General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

Misty made the first move to leave Ron. Ron ended up getting arresting for the fight to keep Misty from leaving with her parents and Tommy.

TN admitted that Misty was acting "strange." Misty was going outside to talk on the cell phone where no one could hear her. Misty was acting scared of Ron and did not want to be around him.

What happened between the time Ron was willing to fight Misty's family to keep her and Ron filing for divorce? Tim Miller was called in by TN.

Tim Miller's tests destroyed Misty's credibility. The tests that Tim Miller said Misty at first refused until Ron and/or TN "talked" her into going against her attorneys' advice.

Ron no longer had to try to keep Misty happy because no one would believe her if she talked.

There are a lot of possibilities in this case, & 1 that I've never been able to quite let go of, is that Ron was covering for Misty. If he was, I don't think it's something they sat down & planned, but I do think it was understood, that if the **** hit the fan, she was on her own. A couple of things point to this. maybe the rat, & then after they were arrested, Misty reportedly mouthed out, 'I love you', to him in court, & he supposedly ignored her. The **** had hit the fan. Then the Joe story & search...& Ron's reaction was weird, to say the least. His response was very scripted & careful-in a legal way. (had to make sure he didn't say something that might point to him knowing, IMO). My reaction to his reaction, was that he seemed impressed that Misty had sent LE on yet, another wild goose chase, & he seemed impressed with her ability to not crack. I also noticed this in an early jail interview, when he was talking about how being locked up was driving him crazy. He seemed to admire Misty's adaptability. I interpreted Misty taking Tim Miller's tests, as a sign that they all were NOT in on a cover-up. Why take a chance of Misty tripping up & blurting the truth, when they could just keep her sheltered? I don't think TN was as gung-ho for those tests, as reported. I think GGS pushed for them, & then pushed TN to push them. After Misty showed deception on Ron's involvement, TN publicly blamed the messenger, but privately, things quickly unraveled for Ron & Misty. I think GGS insisted that Misty go, so Ron sent her packing, then divorced her, but as we all learned, they didn't really break-up. I think him getting back with her, is why he was reportedly living elsewhere & not at GGS's, when they got busted. & these are some of the reasons that lead me to believe that GGS wasn't in on a full blown cover-up. A lot of her actions, seemed to backfire on Ron. IDK, but Ron, in a lot of ways, struck me as cocky & smug in his non involvement...at least in a primary role. Even if he wasn't the killer, I think he was most definitetly in on a cover-up...either to cover Misty being the killer, or to cover her involvement, but also to cover his own crimes. For instance...if Tommy was the killer, Misty was somehow involved, so Ron decided to cover the whole thing, so Misty wouldn't get in trouble, & so his drugs & gun, & no telling what other activity wouldn't become police knowledge. He wanted to keep custody of Jr. If this is close, I think TN was on to Ron, so she too went into defense mode, but GGS, IMO, truly seemed left out.

 

[Baznme]

The problem I have is Ron's willingness to divorce Misty. If Ron married Misty to keep her quiet, divorce would not have been an option for Ron and he would have stayed married to Misty.

His answer to NG one night about the divorce was: "We can't go anywhere together, they won't leave us alone".....also added, "hope everyone is happy now". Another point to add is that they've never stopped seeing each other so the divorce was a facade as was the marriage.

If Ron married Misty to keep her quiet, and TN and AS were aware of his role in HaLeigh’s disappearance, TN, AS and Misty would have talked him out of the divorce in order to protect his secret, but AFAIK, there was no opposition to Ron's decision to divorce Misty.

Again, refer to comment above.

Ron would have realized that by breaking his promise to Misty, their mutual agreement would no longer be in effect, and unless Misty is dead, another way to prevent her from turning him in to LE would be to pay her a large sum of money.

More to the point as money has never been brought up in anything I've seen out there, another way to prevent her from turning him in to LE would be if he threatened to expose her illegal activities and/or threatened her well being. Seems he did not let her wander too far off unless he knew where she was.

