General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[krkrjx]

Whisp- if you don't mind, could you tell me what you think happened to HaLeigh? If you think she was locked in the MH by herself with JR, do you think she got into the drugs and OD? Or do you think she fell or something and had a closed head injury?

Also, do you think it was AS who found her at that 7-7:30-8:00pm trip to bring clothes over to the MH?

I have been hanging onto this one since the beginning....JMO

and TIA

Hmmmmm. I had considered this theory, but not too seriously. But now I have to consider it again. Accidental death has been put on the back burner by a lot of us because logic says there would be no reason to cover up an accidental death.

But, what if Haleigh had been left at home unsupervised and an accident happened? Ron would have lost Junior over that, and he would have faced some kind of "negligence resulting in death" charge and likely would have been convicted. I am not sure what kind of time he would serve for that but it would make sense that all adults in Haleigh's immediate environment at the time would try to cover up even an accidental death if the situation were such that if not for parental negligence, Haleigh would not have died.

In her post Beatrice said something similar. The real crime would be the cover-up of an accidental death. Yes, there would have been charges for negligence but the penalty might not have been huge if all had come clean in the beginning. But they couldn't, because no one wanted Ron seen as a negligent father and they didn't want to lose Junior.

Could the answer be this simple?

 

[tiki21]

Hmmmmm. I had considered this theory, but not too seriously. But now I have to consider it again. Accidental death has been put on the back burner by a lot of us because logic says there would be no reason to cover up an accidental death.

But, what if Haleigh had been left at home unsupervised and an accident happened? Ron would have lost Junior over that, and he would have faced some kind of "negligence resulting in death" charge and likely would have been convicted. I am not sure what kind of time he would serve for that but it would make sense that all adults in Haleigh's immediate environment at the time would try to cover up even an accidental death if the situation were such that if not for parental negligence, Haleigh would not have died.

In her post Beatrice said something similar. The real crime would be the cover-up of an accidental death. Yes, there would have been charges for negligence but the penalty might not have been huge if all had come clean in the beginning. But they couldn't, because no one wanted Ron seen as a negligent father and they didn't want to lose Junior.

Could the answer be this simple?

imo, the only "accidental" death i could see is an OD or beating gone too far. if it was as innocent as "haleigh fell and hit her head" i can't see them covering that up even if she was home alone.

If they were home alone and something tragic happened to Haleigh and they decided to cover it up, Jr could still say they were home alone. If they were home alone and something happened to Haleigh during that time and they decided NOT to cover it up, Jr could still say they were home alone.

So i really don't think it was an accident while they were home alone which led to the massive coverup. they could have lost custody of Jr either way. it really would have been Jr's word vs theirs

if it was an accident while they were left home alone, why wouldn't they just say that someone WAS there when it happened? every single one of them is lying about something anyway.. nobody knows if Misty was there all night or if Ron was at work from 4pm to 3am or where TN and AS were that whole evening, or how long Tommy really stayed outside of Ron's that night.. they are already all lying, so what difference would it have made if that night, they said "so and so was babysitting Haleigh and she fell and died."

i would think they would have been more afraid to expose their lives to the world with the abduction story.. a 16 yr old bedmate of Ron's had just spent the weekend on a drug binge and was left home alone with the kids and she slept while someone snuck into the house and snatched little Haleigh from the same bed she was in is a much worse "coverup"

but maybe in a drug addled state, they don't see that clearly

JMO

 

[lil momma]

Hmmmmm. I had considered this theory, but not too seriously. But now I have to consider it again. Accidental death has been put on the back burner by a lot of us because logic says there would be no reason to cover up an accidental death.

But, what if Haleigh had been left at home unsupervised and an accident happened? Ron would have lost Junior over that, and he would have faced some kind of "negligence resulting in death" charge and likely would have been convicted. I am not sure what kind of time he would serve for that but it would make sense that all adults in Haleigh's immediate environment at the time would try to cover up even an accidental death if the situation were such that if not for parental negligence, Haleigh would not have died.

In her post Beatrice said something similar. The real crime would be the cover-up of an accidental death. Yes, there would have been charges for negligence but the penalty might not have been huge if all had come clean in the beginning. But they couldn't, because no one wanted Ron seen as a negligent father and they didn't want to lose Junior.

Could the answer be this simple?

BBM - BINGO!!!!

