General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Dr. Know?]

It's been a while since I've heard these two mentioned, and I am not sure I remember JB's last name. However, if I have guessed correctly, I suggest taking a look at his docket of 1/8/2009.

It's weird though...the case is closed but I can't see by the docket how it was closed. I see a trial date listed, then nothing after that but depo notifications, etc. No trial. No plea bargain. Maybe it's all there and I am just missing it?

No krkrjx, it was closed. I just assumed it was taken care of for his help in the undercover operation. Here again, there's guns involved....

Didn't see your post about the docket. oops

 

[Chablis]

Yes Em, Linda F has a brother I believe that works for PCSO. I saw his name the other day somewhere and now I can't find it. Will post if I find it again.

Found it.

It's on John B's court docket. It's his 1/8/09 docket (there are many). If you scroll down, you will see Sgt. Frank's name, a subpoena was issued for court.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php type in Barton%

I've seen his name elsewhere too.

I sometimes wonder why the PCSO does not look more into these types of people who insert themselves into these cases and befriend the family, and claim the child as one of their own, I mean that alone could set off a lot of flags for people, who really knows what happened to this little girl. All I am saying is people who drop their lives and absorb themselves into this stuff and live in the area and claim such things should be more looked into, and I am talking about their correspondence and what they do to protect the Cummings/Sykes family.

Weird.

 

[krkrjx]

No krkrjx, it was closed. I just assumed it was taken care of for his help in the undercover operation. Here again, there's guns involved....

Didn't see your post about the docket. oops

OK...if I am way out in left field for thinking this, please say so! But...

JB was let off his charges for his tip that Misty and Ron were dealing drugs all over the area. The drug sting was born of that tip, right?

Most of us did not fall for LE's spiel that the drug sting was unrelated to Haleigh, but when I look at JB's lengthy record and the fact that some of his charges were quite violent in nature--if HE was let go for helping get THEM behind bars, well, this cements for me that someone in FDLE believes without a doubt that those two were involved in Haleigh's demise.

Not PCSO...FDLE! The drug sting was their baby!

ETA: I recall it being said he and Linda are the ones who introduced the UC to one or more of the players. Maybe it was Misty? If not actually introduced, he put the UC in initial contact with her.

My point is JB is one violence-prone dude, yet LE wanted our players behind bars more than they wanted him!

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't know..Perhaps some sort of medical assistance considering Haleigh had been diagnosed with Turners Syndrome..I doubt he had any medical insurance from his places of employment.. He never stayed employed long enough...JMHO

My guess? Yes, he did not work long enough to get any medical insurance and did not work enough to pay rent monthly or buy food, etc. He most likely got help with it all since he had two children living in the MH.

 

[lonetraveler]

I found this info on someone's interpretation of part of the background comments. I found this just googling and asked permission to post it. The transcript in at the middle of the article.

Most interesting thing I found was Ron talking in the background about a lock being busted and his guns taken. All this time I assumed that Ron was examining the lock on the backdoor and now I'm thinking about changing my mind to the interpretation of Ron checking on his guns and the lock being busted on the gun cabinet. Please listen and read. Interested in what y'all think.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2010/04/haleigh-911-call-with-clearer.html

Yes, I'm quoting my own post............I'm lazy today. Anway, the transcript on this audio of the 911 call is just for the background voices. This transcript has Ron talking about a lock being busted (my guess is busted off of his gun cabinet) and his guns missing.

 

[lonetraveler]

Tommy has said that he was so high on xanax that he passed in and out of consciousness, so I doubt he cooked dinner. These people with their detailed family stories kill me. Ron and Misty sitting up all night to work out their problems...Misty cooking breakfast for the kids...Ron going out of his way, to get Haleigh's favorite outfit...Misty walking Haleigh all the way to class...Chelsea being upset because Ron wouldn't let her talk to Haleigh...Ron letting Haleigh drive home...AS doing the laundry so she could get the stains out...AS's visit...Misty being mature and the best gf Ron ever had...Haleigh wanting Ron and Misty to marry... Tommy cooking dinner...MOO. IMO, 99% of this stuff is false.