If Ron refused to pay Misty a large sum of money to keep silent when he wanted out of the marriage, Misty had an opportunity to blackmail Ron, but we know after they divorced, Misty did not have enough money to "start over" and she depended on her family and sold drugs to survive.

No facts or even speculation to support this theory. If anything, they were blackmailing each other with information.

Now that they are both incarcerated, if Misty was withholding information from LE about Ron because she fears members of his family would harm her after she was released from jail, she would be eligible for the witness protection program.

Once you're involved in drug activity and get caught, there's no place to hide.

IMO, if Misty had information about HaLeigh, and an acceptable agreement wasn't made when Ron divorced Misty, Misty would have "talked" to LE because it gives her an opportunity to get her jail sentence reduced which is her only concern at this point in time.

I think she's been threatened, IMO. There's only one person that took her to the bridge and explained to her how easy it would be to dispose of a body there. Guess who. All MOO

JMO

My comments above in red.

 

[lonetraveler]

Bluesky thanks for bringing up the subject of divorce. I too have questions about it, maybe more than I have about the sudden marriage.

If the reason for marrying Misty was because Ron and his mom believed Misty could not testify against her husband then once he and TN discovered that would not protect Ron, a divorce might be in order.

But, it seems the divorce came along when LE kept insisting Misty was the "key." I think Ron wanted to get as far away as possible from Misty.

However when it comes to all the schemes for marriage followed not long after with divorce, I believe all these plans came from TN. I do believe she was ringleader on covering what happened to Haleigh.

She was telling Ron what to do and how to appear in public as each of these things occured. I even have visions dancing in my head of TN rehearsing Ron in the livingroom one evening teaching him how to drop to the ground and cry his eyes out because his daughter was missing.

And just why would TN become the chief director of how Ron can maintain his innocence, because TN knows the entire truth about what happened to her grandaughter Haleigh. She's as deep into this ruse as her son is.
jmo

:clap::clap::clap: Hi Friend! Great post and I totally and absolutely agree with you.

 

[lonetraveler]

Something that I have thought about a lot but never commented on is the old saying that you can catch more flies with honey, than salt. I know that LE continuously commented that Misty was the "Key" and they repeatedly tried to get her to tell the truth BUT did LE ever offer her a sweet deal to spill all or did they just use the "Bad cop" routine? Why was Ron the only one with a deal? I have not heard any statements or even rumors stating that Misty was offered anything in return for her testimony, why? If she was the "Key" they should have been buttering her up for a sweet deal. If Ronald knows nothing (that is the reason Ronald gave for not talking to LE for all those months) then why offer him anything? If he is just going to give a tiny bit of information on a timeline (which I believe LE should have had nailed down a long time ago, anyway), why waste a deal on Ronald? Why wasn't a deal offered to Misty that she just couldn't refuse?:waitasec:

 

[Beatrice]

My theory:

Ronald had many serious addictions (Sex, drugs, control, etc.)
He knew he could manipulate another young lost girl to babysit for him & keep up the house. Keeping the house & children was control/power over Crystal. He got Misty started on her own drug/sex addictions.

Haleigh died that night...Whether accidentally or deliberately...RC's 911 call demeanor is one of GRIEF...Not hysteria. You can hear this grief in his voice/sobs that night and in days to come.

IMO Haleigh's body was disposed of by RC and MC 2 weeks later, the day they drove 3.5 hours south to Pinellas Park, FL...for a tattoo???? A MEMORIAL tattoo...RC is obviously high, Misty is out of sight of the cameras & RC is telling the tattoo people how he gets so much for free......:waitasec:

It all just goes to show the power of ADDICTIONS...They come first to the addict.

 

[suspicious1]

Bluesky thanks for bringing up the subject of divorce. I too have questions about it, maybe more than I have about the sudden marriage.

If the reason for marrying Misty was because Ron and his mom believed Misty could not testify against her husband then once he and TN discovered that would not protect Ron, a divorce might be in order.

