he did leave work to look for Misty, but didn't check on the kids...that would be bad. What if he was out & about while someone was snatching Haleigh? idk if that's feasible, because it would take a certain allignment of coincidences, that just aren't likely.I wish KP had elaborated & not left us hanging. MOO.

Yep, and KP also brought up the subject of the Guard at PDM who spoke about Ron leaving Haleigh and Jr. in his vehicle in the parking lot. This would have proven that Ron was willing to leave the children alone. I'm also betting that Ron did not clock out and back in to check on the children. I'm sure that he would not want this to show on his time card.

 

[lonetraveler]

If Ron knew Misty was gone, then he knew the kids were alone...& did nothing about it. He didn't leave work to get them & he didn't make arrangements for another babysitter. His main concern was getting Misty back in the trailer. It was reported that Misty offered to pay TN to babysit, but she refused. What if she made that request while she was out & the kids were already alone? that would mean that TN also knew the kids were alone. & although that would be really bad, IDK if it would be cause for Misty & Ron to still not fess up. but maybe...because when Ron went through a lawyer to make that statement about his call to Tommy, I got the real impression that he had done something illegal, but not murder, & he wanted to legally distance himself from Tommy. TN has spent the last 2 years trying to make Ron look like a great dad. It would be hard to admit to leaving the kids alone. If Ron really believed Misty was in the trailer, why did he call Tommy, looking for her? LE should have phone records & pings proving who called who, when & from where, so they shouldn't need Misty to verify being gone. I'm just thinking out loud here, trying to figure out who all knew the kids were alone & wondering about Ron & Misty arguing over babysitting, (was she already gone?).

I'm still thinking that Misty and Ron were not back together and it was Ron who left the children alone, locked in the MH. It was also stated by Misty or Chelsea in the jail phone videos that it was Teresa who offered to pay her to babysit that night. I believe that version, it makes more sense to me that TN would have the money to pay. I don't see how Misty could pay anything to anybody. And just like you posted, if Misty was suppose to be babysitting, why was Ron and Teresa trying to find her?

 

[lonetraveler]

But doesn't Tommy actually place himself at the mobile home with Misty after Ron left, and they smoked a joint?

Actually it was Misty who placed Tommy and his kids there that evening around the same time as the AC man's visit. It is covered in the Leveled Voice Analysis conducted with Misty. This is also when she stated that Haleigh was doing wheelies on her bike (with training wheels).

 

[dodie20]

I'm still thinking that Misty and Ron were not back together and it was Ron who left the children alone, locked in the MH. It was also stated by Misty or Chelsea in the jail phone videos that it was Teresa who offered to pay her to babysit that night. I believe that version, it makes more sense to me that TN would have the money to pay. I don't see how Misty could pay anything to anybody. And just like you posted, if Misty was suppose to be babysitting, why was Ron and Teresa trying to find her?

There are a lot of babysitting versions out there, & you're right, TN offering to pay Misty does make the most sense, but for some reason, FH's version, nags at me. IDK when Misty actually showed back up, but I believe the witnesses who put her at the bus stop, picking up Haleigh. So, IMO, she was back, & there would've been no reason for TN to ask her to babysit. & if Misty had other plans, she could've refused the offer. I remember Misty saying in a jail tape, that she didn't want to babysit & they all knew it, or something like that, so, I'm thinking she left, argued with Ron about being gone, so she called TN to go over...or she called her before she left. For some reason, that makes sense to me. Whether she offered to pay TN, is beside the point, & after her weekend, I guess it's possible she earned some money somehow. She did get busted for trafficking, so she could've been selling her prescriptions. MOO.

 

[Emeralgem]

There are a lot of babysitting versions out there, & you're right, TN offering to pay Misty does make the most sense, but for some reason, FH's version, nags at me. IDK when Misty actually showed back up, but I believe the witnesses who put her at the bus stop, picking up Haleigh. So, IMO, she was back, & there would've been no reason for TN to ask her to babysit. & if Misty had other plans, she could've refused the offer. I remember Misty saying in a jail tape, that she didn't want to babysit & they all knew that, or something like that, so, I'm thinking she left, argued with Ron about being gone, so she called TN to go over...or she called her before she left. For some reason, that makes sense to me. whether she offered to pay TN, is beside the point, & after her weekend, I guess it's possible she earned some money somehow. She did get busted for trafficking, so she could've been selling her prescriptions. MOO.

From what I read Grandma Flora got the story mixed up from some blogger on another site who was under the impression it was Misty who offered to pay TN, rather than TN being the one who offered to pay Misty..
I don't believe Misty and Ron had reunited as TN has claimed they did... I also suspect TN didn't get an ok from Ron for Misty to baby sit either but still gave Misty the ok.. IMO it was either Misty or Chelsy who picked up Haleigh and when Ron found out he went looking for the van and his daughter and all HELL broke loose.
I am in agreement Misty did not want to babysit but that doesn't mean she didn't finally agree to doing so.. However, agreeing to pick up Haleigh and babysit does not necessarily indicate they had reunited as a couple...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

From what I read Grandma Flora got the story mixed up from some blogger on another site who was under the impression it was Misty who offered to pay TN, rather than TN being the one who offered to pay Misty..
I don't believe Misty and Ron had reunited as TN has claimed they did... I also suspect TN didn't get an ok from Ron for Misty to baby sit either but still gave Misty the ok.. IMO it was either Misty or Chelsy who picked up Haleigh and when Ron found out he went looking for the van and his daughter and all HELL broke loose.
I am in agreement Misty did not want to babysit but that doesn't mean she didn't finally agree to doing so.. However, agreeing to pick up Haleigh and babysit does not necessarily indicate they had reunited as a couple...JMHO

Well, I never did believe the romantic story TN told about them sitting up & working out their problems. That was just weird. I too doubt Misty was there that night, but something was up, because they all told some unbelievable stories about that night & the next morning. & this must concern Ron or Misty & some kind of activity, because why hide it? I have no idea what he did that night, but a witness puts him reckless driving around the bus stop the next morning. I read that Haleigh had stained her clothes, but I also read that she wanted a favorite outfit, but going to AS's makes no sense. Misty claims to have walked Haleigh to her class, but I don't think anyone has verified it. How did Haleigh get to school? The witness only saw Ron, so was Haleigh somewhere else? Ron's picking Haleigh up from the bus stop story, is so unbelievable, IMO, that I have to go with the witnesses, who say Misty picked her up, without Ron. So, what was he doing? But then I wonder why CC claims to have seen him...she doesn't like him, so who is she protecting with her own unbelievable story? MOO.