General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[krkrjx]

I know abandonment was given as the reason, but Ron's lawyer said that Ron was given an offer to go back on a Monday, (can't remember what Monday), but the Friday before that Monday, the offer was withdrawn. If that's what really happened...that's not abandonment! So, it looks like, as some others have posted, that Ron either abandoned his job that night, or they all 'settled' on the official reason. IDK...but, going back to the beginning of this case, sure brings up a lot of unanswered questions. In hindsight, it shows what a good lawyer, Shoemaker really is. That guy has done his job & then some. So many suspicious issues have been pushed into the background...& this case has become about...Ron the innocent, getting a 'sweet' deal, Tommy the druggie, getting what he deserved, & Misty the mastermind, getting the door slammed in her face. wooaah, somebody needs to put on the brakes. Them going to prison, isn't the end of this case...no matter who all would like it to be. MOO.

Exactly! You can't abandon your job in advance! So, if Ron was to go back on Monday but was told on Friday not to come back, it was not for the reason stated. Meaning, Ron's termination was not because he failed to show up as scheduled after his leave of absence, and it wasn't because he neglected to keep in touch with his employer.

It still could be a job abandonment issue, though. If the company found out Ron had left the work site during any work shift, that might be job abandonment.

Another thing I must question: The company allegedly instructed their employees not to discuss anything having to do with RC's employment and subsequent termination with anyone outside of the workplace. WTH?

 

[Chablis]

Ya know, I am pretty sure Rons family and supporters follow the boards and report back to the family. Now,a major point of contension here is Rons work hours. Its still being argued about. Now I ask, why when Ron was free, did he not address what time he was at work to the media to clear up those mean bloggers who cant let his work hours go? I mean dont you think he would have done that?

There is a problem with his work hours and it starts from the beginning when he told someone he worked 8 hours that night and came home to find his child missing.

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped For Comment~

It's hard to know for sure what happened with Ron's job so of course all any of us can do is speculate, but even when a lawyer made a statement about the work hours, it was in a way that avoided a direct response to the question. Lawyers are usually pretty good at skirting the issue and avoiding elaborating any more than they absolutely have to, and Shoemaker seems quite skilled in this regard, IMO.

BBM

I agree with your entire post, but wanted to particularly comment regarding Shoemaker's skill at skirting the issue. IMO, his skill set was never more refined than during the following response of 9/28/09 on the Nancy Grace show.

GRACE: Terry a well known attorney in the Jacksonville area. Number one, are there witnesses placing Ronald Cummings at work about 30 minutes before he was supposed to punch in and that he was there until his shift ended, the night shift? Yes, no.

SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.

SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html

One word, "have", used in the present tense, as opposed to "had" for the relevant time period being discussed, steers Mr. Shoemaker around the rocky waters of that type clock in system possibly having been installed AFTER February 9, 2009.

 

[krkrjx]

Papa, I will take that further: It is not a stretch to think that PDM changed their clock-in system when it became clear to them that employees may have been able to come and go without detection during any work shift.

Something came between Ron and his employer. Again I am speculating that management found out Ron had in fact skipped out on part of a shift one or more times during his employment. And I do not think I am the only person speculating as such. If this could easily be cleared up by anyone, why hasn't it been?

 

[bessie]

I think Ron's termination was a CYA move on PDM's part. I don't consider it as evidence of their opinion that Ron is guilty in Haleigh's disappearance. Looking at the situation from the eyes of the company's directors, if I might be so bold to do so for a moment, whether or not Ron is guilty didn't really matter. The business couldn't afford to risk the collateral damage from one employee's misfortune. Drugs, a teenage girlfriend, and all of the other sordid details and their implications promised to be a PR nightmare. Ample reason to separate the company from the situation pronto. Cooperate with LE, provide them with information if requested (upon the advice of counsel), but do whatever is necessary to keep the PDM name out of the news and hope for the best. That would be SOP for any large business under the circumstances, nothing unusual.

Florida is an at-will state which means that an employee can be fired for virtually any reason that doesn't violate certain labor and EEO laws. There was little Ron or his attorney could do to fight PDM's decision to terminate Ron. Naturally, they would be even more reluctant to do so if PDM had evidence of an infraction on Ron's part, but we shouldn't make an assumption that such evidence exists simply based upon the fact Ron was fired.

As for Ron's work schedule, however, that has always been a major sticking point for me. I agree with krkrjx about the fancy footwork used to dance around the big question. It's straight forward. So why is everyone so evasive? I wouldn't expect to see PDM publish Ron's work records, though, nor would I expect to see Shoemaker flashing around a PDM timecard. Employee records are company property. LE might've obtained them under a search warrant, but PDM wouldn't just hand one over to Ron or his attorney.