But, it seems the divorce came along when LE kept insisting Misty was the "key." I think Ron wanted to get as far away as possible from Misty.

However when it comes to all the schemes for marriage followed not long after with divorce, I believe all these plans came from TN. I do believe she was ringleader on covering what happened to Haleigh.

She was telling Ron what to do and how to appear in public as each of these things occured. I even have visions dancing in my head of TN rehearsing Ron in the livingroom one evening teaching him how to drop to the ground and cry his eyes out because his daughter was missing.

And just why would TN become the chief director of how Ron can maintain his innocence, because TN knows the entire truth about what happened to her grandaughter Haleigh. She's as deep into this ruse as her son is.
jmo

Good post, Az..I am one who believed that the marriage was all about them not being able to testify against each other...I also believe that Teresa was the "ringleader" behind this coverup. IMO, Ron did not look like the happy groom in his wedding video. He may have been feeling the pressure of being put in a position where he HAD to marry Misty...not because he wanted to...not because that's what Haleigh would've wanted...but because he had no other choice..In one of the news videos about the marriage (don't have time to search for the link), but it was reported that PCSO felt the marriage may cause problems for them (pcso) "later on down the line".

IMO, LE had been calling Misty the key for a very long time...before the marriage LE was already onto Misty's lies, iirc. So In the mist of that we saw the marriage and the divorce. I don't think the divorce was about Ron getting as far away as possible from Misty...IMO, it was to create the illusion that Ron was "coming to his senses" and getting rid of Misty...after the divorce, Ron was heard saying "Now go find my daughter"....as if him cutting Misty loose was going to bring some resolution to this case...maybe it would've if he actually left her alone...but we all know that really didn't happen...IMO, him and Misty was still very much together..they just wanted it to "appear" to be something else...IMO, this has went on alot in this case.."illusions"..it makes you think twice about what Tim Miller said "things aren't what they seem". I believe him.

Marriage = the illusion of unity, love
Divorce = the illusion of separation, distance

I agree that Teresa is at the center of all this and knows exactly what happened...I wouldn't even be surprised if Teresa is the "KEY". JMO of course

 

[azwriter]

Good post, Az..I am one who believed that the marriage was all about them not being able to testify against each other...I also believe that Teresa was the "ringleader" behind this coverup. IMO, Ron did not look like the happy groom in his wedding video. He may have been feeling the pressure of being put in a position where he HAD to marry Misty...not because he wanted to...not because that's what Haleigh would've wanted...but because he had no other choice..In one of the news videos about the marriage (don't have time to search for the link), but it was reported that PCSO felt the marriage may cause problems for them (pcso) "later on down the line".

IMO, LE had been calling Misty the key for a very long time...before the marriage LE was already onto Misty's lies, iirc. So In the mist of that we saw the marriage and the divorce. I don't think the divorce was about Ron getting as far away as possible from Misty...IMO, it was to create the illusion that Ron was "coming to his senses" and getting rid of Misty...after the divorce, Ron was heard saying "Now go find my daughter"....as if him cutting Misty loose was going to bring some resolution to this case...maybe it would've if he actually left her alone...but we all know that really didn't happen...IMO, him and Misty was still very much together..they just wanted it to "appear" to be something else...IMO, this has went on alot in this case.."illusions"..it makes you think twice about what Tim Miller said "things aren't what they seem". I believe him.

Marriage = the illusion of unity, love
Divorce = the illusion of separation, distance

I agree that Teresa is at the center of all this and knows exactly what happened...I wouldn't even be surprised if Teresa is the "KEY". JMO of course

Oh yes, suspicious, the wedding scene. If someone had put a dog collar around Ron's neck, he couldn't have looked any more unhappier. Body language spoke loud at that ceremony. He did not want to be there. And he could not hide that.

The fact that Teresa was always willing to be front and center on any television show or speaking with the print media tells me she was more than concerned about losing her granddaughter but was orchestrating the entire family's reaction. She was setting the tone.

