General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

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There's not much doubt that Misty's family has been relentlessly targeted so LE must have their reasons. Also, L claimed in court, that she tried to blackmail Misty. with what, IDK...I was curious about H and L because even if on the surface, they seem to have an airtight alibi for that night, I can't help but wonder. I don't think for a second they were in on a murder, but I do think it's possible that L left the hospital. Her needing to stay with H doesn't wash with me, because he supposedly got out a few hours later. Did she have a ride? IDK how they got to the hospital or how they left. moo

i thought that hank had to be transported by ambulance from Jacksonville b/c he couldn't bend his leg or something like that. assuming there was an accident with injuries i feel it is probably safe to assume that he was also transported to the hospital by ambulance. i forgot which Croslin kids wives took Lisa to the hospital but i believe that it was Chelsea

IDK anymore, there are so many different way this could go. So VERY Sad! JMO
 
i thought that hank had to be transported by ambulance from Jacksonville b/c he couldn't bend his leg or something like that. assuming there was an accident with injuries i feel it is probably safe to assume that he was also transported to the hospital by ambulance. i forgot which Croslin kids wives took Lisa to the hospital but i believe that it was Chelsea

IDK anymore, there are so many different way this could go. So VERY Sad! JMO
Chelsea has told a version of this story, but IDK if I believe it, because some of her other stories are so unbelievable, IMO
 
Chelsea has told a version of this story, but IDK if I believe it, because some of her other stories are so unbelievable, IMO

Well, Chelsea has never lost any children in her care, and is just as baffled as the rest of us. She shouldn't even be a factor.
 
They are now saying Misty called her mother before calling anyone else.

yes, that is correct. you can hear misty almost say it to AH but she caught herself and corrected it.

I think rc called his momma first also...
 
And, was that not the house the other 911 call came from. Why has that call never been talked about? And just a few minutes b4 the call from Green Ln. And they're not related???? My bet is they are very related in some kind of way!

Nonni Brenda, My understanding is that first 911 call made at 2 something on the morning of the 10th came from Tommy Jr. and Lindsey's residence located at 116 Tyler.
 
Whisp- if you don't mind, could you tell me what you think happened to HaLeigh? If you think she was locked in the MH by herself with JR, do you think she got into the drugs and OD? Or do you think she fell or something and had a closed head injury?

Also, do you think it was AS who found her at that 7-7:30-8:00pm trip to bring clothes over to the MH?

I have been hanging onto this one since the beginning....JMO

and TIA :)

I'm hanging right there with ya, lil momma. I can say with certainty that rc, misty and his family wanted rc portrayed in the best possible light. I will also say they did this at every opportunity presented. Custody was uppermost in their thought processess. TN and Ron never let it rest. It was paramont to their cause.

With that in mind, ron either has guilty kge or was directly involved with this crime. I have no idea of how Haleigh died. I wish I did. There is no crime scene and no evidence. Every single theory is speculation.

In profiling these two, I am pretty sure misty didn't take kindly to ron announcing he was on the night shift. I bet she blew a gasket. Ron couldn't control her. All he could do was use a phone to keep her in check. I say misty slipped out at night. She was with Nay on Jan 28 during the hit and run. She met WBG's mother that night...and showed interest in meeting WBG. Combine this with Haleigh missing school too much in the two weeks prior and we can see there was trouble.

I think ron, tn, and AS wanted to make sure that under NO circumstances was it ever to get out that ron/misty left the children unsupervised. They played up what a great mature person misty was despite her age. The final coup de tat was the marriage promoted by TN offering up her own heirloom ring. (I hear she took it back a few weeks later).

1. I don't think there was an accident. negligence, for sure. Misty and or ron may have harmed this child and tommy helped hide the body. Whether Tommy told or called another for help is to be determined. Ron is addicted to the phone and he is a control freak. I am willing to bet after that last call @ 8:30 or so he hightailed it back to the house and misty was his target. Emeral's theory comes into play..and rc may have met to harm misty and Haleigh got in the way.

2..The other possibility is JO/Tommy took Haleigh from the home to harm her or worse...and misty let it happen. Misty could have told rc Haleigh died at the trailer when he left her alone and its his fault and she handled it so he wouldn't lose Jr.

3. misty also could have given Haleigh Xanax to force her to sleep. I don't think misty would have any aversion to doing so because I think it was available to her during her young life and she would do the same thing and use it to get the kids to sleep. Misty is a lot tougher than people think and frankly she could have handled this alone if needed. She may have told her brother a story/lie about what happened.