Ron knew he would be in deep doodoo with LE and DFS if (and this is JMO) they knew he locked the children in the MH... like Whisp pointed out so much emphysis on that lock on the door---insistant that he locked it--and that the children weren't able to unlock it. Why the need to talk so much about him locking that door? i think he locked them in the mh and went to work. the reason he did this is b/c he couldn't get a hold of Misty (wow i would love to see the phone records for the day prior to HaLeigh missing) that is why TN had to call her to ask her to baby sit, b/c she wasn't with Ron that Sunday, working out their problems. Even begged her and said she would pay her to babysit....and what does TN say about that? She said no, Misty called me and told me that SHE was too tired and SHE would pay TN to watch the kids...Say WHat?????(someone who has a 6 grade education and no job is going to pay TN to babysit her own grandchildren..alrighty then) around 7-7:30-8:00 when GGS learned that the children were in the home alone, she went over there....TN had asked her to check on the kids...GGS says she went there to deliver laundry. That is when she found HaLeigh deceased or near deceased, and knew if she called LE that it would then have to be admitted that Ron left them alone. Ron would have been charged with something. It had to be covered up either way to protect Ron, not necessarily from losing JR but to keep his butt out of jail/prison.

But the exact reason behind them covering up whatever happened to HaLeigh, whether it be protecting Ron so he didn't lose JR or if it was to keep his butt from going to jail, they both happened anyhow. That's Karma for you.

JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO. I believe in my mind and in my heart he shot her. I do believe it was an accident caused by him playing BAD AZZ with a gun, but nevertheless she died and he would have been charged with her death along with some other offenses I suspect.. He would have been sent to jail and lost Jr and they all knew it, thus a coverup was immediately put in to action to attempt to save his rear...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

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But the exact reason behind them covering up whatever happened to HaLeigh, whether it be protecting Ron so he didn't lose JR or if it was to keep his butt from going to jail, they both happened anyhow. That's Karma for you.

JMO

ITA. However Haleigh's mother deserves to know the truth as to what really happend to Haleigh and deserves to know where her child's remains are too in order to reach some sort of closure, IF that is even possible at this stage of the game considering all the lies she has been fed.....JMHO

 

[lil momma]

ITA. However Haleigh's mother deserves to know the truth as to what really happend to Haleigh and deserves to know where her child's remains are too in order to reach some sort of closure, IF that is even possible at this stage of the game considering all the lies she has been fed.....JMHO

I totally agree Em! Crystal is long over due for some answers, just as HaLeigh is long over due some justice! JMO

 

[Beatrice]

IMO. I believe in my mind and in my heart he shot her. I do believe it was an accident caused by him playing BAD AZZ with a gun, but nevertheless she died and he would have been charged with her death along with some other offenses I suspect.. He would have been sent to jail and lost Jr and they all knew it, thus a coverup was immediately put in to action to attempt to save his rear...JMHO

I wonder...Was RC receiving financial help from the State of Florida for raising his 2 children?

 

[Beatrice]

I don't know where Misty was...
At a party, in the livingroom with Butterbean,
or asleep with both children.

Haleigh being Haleigh, IMO got a hold of the gun or drugs of Ronald's
(Ron is an intrevenous drug user...Shooting between his toes!)

Misty mentions "bleach cleaning" and washer/dryer cycles.
Although the blanket was never washed...only dried. Coverup?

Why were the 2 children supposedly sleeping in Ronald's bedroom?
Why has Butterbean's room never been shown in videos?

Was their sale/use/abuse of drugs their only concern?

Ronald marries Misty because she has "info on him"
and him the same.

 

[Emeralgem]

I wonder...Was RC receiving financial help from the State of Florida for raising his 2 children?

I don't know..Perhaps some sort of medical assistance considering Haleigh had been diagnosed with Turners Syndrome..I doubt he had any medical insurance from his places of employment.. He never stayed employed long enough...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't know where Misty was...
At a party, in the livingroom with Butterbean,
or asleep with both children.Haleigh being Haleigh, IMO got a hold of the gun or drugs of Ronald's
(Ron is an intrevenous drug user...Shooting between his toes!)

Misty mentions "bleach cleaning" and washer/dryer cycles.
Although the blanket was never washed...only dried. Coverup?

Why were the 2 children supposedly sleeping in Ronald's bedroom?
Why has Butterbean's room never been shown in videos?

Was their sale/use/abuse of drugs their only concern?

Ronald marries Misty because she has "info on him"
and him the same.

I suspect Misty was at her parent's residence most of the afternoon/evening. And I don't believe Haleigh got a hold of anyone's drugs either.. I believe Ron C accidentally shot Haleigh when he was threatening Misty with a gun when he finally caught up with her at her parent's residence....JMHO

 

[dodie20]

imo, the only "accidental" death i could see is an OD or beating gone too far. if it was as innocent as "haleigh fell and hit her head" i can't see them covering that up even if she was home alone.