Remember Ron outside the tattoo parlor? He certainly needed his mother then. He absolutely was a viper toward the reporter. Most parents want and need the public exposure to help find a missing child and keep the case public as well as begging the public to help. Ron didn't appeal to anyone during that meeting. He only wanted the camera out of his face and for the reporter to leave and stop the questions.

The big question for me is what happened during the short period of marriage for Ron and Misty. I do believe she wanted out of that situation. To be away from Ron and his mom and grandmother. Was Misty frightened? Did she begin to question what was expected of her? Was she learning things about Haleigh's disappearance that was alarming her?

And my biggest question now is why is she holding back and not talking about the night in question. She knows something that can break the case, I do believe this. But what is keeping her silent? I think if we knew this, we would be able to solve what happened that night. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

After rc married misty and hired an attorney to help him with the media, the first thing they said was that they were representing rc only. At this point, rc cut off LE and had his wife do the same. He said he has nothing to tell them. But why did he not want them to help mc. He kept her seperate from him and would not his attorneys help her...strange to say the least..

By August of 09, FDLE forced him in and insisted he explain the phone records to them. rc was not going there w/o his Criminal Defense Attorney. Shoemaker said they only thing they were going to discuss with FDLE were the phone calls. Can anyone tell me why it would take 6 months to finally get rc to explaine the calls? He could not have been accurate about their content. Afterall, there were many, many calls. LE tells us in September they are having a problem with the technology in this case. I guess so because if they had technology or the actual phones on Feb. 10, the case should have been solved. Can anyone tell me why they didn't have everyone's phone immediately and why the technology is problematic?

I suspect that LE didn't take rons, mistys, tn's or AS's phones and that text msgs, if used, were erased. The window to retrieve information is very limited and I think that LE neglected to take all of their phones. If not, then the players did not cooperate and hand them over. LE has numbers and times but has no content. They also have no GPS on the phones with the exception of a few pings at Palatka. Satsuma doesn't even have a tower.

I get the impression ron is happy to be where he is. He predicted it from day one and is among people like himself. He has found a home. He always knew he was going to prison and is relieved he went as a drug dealer.

 

[suspicious1]

Oh yes, suspicious, the wedding scene. If someone had put a dog collar around Ron's neck, he couldn't have looked any more unhappier. Body language spoke loud at that ceremony. He did not want to be there. And he could not hide that.

The fact that Teresa was always willing to be front and center on any television show or speaking with the print media tells me she was more than concerned about losing her granddaughter but was orchestrating the entire family's reaction. She was setting the tone.

Remember Ron outside the tattoo parlor? He certainly needed his mother then. He absolutely was a viper toward the reporter. Most parents want and need the public exposure to help find a missing child and keep the case public as well as begging the public to help. Ron didn't appeal to anyone during that meeting. He only wanted the camera out of his face and for the reporter to leave and stop the questions.

The big question for me is what happened during the short period of marriage for Ron and Misty. I do believe she wanted out of that situation. To be away from Ron and his mom and grandmother. Was Misty frightened? Did she begin to question what was expected of her? Was she learning things about Haleigh's disappearance that was alarming her?

And my biggest question now is why is she holding back and not talking about the night in question. She knows something that can break the case, I do believe this. But what is keeping her silent? I think if we knew this, we would be able to solve what happened that night. jmo

BBM

You are hilarious! But that's exactly how it seemed to me. Ron did not want to be apart of that wedding. IMO, Teresa is the central figure in all this.

JMO of course

 

[BobbieBu]

Haleigh it's time to come home baby girl! Please god let there be a break where this precious little one can be brought to rest and play and have fun with her wings while dancing with the other angels!

 

[4Jacy]

After rc married misty and hired an attorney to help him with the media, the first thing they said was that they were representing rc only. At this point, rc cut off LE and had his wife do the same. He said he has nothing to tell them. But why did he not want them to help mc. He kept her seperate from him and would not his attorneys help her...strange to say the least..