I'm pretty sure rc alerted TN to a problem at the house. I would like to know the time he called her. I would also like to know why TN could not go over and check on the children herself but chose to call her mother and send her over instead, referring to her as a "family member". Very vague terminology used here. It doesn't sit well with me.

As you can see, I am not much help in getting any closer to what happened. We need a crime scene and some evidence to know what happened. With a crime scene, you can determine if it is an organized crime or disorganized and that will guide you to the type of perp to do the deed. We have Nothing and it is frustrating. :banghead:
 
Well, Chelsea has never lost any children in her care, and is just as baffled as the rest of us. She shouldn't even be a factor.

IMO... From some of the statements Chelsea has made and the tidbits of information she has revealed I just don't view Chelsea as being baffled..JMHO
 
For Ron to have been away from his job long enough to take Haleigh out and bury her would, IMO, have been noticed by someone at the worksite. Even more noticeable would be him being late enough for his shift to have done all that. So, if Ron did not arrive considerably late for work or leave his work site for a considerable amount of time that night, someone else had to have taken Haleigh away.

It could not have been a Croslin. Ron would not trust any of them enough to leave such a task to them, IMO. It might have been TN. I doubt it was AS, although she could have played a key role in arranging for someone to do it.

If Misty and/or Tommy were the perps, Ron would not cover for them. Even if it meant some of his secrets (about other activities) getting out, I do not see Ron giving a pass to either one if he thought they had harmed his child. It's just too huge a transgression to let slide, even for Ronald Cummings.

If someone other than Ron removed Haleigh from the scene it had to be someone he trusted completely, and to me Ron does not appear to be a very trusting person in general. With something this huge, who could he trust? His mother or his grandmother? Maybe. But IMO either or both would have called someone else in, a male relative perhaps?

If Ron's family handled things for him that night, I seriously doubt that any Croslin knows much. I am sure they all speculate, but they don't have many facts.

I just can't see Ron calling Tommy to go to the scene and handle things--they didn't even like each other! But even if that happened and Tommy dutifully went to help his sister, where were Tommy's kids during that time? Lindsy wasn't home, and I can't see Tommy taking his kids with him. At least one of his kids was old enough to observe goings-on around him. At the very least, kids hamper one's ability to perform tasks in a timely manner. Could Tommy have taken Ron's call and then waited for Lindsy to get home before going to Misty's aid? I have doubts that a brother willing to commit a crime for his baby sister would leave her hanging for an hour or more. It's possible, but not probable IMO.

If Joe was the perp, he was the sole perp, IMO. Tommy's involvement in a Joe scenario seems unlikely--again remembering he was in charge of his kids that night, and IMO Ron would have turned them over to LE immediately, or more likely killed them both.

I can't see Ron leaving clean-up to any Croslin, working several hours overtime and then taking the time to stop at a store for beer and peanuts on his way home. Even if he stopped at the store hoping to secure his alibi, such action would require a level of trust in others that I just do not think Ron holds for any Croslin.

I can't see Misty or Tommy as the perps and Ron covering for either of them.

If Joe was the perp, he was the sole perp, IMO. And if that is so, Ron would not have covered anything up and would have cooperated fully with LE at all times. He would have been so heartbroken and inconsolable that it would have been impossible for him to go to the carnival, visit tattoo parlors, get married, pose for a variety of Kodak moments, etc.

The main problem I have with most scenarios is the number of people involved. Too many involved is not safe; it raises the possibility of someone cracking at some point. I do believe one or more of the Cummings clan (besides Ron) is involved because I do not believe Ron would trust any Croslin with something so serious.

I think Misty might not even have been there until all was taken care of at the scene, and then she was brought in to make it look as if the kids had a babysitter that night. I believe the kids were left alone--beyond that I have no clue as to what happened to cause Haleigh's demise.

I am 100% sure that by the time anyone checked on the kids, Haleigh was already gone. As much as I see the Cummings clan as dangerous and conniving, I cannot point to any one of them as being so heartless that they would deliberately leave an injured or ill child to suffer without intervention. If any one of them found a dying Haleigh, they would have rushed her to ER, IMO. And if none of them were involved in any event that led to Haleigh's demise, I believe they would have cooperated with LE to find the perp.

Unless there was no perp because it really was an accident caused by parental negligence, and the real crime is the cover-up.
 