If they were home alone and something tragic happened to Haleigh and they decided to cover it up, Jr could still say they were home alone. If they were home alone and something happened to Haleigh during that time and they decided NOT to cover it up, Jr could still say they were home alone.

So i really don't think it was an accident while they were home alone which led to the massive coverup. they could have lost custody of Jr either way. it really would have been Jr's word vs theirs

if it was an accident while they were left home alone, why wouldn't they just say that someone WAS there when it happened? every single one of them is lying about something anyway.. nobody knows if Misty was there all night or if Ron was at work from 4pm to 3am or where TN and AS were that whole evening, or how long Tommy really stayed outside of Ron's that night.. they are already all lying, so what difference would it have made if that night, they said "so and so was babysitting Haleigh and she fell and died."

i would think they would have been more afraid to expose their lives to the world with the abduction story.. a 16 yr old bedmate of Ron's had just spent the weekend on a drug binge and was left home alone with the kids and she slept while someone snuck into the house and snatched little Haleigh from the same bed she was in is a much worse "coverup"

but maybe in a drug addled state, they don't see that clearly

JMO

drug addled state or not, the only one who looked really bad, was Misty. Ron was just an average Joe, (no pun intended), trying to make an honest living. There were a lot of people, and still are, who think Misty had some kind of spell on Ron, this was all her fault, and he should be let out of prison, because he's suffered enough. The Cummings did a wonderful PR job. And then he married her, and people swore they could tell from the wedding pictures that he was unhappy and didn't love her. whatever.... But they did support her, he did marry her, and he did shelter her from LE. Either this is the most fast forward moving bunch ever put on this earth, or the Cummings needed to keep Misty placated. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

Hmmmmm. I had considered this theory, but not too seriously. But now I have to consider it again. Accidental death has been put on the back burner by a lot of us because logic says there would be no reason to cover up an accidental death.

But, what if Haleigh had been left at home unsupervised and an accident happened? Ron would have lost Junior over that, and he would have faced some kind of "negligence resulting in death" charge and likely would have been convicted. I am not sure what kind of time he would serve for that but it would make sense that all adults in Haleigh's immediate environment at the time would try to cover up even an accidental death if the situation were such that if not for parental negligence, Haleigh would not have died.

In her post Beatrice said something similar. The real crime would be the cover-up of an accidental death. Yes, there would have been charges for negligence but the penalty might not have been huge if all had come clean in the beginning. But they couldn't, because no one wanted Ron seen as a negligent father and they didn't want to lose Junior.

Could the answer be this simple?

This is the theory that makes the most sense, IMO, and it puts responsibility on both Ron and Misty. The only thing that doesn't jibe, is Tommy's story. Why in the freakin' world would he have made up a worse story than the truth? a story that implicated himself as an accessory to murder? Whatever happened, may have started out like this theory...the kids left alone and Ron and Misty responsible, but somewhere during the night, Tommy inserted himself. Tommy doesn't belong in any scenario, except as a peripheral player, but here he is, right smack in the middle of all the action. I get the feeling that Ron and Misty left the kids a lot, and this night, it backfired. MOO.

 

[Beatrice]

I suspect Misty was at her parent's residence most of the afternoon/evening. And I don't believe Haleigh got a hold of anyone's drugs either.. I believe Ron C accidentally shot Haleigh when he was threatening Misty with a gun when he finally caught up with her at her parent's residence....JMHO

They are now saying Misty called her mother before calling anyone else.

 

[dodie20]

There are huge HURRICANE warnings here in Central Florida today.
I pray Haleigh's body will be found by the rain & winds.

My personal opinion is that Haleigh died by accident while in the bedroom watching videos. Misty had even said that Haleigh would climb up on the computer table to reset the movie again.

More than anything, Misty wanted to be the perfect girlfriend/babysitter for Ronald. She would lose Ronald to this knowledge. She made it about an abduction. With the help of her brothers...Big mistake.

Haleigh was originally placed in the dumpster & then moved.

I BELIEVE Ronald and Misty drove south 3.5 hours / 3 weeks later to dispose of Haleigh's body along the way.

Ron is driving an unknown black pick up truck. He is quite high & angry.
But, Misty is nowhere in sight. Ronald wants his MEMORIAL tattoos for free...not.

It seems to me they both deposited Haleigh's body a distance from his home.

(And....When did Ronald get the very large "HALEIGH" on his back?")

(Who's black SUV were they driving?)

Soooo....An accident gone wrong.
Others interested in their almighty drugs/usage.
The cover-up: The true crime.

' an accident gone wrong'...this is sort of what I think about some times, except I think it's possible that it was a kidnapping gone wrong. Ron was in trouble for school attendance, and was looking at jail time, according to CS, so it's possible that he was behind this, to buy some time. But then what happened? This is where this theory gets too unbelievable. 'The cover-up: The true crime.' No matter what happened, even if it was a cold blooded murder, I think you're right about the cover-up being a crime. MOO.