By August of 09, FDLE forced him in and insisted he explain the phone records to them. rc was not going there w/o his Criminal Defense Attorney. Shoemaker said they only thing they were going to discuss with FDLE were the phone calls. Can anyone tell me why it would take 6 months to finally get rc to explaine the calls? He could not have been accurate about their content. Afterall, there were many, many calls. LE tells us in September they are having a problem with the technology in this case. I guess so because if they had technology or the actual phones on Feb. 10, the case should have been solved. Can anyone tell me why they didn't have everyone's phone immediately and why the technology is problematic?

I suspect that LE didn't take rons, mistys, tn's or AS's phones and that text msgs, if used, were erased. The window to retrieve information is very limited and I think that LE neglected to take all of their phones. If not, then the players did not cooperate and hand them over. LE has numbers and times but has no content. They also have no GPS on the phones with the exception of a few pings at Palatka. Satsuma doesn't even have a tower.

I get the impression ron is happy to be where he is. He predicted it from day one and is among people like himself. He has found a home. He always knew he was going to prison and is relieved he went as a drug dealer.

Like your theory Whisp, however the first screw-up is when they (LE) failed to separate RC and MC and question them. Also, TN and GGM should not have been permitted in because at the time LE considered it a crime scene.

This case is as poorly investigated as the JBR case!!!! :banghead:

 

[azwriter]

BBM

You are hilarious! But that's exactly how it seemed to me. Ron did not want to be apart of that wedding. IMO, Teresa is the central figure in all this.

JMO of course

Yes, I am hilarious. People always laugh at me. When I think back to the wedding and Ron's attitude, I'm surprised he showed up and didn't just phone his vows in.

 

[azwriter]

Haleigh it's time to come home baby girl! Please god let there be a break where this precious little one can be brought to rest and play and have fun with her wings while dancing with the other angels!

Beautiful thought BobbieBu.

 

[1Chump]

Yes, I am hilarious. People always laugh at me. When I think back to the wedding and Ron's attitude, I'm surprised he showed up and didn't just phone his vows in.

I don't think the wedding was about not being able to testify against each, I think it was about getting control of Misty. At that time, Misty was a minor. Misty's parents were legally responsible for Misty.

Misty's parents were not people who could be trusted to do what was in their daughter's best interest. Misty's parents were people who would be willing to do what was in their best interest. Misty's parents were people who would do things for money and/or drugs even if it hurt their children.

About the time the wedding, many in the media were asking why Ron was not being charged with statutory rape. Misty's parents had the legal right to file statutory rape charges against Ron even if Misty did not want them too. Misty's parents were also the ones who could give permission to LE for everything with Misty.

I think marrying Misty was about getting control from Misty's parents. I bet it really angered Ron that his control over Misty was not enough. I bet he was furious when he realized that he was not as smart as he thought and Misty's parents were a huge risk.

 

[Crosby87]

After rc married misty and hired an attorney to help him with the media, the first thing they said was that they were representing rc only. At this point, rc cut off LE and had his wife do the same. He said he has nothing to tell them. But why did he not want them to help mc. He kept her seperate from him and would not his attorneys help her...strange to say the least..

By August of 09, FDLE forced him in and insisted he explain the phone records to them. rc was not going there w/o his Criminal Defense Attorney. Shoemaker said they only thing they were going to discuss with FDLE were the phone calls. Can anyone tell me why it would take 6 months to finally get rc to explaine the calls? He could not have been accurate about their content. Afterall, there were many, many calls. LE tells us in September they are having a problem with the technology in this case. I guess so because if they had technology or the actual phones on Feb. 10, the case should have been solved. Can anyone tell me why they didn't have everyone's phone immediately and why the technology is problematic?

I suspect that LE didn't take rons, mistys, tn's or AS's phones and that text msgs, if used, were erased. The window to retrieve information is very limited and I think that LE neglected to take all of their phones. If not, then the players did not cooperate and hand them over. LE has numbers and times but has no content. They also have no GPS on the phones with the exception of a few pings at Palatka. Satsuma doesn't even have a tower.