 

[krkrjx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chablis
I just wonder, other than pictures of Ron is a moment in time posing and preening for a camera with his kids, ala Casey, what makes anyone think hes this kind, gentle, patient father? I keep thinking, did I miss all the stories of Ron reading the kids bedtime stories every night and pictures of him volunteering at Haleighs class or something like that, a quick first glimpse of Rons arrest record shows you he is not a good guy. Just because he went to court and lied and got his kids does make a man! A good dad does not introduce multiple girls to his kids as their new mommy, Rons life was not healthy and he got his kids out of spite, not love, he really couldnt handle taking care of kids, and one died, I guess thats how sadly you know someone shouldn't be around kids, now hes hanging out with all the other tough guys in prison, he finally found his niche. Maybe he should have taken a page out of "Teresa" aka "mom" handbook and should have let someone else raise his kids, but it was more important for him to punish Crystal for not wanting to be with him, he used his children as weapons, ironic isn't it?

Ron was not some patient man that was going to be super chill with Misty out having sex with Greg Page, but its really important he makes everyone thing hes ok with her "affair"

Haleigh died as a result of that "affair" one way or another, but that is the direct cause of her death, I am willing to bet the bank on it!

BBM: Nor was Ron patient enough, IMO, that he would rush Haleigh to Welaka before school so she could wear a specific outfit she wanted. In the MH walk-through TN did with one of NG's staff shortly after Haleigh's disappearance, we saw inside Haleigh's closet. There were a lot of cute outfits there, and some or most still had price tags on them. Most of those outfits would without a doubt have appealed to a 5-year-old girl, especially since they were brand new!

Were the new clothes put there solely for the purpose of the walk-through, to suggest Haleigh was a happy little girl who wanted for nothing? Or had those outfits been in the closet and available to Haleigh that fateful Monday? In all the photos, Haleigh is dressed very nicely so I tend to think the clothes were in the closet. Certainly Ron could have easily enticed Haleigh with a brand new outfit from her closet that morning!

The trip to Welaka to retrieve a favorite outfit does not ring true to me. Ron could not afford to have Haleigh be late for school and he was no doubt in a not-so-great mood that morning due to Misty's antics of the previous few days. Nope, I cannot see Ron being patient enough to indulge Haleigh. IMO, Ron high-tailed it to Welaka to pick up Haleigh, not to get her a change of clothing.

But why would he need to lie about it?

 

[krkrjx]

I think Ron's termination was a CYA move on PDM's part. I don't consider it as evidence of their opinion that Ron is guilty in Haleigh's disappearance.

Hi Bessie...I have not assumed for a minute that PDM believes Ron is guilty in Haleigh's disappearance. I am, however, speculating (not assuming) that PDM may have evidence that Ron was not always at his workplace for his entire shift. Basically, what I had initially taken as fact--that Ron was at work from late afternoon 2/9 through early 2/10--is no longer a fact in my eyes, given all the skirting of the issue everyone has done.

 

[Chablis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chablis
I just wonder, other than pictures of Ron is a moment in time posing and preening for a camera with his kids, ala Casey, what makes anyone think hes this kind, gentle, patient father? I keep thinking, did I miss all the stories of Ron reading the kids bedtime stories every night and pictures of him volunteering at Haleighs class or something like that, a quick first glimpse of Rons arrest record shows you he is not a good guy. Just because he went to court and lied and got his kids does make a man! A good dad does not introduce multiple girls to his kids as their new mommy, Rons life was not healthy and he got his kids out of spite, not love, he really couldnt handle taking care of kids, and one died, I guess thats how sadly you know someone shouldn't be around kids, now hes hanging out with all the other tough guys in prison, he finally found his niche. Maybe he should have taken a page out of "Teresa" aka "mom" handbook and should have let someone else raise his kids, but it was more important for him to punish Crystal for not wanting to be with him, he used his children as weapons, ironic isn't it?

Ron was not some patient man that was going to be super chill with Misty out having sex with Greg Page, but its really important he makes everyone thing hes ok with her "affair"

Haleigh died as a result of that "affair" one way or another, but that is the direct cause of her death, I am willing to bet the bank on it!

BBM: Nor was Ron patient enough, IMO, that he would rush Haleigh to Welaka before school so she could wear a specific outfit she wanted. In the MH walk-through TN did with one of NG's staff shortly after Haleigh's disappearance, we saw inside Haleigh's closet. There were a lot of cute outfits there, and some or most still had price tags on them. Most of those outfits would without a doubt have appealed to a 5-year-old girl, especially since they were brand new!

Were the new clothes put there solely for the purpose of the walk-through, to suggest Haleigh was a happy little girl who wanted for nothing? Or had those outfits been in the closet and available to Haleigh that fateful Monday? In all the photos, Haleigh is dressed very nicely so I tend to think the clothes were in the closet. Certainly Ron could have easily enticed Haleigh with a brand new outfit from her closet that morning!