LOL, yeah! All the "normal" things they were all busy doing is enough to make me :sick: Way too much detail for these dysfunctional families........:crazy:

 

[dodie20]

LOL, yeah! All the "normal" things they were all busy doing is enough to make me :sick: Way too much detail for these dysfunctional families........:crazy:

Tommy showed what kind of dad he was by being high at the bus stop, so I doibt he cooked for his kids. They all spout off these loving family scenarios and expect them to be believed, even when there are verifiable records that tell a truer story. Tommy cooking, IMO, was an unnecessary and unbelievable detail. Misty supposedly cooked something for the kids at Ron's trailer, so when did this 2nd dinner come into play? Why didn't the kids eat a real meal at Tommy's instead of green beans at home? Also, I remember a report of LC stopping by Ron's either before, but I think after her class, and she supposedly ate there. So, did she eat 2 dinners? I'll have to go look, but it was an early report, so I'm gonna have to dig. Between eating and sleeping, when did they find time to get in trouble? MOO

 

[dodie20]

I've been thinking hard about why CC would claim Ron picked up Haleigh when witnesses say Misty picked her up. I don't think she would protect Ron, but I do think she'd protect Misty. this is a theory I've been working on...Misty picks up the kids, argues with LC & presumably Tommy, slaps Jr across the face, looks worn out and isn't her usual self. She'd had a rough weekend, so looking worn out was to be expected. On the way home, Haleigh acts up, so she pulls over and beats her with some kind of board. She tells Ron, but Haleigh seems ok and is riding her bike, Being more concerned with Misty's weekend than he is with Haleigh, he leaves. At some point that night, Ron and Misty argue because Haleigh's irritable and won't sleep. He tells her to spank her again. She does and this beating on top of the earlier one, is all it takes. Misty puts an even more injured Haleigh to bed with a movie. She turns off her phone and leaves. Hours later, she gets back home, and finds a deceased child. She screams, runs outside & crying, starts making phone calls. Ron, suspecting Misty, sends her packing to her mother's...but realizing that he has also been negligent, he gets back with her, in order to keep custody of Jr. He covers for Misty, Misty covers for him, and IDK what the heck Tommy has to do with anything or why he'd blame JO. I would guess that he callously disposed of Haleigh on his own, but instead of admitting it, he blamed it on being forced at gun point. This is a horrific theory, (as they all are), but it would explain Misty and Ron both being culpable. What got me to really considering that Misty might be the perp, was the supposed offer of immunity...because even with immunity, she would still serve the longest of any of them. It's MOO, that LE MIGHT be willing to trade a future sentence for closure...because she's sitting in the pen for 25 years anyway. It's MOO, that if Misty wasn't the perp, LE would've been inclined to shave off some drug years. IDK, about this theory, but it's something to think about. MOO.

 

[krkrjx]

Dodie, it makes a lot of sense that LE would offer Misty immunity for talking because they already have her behind bars for the next 24 years.

I have a nagging feeling, though, that she won't be in prison that long. I think they will all get out early. I don't know why I feel this, but I do feel it. And not without a wave of nausea.

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, it makes a lot of sense that LE would offer Misty immunity for talking because they already have her behind bars for the next 24 years.

I have a nagging feeling, though, that she won't be in prison that long. I think they will all get out early. I don't know why I feel this, but I do feel it. And not without a wave of nausea.

what doesn't seem to fit this theory, and I just thought of it, is Ron racing by the bus stop that morning and Misty claiming to have walked Haleigh all the way to class. It seems that whatever happened, started at least that morning...because I don't believe Misty. If it weren't for the witnesses seeing Haleigh after school, I wouldn't think she went. MOO. The thought of any of this group getting out of prison any time soon, makes me nervous. Except for Ron, none of them seem to have much of a life to return to, or anybody who could help. Misty was so dependent on the Cummings, Tommy needed LC, Hope just lost her mother...MOO.

 

[Flossie JMO]

LE said Ron picked HaLeigh up

 

[krkrjx]

what doesn't seem to fit this theory, and I just thought of it, is Ron racing by the bus stop that morning and Misty claiming to have walked Haleigh all the way to class. It seems that whatever happened, started at least that morning...because I don't believe Misty. If it weren't for the witnesses seeing Haleigh after school, I wouldn't think she went. MOO. The thought of any of this group getting out of prison any time soon, makes me nervous. Except for Ron, none of them seem to have much of a life to return to, or anybody who could help. Misty was so dependent on the Cummings, Tommy needed LC, Hope just lost her mother...MOO.

LE and the SA have a lot more info than we have, so I am hoping...

1. That they know enough about Ron's call to Tommy to know whether Tommy was at Magnolia or Tyler when he took that call.

2. That LE have spoken to school staff and know if Misty walked Haleigh to class that Monday or not.

3. That LE have spoken to the bus driver and know whether or not Haleigh got off the bus that Monday.

4. That even though there might not be enough evidence to charge anyone, they do have enough to have suspects (even if they may not be in a position to name them).