I get the impression ron is happy to be where he is. He predicted it from day one and is among people like himself. He has found a home. He always knew he was going to prison and is relieved he went as a drug dealer.

Ron sure looked frightened when he was transported to prison though.

When Ron divorced Misty and told LE "now go find my daughter" I wonder if LE interpreted that to mean Misty knew more and she was withholding information from them?

Whisperer, Chelsea told Levi TN was living at Lake Como when HaLeigh disappeared. Levi wanted to know why TN arrived at Ron's so quickly but Chelsea didn't have an answer. She said her last conversation with Misty was taped and maybe JVM could air it but that never materialized.

<snip>

LEVI PAGE: Where exactly was Teresa living when HaLeigh went missing?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Teresa the whole time had been living in I think it’s called Lake Como, it’s right after San Mateo and Satsuma but right before Crescent City. And it was a little trailer. Supposedly we were told that Ronald had owned the trailer and that they were living there but after the fact we find out it was just something they were just renting I guess.

LEVI PAGE: Everybody with us is Chelsea Croslin and you know what’s also interesting is Chelsea is, Teresa said she got there so fast. Has Misty ever said anything about Teresa maybe knowing something or do you know anything about that?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Well on this last phone call you know I have always tried to keep the peace with the Cummings family honestly because especially when I heard there was a funeral for HaLeigh that’s something that would kill me to not have the closure, for me or my family to not be able to attend the funeral so I have always just kind of wanted to just kiss butt with them. Now I am at the point where I just don’t care. So when I was speaking with Misty on the phone the other day and I was asking her everything about the family, it was more Ronald that I was trying to get out of her and it was more granny and Teresa that she was giving me. I don’t want to sound like a dummy or anything but I honestly wasn’t really listening to every detail that Misty had said to me

LEVI PAGE: I understand. I understand.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Because I wanted to ask so many questions and I figured at least the Police on the other end could listen to the answers so maybe Jane Velez can pull that tape for us because I am pretty sure it was a good one.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show

 

[dodie20]

Oh yes, suspicious, the wedding scene. If someone had put a dog collar around Ron's neck, he couldn't have looked any more unhappier. Body language spoke loud at that ceremony. He did not want to be there. And he could not hide that.

The fact that Teresa was always willing to be front and center on any television show or speaking with the print media tells me she was more than concerned about losing her granddaughter but was orchestrating the entire family's reaction. She was setting the tone.

Remember Ron outside the tattoo parlor? He certainly needed his mother then. He absolutely was a viper toward the reporter. Most parents want and need the public exposure to help find a missing child and keep the case public as well as begging the public to help. Ron didn't appeal to anyone during that meeting. He only wanted the camera out of his face and for the reporter to leave and stop the questions.

The big question for me is what happened during the short period of marriage for Ron and Misty. I do believe she wanted out of that situation. To be away from Ron and his mom and grandmother. Was Misty frightened? Did she begin to question what was expected of her? Was she learning things about Haleigh's disappearance that was alarming her?

And my biggest question now is why is she holding back and not talking about the night in question. She knows something that can break the case, I do believe this. But what is keeping her silent? I think if we knew this, we would be able to solve what happened that night. jmo

IMO, Ron knew Haleigh was dead, & he was getting a memorial tattoo. So, when I consider the emotions he was going through, I can understand his venom towards the reporters. BUT...Ron was still wanting the public to think he was uninvolved, & had faith Haleigh was coming home. I'm not young, but I can understand the significance behind that tattoo. I would imagine it was a huge deal to Ron, & a private day he didn't want to share with reporters. To go from mourning Haleigh's death, (& I think him getting that tattoo was an acceptance), to answering questions about leads & searches, would be next to impossible. But why did he share that day with Misty? If nothing else, that tattoo proved in my mind, anyway, that Ron knew Haleigh was dead. I've known people who've gotten similar tattoos, & the portrait, where time is stopped in its tracks, was a giveaway to me. I would have expected something else if Ron thought Haleigh was alive...maybe an inspirational passage about coming home, or some kind of tribal symbol for hope, underlined with her name. People do get portraits for other reasons, but they mark good times they want to remember, not a kidnapping.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

You are hilarious! But that's exactly how it seemed to me. Ron did not want to be apart of that wedding. IMO, Teresa is the central figure in all this.