The trip to Welaka to retrieve a favorite outfit does not ring true to me. Ron could not afford to have Haleigh be late for school and he was no doubt in a not-so-great mood that morning due to Misty's antics of the previous few days. Nope, I cannot see Ron being patient enough to indulge Haleigh. IMO, Ron high-tailed it to Welaka to pick up Haleigh, not to get her a change of clothing.

But why would he need to lie about it?

Good post. I would assume those clothes were staged to make it look like Haleigh had a normal life and closet. I doubt she did but it was important to pretty up the room before the cameras walked through. I really have no doubt he had to go to Grannys to get clean clothes for Haleigh, the weekend before probably had to be hell for those kids since he had them that weekend, and he spent a lot of time talking to Misty when she wasn't "busy" with Greg Page, I hardly doubt he had time to do laundry, and he didn't have any soap. I seriously hope that those kids were not with him alone that weekend and were at Annettes or somewhere else, I really do, otherwise I shudder at what they heard and saw. I mean dealing with a messed up on drugs and alcohol Ron were bad enough as an adult dealing with him, imagine how scared the kids were?

 

[krkrjx]

Good post. I would assume those clothes were staged to make it look like Haleigh had a normal life and closet. I doubt she did but it was important to pretty up the room before the cameras walked through. I really have no doubt he had to go to Grannys to get clean clothes for Haleigh, the weekend before probably had to be hell for those kids since he had them that weekend, and he spent a lot of time talking to Misty when she wasn't "busy" with Greg Page, I hardly doubt he had time to do laundry, and he didn't have any soap. I seriously hope that those kids were not with him alone that weekend and were at Annettes or somewhere else, I really do, otherwise I shudder at what they heard and saw. I mean dealing with a messed up on drugs and alcohol Ron were bad enough as an adult dealing with him, imagine how scared the kids were?

BBM: A very good point and it is what I thought the first time I saw the walk-through on TV. The tags on the clothes are what made me question any of this because either the clothes were there and available that morning or they were placed in the closet just before the walk-through. To go even further--the clothes were probably purchased after Haleigh's disappearance, and the tags were left on so they could be returned for refunds once the film crew left.

I just do not get why everyone had to lie about even the smallest things--if Haleigh stayed overnight Sunday in Welaka and Ron had to rush there Monday morning to pick her up for school, so what? There would be nothing to question about that. Suspicion rises when lies are told about seemingly little things--and staging a scene by filling a child's closet after she is gone is just another lie.

Two years out and there are only two facts in this case: 1) Haleigh is gone, and 2) everyone close to the case has lied about something.

 

[Chablis]

BBM: A very good point and it is what I thought the first time I saw the walk-through on TV. The tags on the clothes are what made me question any of this because either the clothes were there and available that morning or they were placed in the closet just before the walk-through. To go even further--the clothes were probably purchased after Haleigh's disappearance, and the tags were left on so they could be returned for refunds once the film crew left.

I just do not get why everyone had to lie about even the smallest things--if Haleigh stayed overnight Sunday in Welaka and Ron had to rush there Monday morning to pick her up for school, so what? There would be nothing to question about that. Suspicion rises when lies are told about seemingly little things--and staging a scene by filling a child's closet after she is gone is just another lie.

Two years out and there are only two facts in this case: 1) Haleigh is gone, and 2) everyone close to the case has lied about something.

Probably because when Ron had his weekends with the kids, they really were not with him, probably with some other relative, but it was important at that time to make Ron look like a good dad who was taking care of his kids that manic weekend when he was upset about Misty.

 

[kamky]

BBM I agree. IMO, there was a reason he had to lie then. The lies started before HaLeigh even went to school that Monday. JMO, but i think the lies started on Sunday, with TN stating Ron and Misty were up all night "talking out their problems" If Misty was at the MH Sunday, why would there be a need for TN to call Misty and ask her to babysit the kids? Also, if they were "working on their problems" why would Misty respond with "If it is OK with Ronald"? So, IMO, i am really thinking that something happened to HaLeigh prior to that Monday night. That is when the lies start.

But i change my mind all the time about what i think happened. This one, however, i can't shake, i keep coming back to it. That is b/c it doesn't make any sense, and by the words of Judge Judy.... If it doesn't make sense then it is probably a lie.

The thing is that, once again, we have too little information. TN didn't say that Misty & Ron were together at the MH, talking about their problems". I thought Misty was at one of her brothers' houses and that she and Ron were talking periodically on the phone all night long. It doesn't sound like things were completely resolved if Misty said that TN would have to check with Ron to see if he was okay with her babysitting on Monday afternoon/night.