For Ron to have been away from his job long enough to take Haleigh out and bury her would, IMO, have been noticed by someone at the worksite. Even more noticeable would be him being late enough for his shift to have done all that. So, if Ron did not arrive considerably late for work or leave his work site for a considerable amount of time that night, someone else had to have taken Haleigh away.

It could not have been a Croslin. Ron would not trust any of them enough to leave such a task to them, IMO. It might have been TN. I doubt it was AS, although she could have played a key role in arranging for someone to do it.

If Misty and/or Tommy were the perps, Ron would not cover for them. Even if it meant some of his secrets (about other activities) getting out, I do not see Ron giving a pass to either one if he thought they had harmed his child. It's just too huge a transgression to let slide, even for Ronald Cummings.

If someone other than Ron removed Haleigh from the scene it had to be someone he trusted completely, and to me Ron does not appear to be a very trusting person in general. With something this huge, who could he trust? His mother or his grandmother? Maybe. But IMO either or both would have called someone else in, a male relative perhaps?

If Ron's family handled things for him that night, I seriously doubt that any Croslin knows much. I am sure they all speculate, but they don't have many facts.

I just can't see Ron calling Tommy to go to the scene and handle things--they didn't even like each other! But even if that happened and Tommy dutifully went to help his sister, where were Tommy's kids during that time? Lindsy wasn't home, and I can't see Tommy taking his kids with him. At least one of his kids was old enough to observe goings-on around him. At the very least, kids hamper one's ability to perform tasks in a timely manner. Could Tommy have taken Ron's call and then waited for Lindsy to get home before going to Misty's aid? I have doubts that a brother willing to commit a crime for his baby sister would leave her hanging for an hour or more. It's possible, but not probable IMO.

If Joe was the perp, he was the sole perp, IMO. Tommy's involvement in a Joe scenario seems unlikely--again remembering he was in charge of his kids that night, and IMO Ron would have turned them over to LE immediately, or more likely killed them both.

I can't see Ron leaving clean-up to any Croslin, working several hours overtime and then taking the time to stop at a store for beer and peanuts on his way home. Even if he stopped at the store hoping to secure his alibi, such action would require a level of trust in others that I just do not think Ron holds for any Croslin.

I can't see Misty or Tommy as the perps and Ron covering for either of them.

If Joe was the perp, he was the sole perp, IMO. And if that is so, Ron would not have covered anything up and would have cooperated fully with LE at all times. He would have been so heartbroken and inconsolable that it would have been impossible for him to go to the carnival, visit tattoo parlors, get married, pose for a variety of Kodak moments, etc.

The main problem I have with most scenarios is the number of people involved. Too many involved is not safe; it raises the possibility of someone cracking at some point. I do believe one or more of the Cummings clan (besides Ron) is involved because I do not believe Ron would trust any Croslin with something so serious.

I think Misty might not even have been there until all was taken care of at the scene, and then she was brought in to make it look as if the kids had a babysitter that night. I believe the kids were left alone--beyond that I have no clue as to what happened to cause Haleigh's demise.

I am 100% sure that by the time anyone checked on the kids, Haleigh was already gone. As much as I see the Cummings clan as dangerous and conniving, I cannot point to any one of them as being so heartless that they would deliberately leave an injured or ill child to suffer without intervention. If any one of them found a dying Haleigh, they would have rushed her to ER, IMO. And if none of them were involved in any event that led to Haleigh's demise, I believe they would have cooperated with LE to find the perp.

Unless there was no perp because it really was an accident caused by parental negligence, and the real crime is the cover-up.

Great post krkr! I have always thought, in fact in my mind, (that's not saying much,) I am certain that RC's father and Uncle Donald were called in to take care of the body.

There is NO WAY RC could have buried, or in anyway disposed of Haleigh. I believe he really loved her and I believe she was his `heart.' That being said, because of type of person he was, he wasn't a very good parent. I'm sure at times he was very loving, giving and concerned, however, if the wrong buttons were pushed, or he was drugged up, many things probably happened to those children that would never happen to children growing up with mature, responsible parents.

