General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

what we know, which has been verified from outside sources. Misty spent at least the weekend with friends, including WBG, partying. Ron had a fight with Joe over a gun. Ron was seen driving recklessly around the bus stop. Haleigh made it to school. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop...looking worn out, smacking Jr in the face, & arguing with LC & a guy, over what sounded like bad dope. LC & the guy sped off. The AC guy was at the trailer. Ron went to work either before or after the AC guy was there. Misty didn't want to babysit. Misty & Ron talked on the phone. Misty turned her phone off. Ron called Tommy. Tommy put himself at the trailer. A female scream was heard from the trailer. Misty was seen in the yard, pacing, crying, & talking on the phone. Ron got home. Misty called 911. There were some sort of hits on the dumpster. Misty failed several LDTs. ok, I'm thinking about the female scream. Would finding Haleigh gone, be enough to make Misty scream, or did she find her dead or dying? I'm not sure Haleigh being gone would be enough, unless she knew from the blocked door etc...that she had been taken. During the pre interview before the hypnosis, Misty made the comment that she didn't know who took Haleigh & hadn't heard before hand, that she was going to be taken. Was this a slip? loose talk? or was she referring to what LE was implying? From reading over this, it looks like arguing & fighting, were going on between Ron & Misty's family & somebody might have threatened to retaliate. & I wonder if FH's version of Misty being in on the gun theft ties in. good grief, this takes me back to Tommy's Joe story. Could he have been telling the truth? or almost the truth? LE DID base the Shell Harbor search on the story, so they got something...but Tommy didn't get a deal. & I don't think it's because he completely lied. He told some truth, IMO, & that's why he hasn't recanted. Misty on the other hand, has backed away from the story. If something similar to Tommy's story did go down, I would bet a lot of money, that Misty wasn't there. MOO. about the AC guy...I'm not sure I believe Misty's story about calling & informing Ron. I think he might have still been at home, & that's the reason AS, much later, alibied Ron. MOO, but her story has changed & what happened to the aunt? & wasn't it about a month after the abduction, that she came out with the story? MOO

 

[titanfan62702]

Dodie, I don't know much of what was really said the first month, except what was "reported" on NG.

What I remember well is that when someone came up with the story that MC was not home that night, TN said that she believed she was 'cause she had sent someone to check on them -- no time or who. Why did someone need to check on the best girlfriend Ron ever had and how did that turn into taking clothes over there?

I still want to know why TN sent her mom, and didn't go there herself -- like where was she until she magically showed up minutes after the 911 call. And oh, yea, how did AS get there minutes after they discovered HaLeigh missing? What time was that? I'm still thinking that early "visit" had something to do with HaLeigh being missing or injured.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Dodie, I don't know much of what was really said the first month, except what was "reported" on NG.

What I remember well is that when someone came up with the story that MC was not home that night, TN said that she believed she was 'cause she had sent someone to check on them -- no time or who. Why did someone need to check on the best girlfriend Ron ever had and how did that turn into taking clothes over there?

I still want to know why TN sent her mom, and didn't go there herself -- like where was she until she magically showed up minutes after the 911 call. And oh, yea, how did AS get there minutes after they discovered HaLeigh missing? What time was that? I'm still thinking that early "visit" had something to do with HaLeigh being missing or injured.

BBM

How did the dirty laundry story change, a year later, to an explanation of anger being her reason for going to the trailer?

On Feb. 9, the night after Croslin returned to Cummings' mobile home from the weekend of partying, Sykes dropped by. She said she was upset that Croslin had gone off and left her grandson without anyone to watch over the two kids.

"I was mad because Ronald let her come back," she said. "But it's his house. There wasn't nothing I could do about it other than be mad."

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...gs_vanished_ronald_and_misty_lost_their_way_l

There wasn't any mention of laundry or best girlfriend in that story, was there?

 

[dodie20]

BBM

How did the dirty laundry story change, a year later, to an explanation of anger being her reason for going to the trailer?



There wasn't any mention of laundry or best girlfriend in that story, was there?

oh my, how their stories have changed. how depressing.