JMO of course

Well, you have to wonder why someone would buy the cow when they are getting the milk free. There was no logical reason for Ron to marry Misty except for Ron and Teresa (out of ignorance) believed that Misty would not be able to testify against Ronald about Haleigh's demise. They of course found out later that that law did not apply to their situation (involving the death of a child). It was obvious to me that Ronald was following the dictation of his mother in marrying Misty. This whole family clan thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I have a lot of problem with how LE lost valuable time in investigating the right people for this crime. Evidence has been lost due to their being over their heads in this case. I'm even more pizzed off that now they, LE, think that since they have people serving time that all is well with Haleigh's case. That is simply unacceptable! :furious:

 

[lonetraveler]

Anyone who had a dry eye tonight after watching Jane Valez Mitchell's special on missing and murdered children has to have a stone cold heart. I'm known to my family and friends as a strong person, not given to tears and emotion, but tonight I lost that when Jessica Lundsford's father told the horrible story of Jessica's kidnapping and murder. I had to think too about no one being there to tell Haleigh's story. No loving father, no mother or grandmother because Haleigh's body has not been found. This really pizzzzzed me off big time. The grandmother who knows it all, IMO, should be shamed to death and should never be able to show her face to the public, ever again. I truly hope that anyone who knows where Haleigh is never sleeps again and I hope that their conscience, assuming that they have one, shows them no peace, ever for the rest of their lives. I hope they never have another peaceful day or night forever.

 

[dodie20]

Anyone who had a dry eye tonight after watching Jane Valez Mitchell's special on missing and murdered children has to have a stone cold heart. I'm known to my family and friends as a strong person, not given to tears and emotion, but tonight I lost that when Jessica Lundsford's father told the horrible story of Jessica's kidnapping and murder. I had to think too about no one being there to tell Haleigh's story. No loving father, no mother or grandmother because Haleigh's body has not been found. This really pizzzzzed me off big time. The grandmother who knows it all, IMO, should be shamed to death and should never be able to show her face to the public, ever again. I truly hope that anyone who knows where Haleigh is never sleeps again and I hope that their conscience, assuming that they have one, shows them no peace, ever for the rest of their lives. I hope they never have another peaceful day or night forever.

The Jessica Lunsford case, changed my views of the death penalty. Some monsters are better off dead.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think Chelsea knew everything about tn and where she was living. She was getting her info from misty and maybe some others who have an interest in tn living in PP. I believe that Rita Lane is very interesting and there is a story there. They all have been listed as living there at one time or another (except tn). As of march, this year, tn has officially (finally) given that as her residence. I don't look for it be long term. TN moves constantly. For some reason that tiny trailer stays within the family. I maintain it is an extra bed or flop for anyone in the family who needs it. It has been around for about 7 years now (at minimum) sitting on somebody else's land. It is not on a legal parcel as there is no 105 listed....

There is no way to prove if she was in PP thatparticular day or Fruitland Park, unless there is a witness. I heard both CC and TN were around the area on Feb 9. Rumor has it that CC's kids were with Jeff in Lady Lake...so that is left up to others to prove true or not.

For many years tn has lived with her BF, and not in PP, but Fruitland Park. CC also lives/d out there in Lady Lake area too.

I guess the entire thing is now moot because nobody has come forward with where Crystal C. and Tn were on Feb 7,8,9. Jeff would know, but we will never know the truth.

Chelsea only knows what misty has said. Did Chelsea happen to say where CC was living at the time?