I have too many theories to go into right now, but after WHATEVER happened to little Haleigh, RC called TN, TN called AS and together they orchestrated the disposal (ugh) using RC's father and Uncle Donald to do the actual deed. I'm sure that they were very upset with this, but willing to do whatever. They stick together, that's their motto, that's their creed, that's how they survive. MO
 
Dang!! Was hoping to still be able to edit so I could remove some of the repitition. I really need to make sure I have my coffee prior to posting. ;)
 
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It could not have been a Croslin. Ron would not trust any of them enough to leave such a task to them, IMO. It might have been TN. I doubt it was AS, although she could have played a key role in arranging for someone to do it.

If someone other than Ron removed Haleigh from the scene it had to be someone he trusted completely, and to me Ron does not appear to be a very trusting person in general. With something this huge, who could he trust? His mother or his grandmother? Maybe. But IMO either or both would have called someone else in, a male relative perhaps?

I can't see Misty or Tommy as the perps and Ron covering for either of them.

I am 100% sure that by the time anyone checked on the kids, Haleigh was already gone. As much as I see the Cummings clan as dangerous and conniving, I cannot point to any one of them as being so heartless that they would deliberately leave an injured or ill child to suffer without intervention. If any one of them found a dying Haleigh, they would have rushed her to ER, IMO. And if none of them were involved in any event that led to Haleigh's demise, I believe they would have cooperated with LE to find the perp.

Unless there was no perp because it really was an accident caused by parental negligence, and the real crime is the cover-up.

Krkrjx, this was a very good post and it makes a lot of sense. I too believe that by the time AS and TN were called into the picture Haleigh was already deceased. I feel like you...I don't see them being that heartless to leave an injured child, their own flesh and blood, to die without some type of intervention. I just don't see it.

IMO, Teresa and Annette has told many stories that cannot be overlooked..I too feel that if none of them had anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh, they would've cooperated fully with LE to find out the truth.. and IMO, the fact that they haven't cooperated fully with LE, you have to ask yourself WHY NOT. I don't see them covering or lying for anyone outside of their family. IMO, they all centered around Ron..and if Ron did not harm his daughter to cause her demise...then whatever the cause for her demise would've had a negative effect on Ron from a legal standpoint...There is no doubt in my mind that Ron is in someway responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh and IMO, The Cummings/Sykes/Neves knew that if the cause of her demise was found out, they would not only lose JR but they would lose Ron too.

JMO
 
Nonni Brenda, My understanding is that first 911 call made at 2 something on the morning of the 10th came from Tommy Jr. and Lindsey's residence located at 116 Tyler.

Oh, youre right .Em. I get confused so easily. Old age must be setting in. Thanks for correcting me :innocent:
 
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Krkrjx, this was a very good post and it makes a lot of sense. I too believe that by the time AS and TN were called into the picture Haleigh was already deceased. I feel like you...I don't see them being that heartless to leave an injured child, their own flesh and blood, to die without some type of intervention. I just don't see it.

IMO, Teresa and Annette has told many stories that cannot be overlooked..I too feel that if none of them had anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh, they would've cooperated fully with LE to find out the truth.. and IMO, the fact that they haven't cooperated fully with LE, you have to ask yourself WHY NOT. I don't see them covering or lying for anyone outside of their family. IMO, they all centered around Ron..and if Ron did not harm his daughter to cause her demise...then whatever the cause for her demise would've had a negative effect on Ron from a legal standpoint...There is no doubt in my mind that Ron is in someway responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh and IMO, The Cummings/Sykes/Neves knew that if the cause of her demise was found out, they would not only lose JR but they would lose Ron too.

JMO
well, they've pretty much lost Ron, for the next 15 years anyway, and they've lost custody of Jr...ironic, isn't it? We've read from Levi that LE in that area, (according to sources), doesn't really care for this family, Taking that into consideration, the Cummings/Sykes may have felt on the defensive and suspicious of their motives. If I thought cops didn't like my family, I'd be a little leery about working with them because I'd be scared they might try to pin something on us. Now in Ron's situation, he had plenty to hide and plenty to lose...even if he wasn't the perp. I can see how that could create a bad working relationship. Ron should've been an open book and laid all of his faults out on the table, but he didn't. Too many people in this case, are too suspicious of LE...and I can't say I blame them. MOO.
 
IMO... From some of the statements Chelsea has made and the tidbits of information she has revealed I just don't view Chelsea as being baffled..JMHO

And I dont see Chelsea as the perp who killed Haleigh and lied and had her family dispose of her to save Ronald Cummings, because I feel this is what this has all been about, and I know for sure Chelsea does not care about Ronald and if he did this, she tried to get the truth out of Misty. But Misty said at this point the truth is going to hurt two people. I dont think the truth is hurting Timmy. I think its hurting Annette and one or two of her children.
 