And a bunch of other stuff that I can't think of offhand because this case is such a mess that it makes my brain hurt.

 

[Emeralgem]

LE said Ron picked HaLeigh up

IIRC.. Captain Dick Schauland is the one who stated RC picked up Haleigh from the bus stop that afternoon and his information concerning the event came from Ron C, and Teresa Neves.. IMO their claim to the fact should not be be counted as being a reliable source. JMHO

 

[Chablis]

IIRC.. Captain Dick Schauland is the one who stated RC picked up Haleigh from the bus stop that afternoon and his information concerning the event came from Ron C, and Teresa Neves.. IMO their claim to the fact should not be be counted as being a reliable source. JMHO

Exactly. Why would anyone believe anyone who has a major agenda? These women LOVED Ronald and would do and say anything to protect him. I think Annette wanted Ron and Misty to stay with her so that she could keep an eye on them, and of course there is always perks that come with someone who is reeling in donations hand over fist. I bet she paid for nothing when he lived there. Maybe she was keeping her enemies close. Who knows?

 

[Eileen730]

Tommy showed what kind of dad he was by being high at the bus stop, so I doibt he cooked for his kids. They all spout off these loving family scenarios and expect them to be believed, even when there are verifiable records that tell a truer story. Tommy cooking, IMO, was an unnecessary and unbelievable detail. Misty supposedly cooked something for the kids at Ron's trailer, so when did this 2nd dinner come into play? Why didn't the kids eat a real meal at Tommy's instead of green beans at home? Also, I remember a report of LC stopping by Ron's either before, but I think after her class, and she supposedly ate there. So, did she eat 2 dinners? I'll have to go look, but it was an early report, so I'm gonna have to dig. Between eating and sleeping, when did they find time to get in trouble? MOO

Sad to say but i dont consider green beans dinner!
And i dont believe anything any one of them say!
For some reason i dont think any of them know what happend to Haleigh I think those children were home all alone and only god, Haleigh, and the person responsible knows what happened.

I think Misty went out and came home just before Ron did found Jr under the blankets scared and Haleigh gone.

If i remember correctly didnt ron call home numerous times and Misty never answered then he called Tommy to go check on them and tommy said no one asw the door and the lights were out?

I really think those two children were alone.

 

[Flossie JMO]

LE and the SA have a lot more info than we have, so I am hoping...

1. That they know enough about Ron's call to Tommy to know whether Tommy was at Magnolia or Tyler when he took that call.

2. That LE have spoken to school staff and know if Misty walked Haleigh to class that Monday or not.

3. That LE have spoken to the bus driver and know whether or not Haleigh got off the bus that Monday.

4. That even though there might not be enough evidence to charge anyone, they do have enough to have suspects (even if they may not be in a position to name them).

And a bunch of other stuff that I can't think of offhand because this case is such a mess that it makes my brain hurt.

I believe LE knows your points one through 4, and of course they have verified the information. They know HaLeigh was at school, know Ronald picked her up after school, and I believe they have their suspect in mind already, as named by the SA. Not sure how much they know about phone calls though. JMO

 

[Chablis]

I believe LE knows your points one through 4, and of course they have verified the information. They know HaLeigh was at school, know Ronald picked her up after school, and I believe they have their suspect in mind already, as named by the SA. Not sure how much they know about phone calls though. JMO

And that places Ronald with the child...alone.

Also, the LE in this case has said their are SEVERAL POI's, that means more than two. How many people around the child on her last day on earth are in jail? 3, and possibly 4.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I believe it was stated that neighbors saw HaLeigh in the yard playing after Ronald went to work. I'm not sure what your last point is about?

 

[grandmaj]

Stop personalizing posts, and being snarky or there will be TOs.

Post lands at random. Conduct yourselves according to the TOS and rules.

 

[Chablis]

I believe it was stated that neighbors saw HaLeigh in the yard playing after Ronald went to work. I'm not sure what your last point is about?

It was "stated" that neighbors saw her, but I have not personally seen one come forth. I need to see the actual person saying she was outside popping wheelies on her bike, and being a normal child, someone who has no agenda at all, and its a fact that person has never come forward, so I can't blindly believe that. If Teresa said to Marie, well a neighbor saw her outside after Ron went to work, well, that does not make it a fact, Teresa has an agenda to protect her son. And even if that happened, I know for sure the cops said they don't know when or where the crime occurred, she could have been outside playing after receiving a blow to her head from her daddy and died hours later like Natasha Richardson, these things really do happen and should be factored in here.