 

[dodie20]

ok, I just watched the Geraldo video on this site, where Jr's man in black story was discussed & a few things jumped out at me. CS related that Jr told her, he was awakened by squeaky shoes & then a black man in black, took Haleigh, & SHE DID NOT WAKE UP. She also said he told her, MISTY WAS THERE. They speculated that Misty had gotten high on oxycotin & was passed out & Jr was confused about her being there the whole night. If Tommy's story has any truth, Jr would remember more, wouldn't he? especially the screaming, crying, & hiding under the covers? On the 911, Misty didn't sound that high, IMO. My only experience with heavy painkillers, was after a c section, & I was completely unfunctionable. not from the pain, but the drug, & there's no way I could've made a 911 call. My experience with druggies is that they take excessive amounts of pills & mix them with alcohol & get almost comatose. But, who knows what this girl did. omg, did she really sleep through most of this? If so, I think it's possible that she woke up to the 3 or 4 man 'dream', but instead of the chaos, Tommy claims, things were quiet. Something else interested me. In an undercover video, Ron claimed dope boys don't do this but when asked to speculate, CS, who comes from Ron's world, said the only thing she could think of was a drug dealer. MOO & I don't know what to think. Somehow I missed this video.

 

[Concerned Papa]

oh my, how their stories have changed. how depressing.

BBM

That's just one of many contradictory statements made by members of this little girl's family. It is also, quite possibly, an example of what Capt. Greenwood was referring to in this recent quote:

"It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the FAMILY MEMBERS are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-02-10/haleigh-now-missing-2-years

That, my friend, is considerably beyond depressing for me.

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, I never did believe the romantic story TN told about them sitting up & working out their problems. That was just weird. I too doubt Misty was there that night, but something was up, because they all told some unbelievable stories about that night & the next morning. & this must concern Ron or Misty & some kind of activity, because why hide it? I have no idea what he did that night, but a witness puts him reckless driving around the bus stop the next morning. I read that Haleigh had stained her clothes, but I also read that she wanted a favorite outfit, but going to AS's makes no sense. Misty claims to have walked Haleigh to her class, but I don't think anyone has verified it. How did Haleigh get to school? The witness only saw Ron, so was Haleigh somewhere else? Ron's picking Haleigh up from the bus stop story, is so unbelievable, IMO, that I have to go with the witnesses, who say Misty picked her up, without Ron. So, what was he doing? But then I wonder why CC claims to have seen him...she doesn't like him, so who is she protecting with her own unbelievable story? MOO.

BBM..
This is just my take on things but I suspect she is attempting to protect herself as well as Timmy.
She originally stated she and Timmy didn't learn about Haleigh's disappearance until around 4:00 am on the 10th of February. I feel certain this is the same story she told PCSO too...Last thing she wants anyone to know is she may have knowledge of what may have happened to Haleigh long before she originally claims she found out.

Another thing WHY would she be at the bus stop in the first place? She didn't have children who rode that bus. J Santos claimed both Austin and Haleigh got into that van.

Chelsey claims her theory is she believes Haleigh overdosed on Ron's pills but she also stated on national tv she believe the BIG fight that occurred over the phone between Ron and Misty around 8:30 pm was about what to do with Haleigh's remains. We then have Ronald calling Tommy around 9:00 pm and per AH the call was made to Tommy at Tommy's parent's residence.

Now we have GGMS who claims she saw Haleigh alive and well eating dinner on Monday night..Last I heard she changed the time and claimed it was closer to 8:00 pm when she was there..

I'm just not buyin Haleigh was fine at 8:00 pm and Misty and Ron were having a big fight over what to do with Haleigh's body at 8:30 pm

I supsect Chelsey has told some of the truth, just not anything that will implicate her or her husband as knowing more than she had originally claimed...

IMO.. GGMS isn't telling the truth about seeing Haleigh alive and well.