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Krkrjx, this was a very good post and it makes a lot of sense. I too believe that by the time AS and TN were called into the picture Haleigh was already deceased. I feel like you...I don't see them being that heartless to leave an injured child, their own flesh and blood, to die without some type of intervention. I just don't see it.

IMO, Teresa and Annette has told many stories that cannot be overlooked..I too feel that if none of them had anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh, they would've cooperated fully with LE to find out the truth.. and IMO, the fact that they haven't cooperated fully with LE, you have to ask yourself WHY NOT. I don't see them covering or lying for anyone outside of their family. IMO, they all centered around Ron..and if Ron did not harm his daughter to cause her demise...then whatever the cause for her demise would've had a negative effect on Ron from a legal standpoint...There is no doubt in my mind that Ron is in someway responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh and IMO, The Cummings/Sykes/Neves knew that if the cause of her demise was found out, they would not only lose JR but they would lose Ron too.

JMO

BBM I believe you have hit the nail on the head, Suspicious1. I totally agree with you. Now if we can figure out what in Ron's life he was doing wrong at that time (that we don't already know), that would be uncovered and punished, if not for the cover-up...we've got the answers.
We know the biggest parts of his criminal life at that time were drugs and guns, that we know of. He is now in prison for drug trafficing. But we still have so many questions about the guns. How many gun stories have we heard about, and how many guns are involved. What guns, and what people were associated with these guns? But I still think there is something else missing. What else is there that would keep this family from wanting justice for their precious child? Is it something they could all go to jail for? What else in the lives of the Cummings/Neves/Sykes family is that important? They have lost Haleigh; they have lost Jr. ; they have lost RC for 15 yrs. what else are they hiding?
 
BBM I believe you have hit the nail on the head, Suspicious1. I totally agree with you. Now if we can figure out what in Ron's life he was doing wrong at that time (that we don't already know), that would be uncovered and punished, if not for the cover-up...we've got the answers.
We know the biggest parts of his criminal life at that time were drugs and guns, that we know of. He is now in prison for drug trafficing. But we still have so many questions about the guns. How many gun stories have we heard about, and how many guns are involved. What guns, and what people were associated with these guns? But I still think there is something else missing. What else is there that would keep this family from wanting justice for their precious child? Is it something they could all go to jail for? What else in the lives of the Cummings/Neves/Sykes family is that important? They have lost Haleigh; they have lost Jr. ; they have lost RC for 15 yrs. what else are they hiding?

Does anyone an interview with Ronald,and they asked him who was watching junior right now, and he didn't want to say?
 
It could be that maybe, in the beginning, an accident did happen to Haleigh while the kids were left alone and she died. The family was afraid they would lose Jr. because of neglect. They thought they could convince LE that it was, in fact, a stranger abduction, no one would ever be the wiser; they would keep Jr. with no repercusions. Case closed.
Then when holes in their stories started popping up, more lies to cover for other lies, etc, it just got out of hand. It had all grown so big and more and more people involved, they started to realize that they had dug an even bigger hole, and would lose Jr. anyway, Ron would probably still go to jail, and all the others in the family who lied and helped cover up the "accident" would also go to jail too, which could involve the whole family, as well as the Croslin family...Then along came the drug bust to complicate things even more. Now they are just leaving well enough alone rather than add on even more charges for even more family members. I don't know...just thinking out loud again...
 
Does anyone an interview with Ronald,and they asked him who was watching junior right now, and he didn't want to say?

It was on NG's show, March 16, 2009 however he did tell NG that Jr. was with his grandmother.
 
And I dont see Chelsea as the perp who killed Haleigh and lied and had her family dispose of her to save Ronald Cummings, because I feel this is what this has all been about, and I know for sure Chelsea does not care about Ronald and if he did this, she tried to get the truth out of Misty. But Misty said at this point the truth is going to hurt two people. I dont think the truth is hurting Timmy. I think its hurting Annette and one or two of her children.

I have never stated I thought Chelsea was the perp. I have never stated I thought a Croslin was the perp.. However I do believe Chelsea knew/knows more than she originally claims she knew/knows..JMHO
 
Does anyone an interview with Ronald,and they asked him who was watching junior right now, and he didn't want to say?

I can't recall this interview Chablis. I have forgotten so much. Refresh my memory if you will...:waitasec:
 
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