 

[krkrjx]

This is the theory that makes the most sense, IMO, and it puts responsibility on both Ron and Misty. The only thing that doesn't jibe, is Tommy's story. Why in the freakin' world would he have made up a worse story than the truth? a story that implicated himself as an accessory to murder? Whatever happened, may have started out like this theory...the kids left alone and Ron and Misty responsible, but somewhere during the night, Tommy inserted himself. Tommy doesn't belong in any scenario, except as a peripheral player, but here he is, right smack in the middle of all the action. I get the feeling that Ron and Misty left the kids a lot, and this night, it backfired. MOO.

I still think Tommy or someone helped with the clean-up.

The ONLY way I can even consider a bonafide accident--the type that kids have from time to time, such as a fall--is when I put myself into the mindset of our players.

Ron and his family would have tried to cover up the kids being alone, if they were. If this was not a fall but ingestion of a drug while Haleigh was unsupervised, I can see a cover-up even moreso!! If anything happened to either child while unsupervised there was a very good chance of the remaining child being removed from the home. Plus, there would be the stigma for the negligent parent.

What could have happened is they just panicked and staged a crime scene in order to protect Ron's image and to avoid criminal neglect charges. This would be especially so if it was drug ingestion. In most accident scenarios the child survives with timely medical treatment. But, if no one was home, Haleigh could have succumbed to whatever the trauma was.

I firmly believe Ron, Misty, TN, and the whole crew, never expected this case to get such publicity. And ironically, it might not have had those very individuals kept a low profile and not acted the ways they did. Their behaviors and inappropriate statements is what kept their situation in the limelight, in spite of the fact that I think they all really had hoped it would just go away in a short time.

Even more ironic is the fact that if this is what really happened, had they been honest in the beginning the situation would have just gone away in a short while. Any publicity would likely have remained local, IMO.

As for charges, I think only Ron would have faced any. There could be some charges for others if they actually were involved in removal of the body but no one would have faced much prison time, and maybe no prison time if it were proven the kids were not alone when Ron left for work. I do not believe Misty would have been charged with neglect even if she is the one who actually left the kids alone. Misty was not an adult and was not legally responsible for the kids. Ron bears that responsibility.

IDK if this is what went down but it is just as likely as other scenarios. If I allow myself to consider what THEY would do rather than what most people would do, I can easily see how this could be what happened.

 

[Beatrice]

I think Ron & Misty's 3.5 hour ride to Pinellas Park in the end of February was their disposal of Haleigh.
The Memorial tattoo, Misty nowhere to be found, Ron's reaction to the camera.....

 

[Emeralgem]

I think Ron & Misty's 3.5 hour ride to Pinellas Park in the end of February was their disposal of Haleigh.
The Memorial tattoo, Misty nowhere to be found, Ron's reaction to the camera.....

Personally, I doubt they carried Haleigh's body in any truck to dispose of her remains three and a half week later, unless she had been cremated and they made a decision to dispose of her ashes while on that trip for him to get a tattoo...JMHO

 

[4Jacy]

IMO. I believe in my mind and in my heart he shot her. I do believe it was an accident caused by him playing BAD AZZ with a gun, but nevertheless she died and he would have been charged with her death along with some other offenses I suspect.. He would have been sent to jail and lost Jr and they all knew it, thus a coverup was immediately put in to action to attempt to save his rear...JMHO

Em, I could go along with your theory, but I believe HC was at Hank & Lisa's house when she died. I also believe RC could have shot her being the BA that he was and is. However, didn't the LE search H & L's place? They would have, with luminal, found blood......unless....they didn't search it. OMG

But they could still find it with luminal even now...if they wanted too.

 

[lil momma]

Em, I could go along with your theory, but I believe HC was at Hank & Lisa's house when she died. I also believe RC could have shot her being the BA that he was and is. However, didn't the LE search H & L's place? They would have, with luminal, found blood......unless....they didn't search it. OMGBut they could still find it with luminal even now...if they wanted too.

BBM I will not speak for Em, but i do not recall H & L house being subject to a search. H&L weren't home the night in question. I guess LE may have just assumed that there would be no need to search it. JMO

ITA about the luminol, they would still be able to see traces of blood splatter even if it isn't able to be seen with the naked eye. JMO

 

[lil momma]

They are now saying Misty called her mother before calling anyone else.

Yes, but her dad(HankSr.) was in a hospital in Jacksonville,due to an auto accident and her mom was up there with HankSr.. Misty would have had the home to herself. JMO