Bottom line for me Chelsey doesn't want anyone to know she and her husband may know what really happened to Haleigh. All JMHOOTS

 

[Chablis]

BBM..
This is just my take on things but I suspect she is attempting to protect herself as well as Timmy.
She originally stated she and Timmy didn't learn about Haleigh's disappearance until around 4:00 am on the 10th of February. I feel certain this is the same story she told PCSO too...Last thing she wants anyone to know is she may have knowledge of what may have happened to Haleigh long before she originally claims she found out.

Another thing WHY would she be at the bus stop in the first place? She didn't have children who rode that bus. J Santos claimed both Austin and Haleigh got into that van.

Chelsey claims her theory is she believes Haleigh overdosed on Ron's pills but she also stated on national tv she believe the BIG fight that occurred over the phone between Ron and Misty around 8:30 pm was about what to do with Haleigh's remains. We then have Ronald calling Tommy around 9:00 pm and per AH the call was made to Tommy at Tommy's parent's residence.

Now we have GGMS who claims she saw Haleigh alive and well eating dinner on Monday night..Last I heard she changed the time and claimed it was closer to 8:00 pm when she was there..

I'm just not buyin Haleigh was fine at 8:00 pm and Misty and Ron were having a big fight over what to do with Haleigh's body at 8:30 pm

I supsect Chelsey has told some of the truth, just not anything that will implicate her or her husband as knowing more than she had originally claimed...

IMO.. GGMS isn't telling the truth about seeing Haleigh alive and well.

Bottom line for me Chelsey doesn't want anyone to know she and her husband may know what really happened to Haleigh. All JMHOOTS

Ron Cummings is involved in all this, there is no way on this earth that Chelsea Croslin would not have long told and gotten the money. I have no doubts Ron did something to his daughter, no way would Ron call the cops on Timmy in Mass if Timmy was covering for him, or helped, that would be the stupidest thing on earth to provoke someone who could put you away and probably get immunity. But, it is Ron, so who knows.

 

[titanfan62702]

BBM..
This is just my take on things but I suspect she is attempting to protect herself as well as Timmy.
She originally stated she and Timmy didn't learn about Haleigh's disappearance until around 4:00 am on the 10th of February. I feel certain this is the same story she told PCSO too...Last thing she wants anyone to know is she may have knowledge of what may have happened to Haleigh long before she originally claims she found out.

Another thing WHY would she be at the bus stop in the first place? She didn't have children who rode that bus. J Santos claimed both Austin and Haleigh got into that van.

Chelsey claims her theory is she believes Haleigh overdosed on Ron's pills but she also stated on national tv she believe the BIG fight that occurred over the phone between Ron and Misty around 8:30 pm was about what to do with Haleigh's remains. We then have Ronald calling Tommy around 9:00 pm and per AH the call was made to Tommy at Tommy's parent's residence.

Now we have GGMS who claims she saw Haleigh alive and well eating dinner on Monday night..Last I heard she changed the time and claimed it was closer to 8:00 pm when she was there..

I'm just not buyin Haleigh was fine at 8:00 pm and Misty and Ron were having a big fight over what to do with Haleigh's body at 8:30 pm

I supsect Chelsey has told some of the truth, just not anything that will implicate her or her husband as knowing more than she had originally claimed...

IMO.. GGMS isn't telling the truth about seeing Haleigh alive and well.

Bottom line for me Chelsey doesn't want anyone to know she and her husband may know what really happened to Haleigh. All JMHOOTS

Have you or anyone else heard anything about Timmy & Chelsey returning to Florida? Figure from where I read it that is a rumor, but thought I'd at least check it out.

 

[Emeralgem]

Have you or anyone else heard anything about Timmy & Chelsey returning to Florida? Figure from where I read it that is a rumor, but thought I'd at least check it out.

I do know it has been stated they have returned. The person who made this claim also claims to be in contact with them as well as other Croslin family members on a regular basis. Thats all I know.

 

[Emeralgem]

Ron Cummings is involved in all this, there is no way on this earth that Chelsea Croslin would not have long told and gotten the money. I have no doubts Ron did something to his daughter, no way would Ron call the cops on Timmy in Mass if Timmy was covering for him, or helped, that would be the stupidest thing on earth to provoke someone who could put you away and probably get immunity. But, it is Ron, so who knows.

Levi can expalin it much better than I can but my understanding is IF someone is involved in any way with the death of a child and withholds information they are an accomplice and can recieve the same punishment as the person who has committed the crime.

I doubt those were the exact words Levi used in explaining it to me but I got the impression from what he told me.. They could all go down for knowing what happened and not reporting the truth to LE. JMHO

Levi where are you?

 

[Chablis]

Levi can expalin it much better than I can but my understanding is IF someone is involved in any way with the death of a child and withholds information they are an accomplice and can recieve the same punishment as the person who has committed the crime.

I doubt those were the exact words Levi used in explaining it to me but I got the impression from what he told me.. They could all go down for knowing what happened and not reporting the truth to LE. JMHO

Levi where are you?

This case is so high profile, if someone lets say tossed the body for Ronald, which I really doubt, they can cut a deal and get immunity for their cooperation with putting the perp in jail, that could totally happen here, especially because they want to bring her home so bad, deals like this are made all the time. This is why I rule Timmy and Chelsea out, along with their grifter lifestyle, there is no way in heck they have any loyalties to Ronald Cummings, there just is no way imo.

 

[krkrjx]

The phone records would really help us alot. One thing I have considered is in the early days of the case, not everyone knew that the Tyler Street MH was Lindsy and Tommy's residence and the senior Croslins moved in with them upon Hank's discharge from hospital. We really do not know if a call from Ron was made to the Magnolia address; the call could have been made to Tyler Street and it was just assumed that Tyler was the senior Croslin's residence. In the majority of cases it would be the kids moving in with parents rather than the other way around, so Tyler being the parents' home was an easy assumption to make, IMO.

Until there is proof shown (by way of the phone records) we cannot really know if Tommy received a call at the Magnolia address that night. I would like to know if Ron in fact called Tommy (or anyone) at Magnolia and if he did, what Tommy was doing there when he was supposed to be home babysitting his own kids.

 

[lonetraveler]

There are a lot of babysitting versions out there, & you're right, TN offering to pay Misty does make the most sense, but for some reason, FH's version, nags at me. IDK when Misty actually showed back up, but I believe the witnesses who put her at the bus stop, picking up Haleigh. So, IMO, she was back, & there would've been no reason for TN to ask her to babysit. & if Misty had other plans, she could've refused the offer. I remember Misty saying in a jail tape, that she didn't want to babysit & they all knew it, or something like that, so, I'm thinking she left, argued with Ron about being gone, so she called TN to go over...or she called her before she left. For some reason, that makes sense to me. Whether she offered to pay TN, is beside the point, & after her weekend, I guess it's possible she earned some money somehow. She did get busted for trafficking, so she could've been selling her prescriptions. MOO.

Confusing I know but I also believe that Misty picked up Haleigh at the busstop that afternoon. There are theories out there that Ron may have followed Misty and an argument ensued and Ron took Haleigh from her and that is why there could have been "no babysitter" for that night. Ron may have told her he would never let her back into the house, we don't know. But, maybe TN called Misty later and offered to pay her to come over. Misty's answer to her (reportedly) was that "she would only come over if it was OK with Ron. Maybe it wasn't OK with Ron so the children ended up being locked into the house and Ron asked his mother to go over. That is why I think that she, TN, may have discovered an overdosed Haleigh and then the desperate calls to Misty were placed.

 

[Emeralgem]

Ron Cummings is involved in all this, there is no way on this earth that Chelsea Croslin would not have long told and gotten the money. I have no doubts Ron did something to his daughter, no way would Ron call the cops on Timmy in Mass if Timmy was covering for him, or helped, that would be the stupidest thing on earth to provoke someone who could put you away and probably get immunity. But, it is Ron, so who knows.

I'm not under the impression any of the Croslins have any loyalty to anyone in the Cummings/Neves Sykes clan other than they may have felt the need to be loyal to Misty, and Misty may have felt she had to be loyal to Ron C.

 

[Emeralgem]

I've heard Timmy and Chelsey are back in Florida which IF true really surprised me considering Tommy had stated Timmy couldn't risk coming back. So IF they do know anything concerning what really happened to Haleigh hopefully they are working with LE to cut a deal and get immunity .JMHOOTS

 

[dodie20]

Levi can expalin it much better than I can but my understanding is IF someone is involved in any way with the death of a child and withholds information they are an accomplice and can recieve the same punishment as the person who has committed the crime.

I doubt those were the exact words Levi used in explaining it to me but I got the impression from what he told me.. They could all go down for knowing what happened and not reporting the truth to LE. JMHO

Levi where are you?

& LE wonders why these people don't talk? not everbody would get ammunity, so they just band together.

 

[dodie20]

I've heard Timmy and Chelsey are back in Florida which really surprised me considering Tommy had stated Timmy couldn't risk coming back. So IF they do know anything concerning what really happened to Haleigh hopefully they are working with LE to cut a deal and get immunity .JMHOOTS

every time something out of the ordinary happens, I hope it means something is going on behind the scenes. & I'm never right.

 

[lonetraveler]

The phone records would really help us alot. One thing I have considered is in the early days of the case, not everyone knew that the Tyler Street MH was Lindsy and Tommy's residence and the senior Croslins moved in with them upon Hank's discharge from hospital. We really do not know if a call from Ron was made to the Magnolia address; the call could have been made to Tyler Street and it was just assumed that Tyler was the senior Croslin's residence. In the majority of cases it would be the kids moving in with parents rather than the other way around, so Tyler being the parents' home was an easy assumption to make, IMO.

Until there is proof shown (by way of the phone records) we cannot really know if Tommy received a call at the Magnolia address that night. I would like to know if Ron in fact called Tommy (or anyone) at Magnolia and if he did, what Tommy was doing there when he was supposed to be home babysitting his own kids.

Wow, you must have read my mind on this subject. I have thought the same thing about this ever since I heard that Ron had called on a land line at Misty's parent's house. I agree; I think that he called Tommy and Lindsey's house that night, not the Magnolia address. Then again, you wonder if Misty was sleeping at the Magnolia address since Lisa was with Hank at the hospital. Maybe Misty was found and pursuaded to go over to Ron's MH.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM..
This is just my take on things but I suspect she is attempting to protect herself as well as Timmy.
She originally stated she and Timmy didn't learn about Haleigh's disappearance until around 4:00 am on the 10th of February. I feel certain this is the same story she told PCSO too...Last thing she wants anyone to know is she may have knowledge of what may have happened to Haleigh long before she originally claims she found out.

Another thing WHY would she be at the bus stop in the first place? She didn't have children who rode that bus. J Santos claimed both Austin and Haleigh got into that van.

Chelsey claims her theory is she believes Haleigh overdosed on Ron's pills but she also stated on national tv she believe the BIG fight that occurred over the phone between Ron and Misty around 8:30 pm was about what to do with Haleigh's remains. We then have Ronald calling Tommy around 9:00 pm and per AH the call was made to Tommy at Tommy's parent's residence.

Now we have GGMS who claims she saw Haleigh alive and well eating dinner on Monday night..Last I heard she changed the time and claimed it was closer to 8:00 pm when she was there..

I'm just not buyin Haleigh was fine at 8:00 pm and Misty and Ron were having a big fight over what to do with Haleigh's body at 8:30 pm

I supsect Chelsey has told some of the truth, just not anything that will implicate her or her husband as knowing more than she had originally claimed...

IMO.. GGMS isn't telling the truth about seeing Haleigh alive and well.

Bottom line for me Chelsey doesn't want anyone to know she and her husband may know what really happened to Haleigh. All JMHOOTS

Reportedly, the last comments from cousin Joe was that he was at Timmy's house and it was Chelsey and Timmy who left in the van that night. You could be totally correct in that Chelsey may be covering for any involvement by she and Timmy. (I'm still trying to connect the dots on the Haleigh Angel tattoo on her foot). I do believe that Misty's first call for help or in panic or both would have been to Chelsey and Timmy. Yep, Misty and Ron could have been arguing about he wanting to involve her family to help with the clean up.