 

[lil momma]

The thing is that, once again, we have too little information. TN didn't say that Misty & Ron were together at the MH, talking about their problems". I thought Misty was at one of her brothers' houses and that she and Ron were talking periodically on the phone all night long. It doesn't sound like things were completely resolved if Misty said that TN would have to check with Ron to see if he was okay with her babysitting on Monday afternoon/night.

You know what, i think you are right, i am going to look for the link to be sure, and then will post it and edit my original post...lol.

I know that TN had stated that they were up all night working on their problems, i just assumed, and silly me for that, they were discussing their problems in person.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/02/03/exclusive-misty-croslin-balked-at-babysitting-haleigh/


above is the link all about them staying up all night and oversleeping the next day, which is why Ron was driving crazy and almost hit someone at the bus stop. Take it with a grain of salt

 

[lonetraveler]

I just wrote a post so similar to this on another thread. Our minds are sure on the same page. IMO, Ron was desperate for that alibi, & the plant, for whatever reason, couldn't give it to him. Ron had a lawyer, so there's no way, imo, that firing went unchallenged. It was his job, to make Ron look as good as possible. This was a terrible blow...but all things considered, it could've been worse, so it's MOO, that Ron's lawyer DID do something on his behalf, & what we heard was the result of negotiations. MOO.

I can fully understand Ron's attorney advising Ron to drop pursuing any legal action against PDM because PDM probably had evidence that Ron left the plant site more than once during his shift while employed at PDM.

 

[lonetraveler]

The thing is that, once again, we have too little information. TN didn't say that Misty & Ron were together at the MH, talking about their problems". I thought Misty was at one of her brothers' houses and that she and Ron were talking periodically on the phone all night long. It doesn't sound like things were completely resolved if Misty said that TN would have to check with Ron to see if he was okay with her babysitting on Monday afternoon/night.

Exactly! I have posted in the past that TN did not state that the two were actually together. And of course, this should mean that the "all night long phone call talking things over" should be easy for LE to confirm since they should have all the phone records by now...........

 

[lonetraveler]

Good post. I would assume those clothes were staged to make it look like Haleigh had a normal life and closet. I doubt she did but it was important to pretty up the room before the cameras walked through. I really have no doubt he had to go to Grannys to get clean clothes for Haleigh, the weekend before probably had to be hell for those kids since he had them that weekend, and he spent a lot of time talking to Misty when she wasn't "busy" with Greg Page, I hardly doubt he had time to do laundry, and he didn't have any soap. I seriously hope that those kids were not with him alone that weekend and were at Annettes or somewhere else, I really do, otherwise I shudder at what they heard and saw. I mean dealing with a messed up on drugs and alcohol Ron were bad enough as an adult dealing with him, imagine how scared the kids were?

Nay Nay did state that Misty was on the phone to Ron on and off during their time together. Ron supposedly told Misty to bring a condom with her. I'm thinking that Ron was a crying, screaming drama queen while Misty was partying with Nay Nay. He beat and abused Misty and threw her out, but how dare she actually party without him! I truly hope that the children were not with Ron while he was most likely drunk and stoned and heartbroken over Misty out partying. Very dangerous situation for children to be in.

 

[Whisperer]

Isn't everyone suspicious of the fact that ron and misty were indeed "apart" for at least three days...I say more like two weeks.

The reality they are showing us is that Misty returned to the love nest; Haleigh vanishes and ron loves misty even more.

Now, this particular scenario worries the heck out of me. RC was hugging her on camera; defending her on camera; giving her his mother's diamond ring and utlimately marrying her all within a month. Something is very wrong here, very wrong.

Any normal person would be questioning this behavior. Why did rc become an understanding, compassionate man concerning misty when she was the last one to see his child alive. Knowing rc's personality, does this really make any sense?

 

[Whisperer]

As far as the air conditioner maintenance man goes, RC (IMO) is not the type of individual to allow any strange person inside of his house..nope..no ron cummings! Based on this, I say rc either knew him very, very well or special arrangements were made. He may have told him, "You do not have my persmission to enter but can do whatever U do outside...or rc was present when the guy was there.

Another scenario would be rc made different arrangements with the guy by phone or in person to come another day.

 

[Whisperer]

sorry to quote myself, but I wanted to add a couple of things. It probably doesn't mean much, but Misty talked about how she always thought that Tommy would make something of himself & never do drugs. When HC testified for Tommy, he gave the same speech. Also, I can't remember any consecutive dates, but I wonder what kind of domino effect, Misty's deception on Ron caused. because I doubt he just shrugged it off. I bet he & his family went ballistic.

Yes, You r correct. ron never turns his cheek. ron's profile will show him extremely vengeful on anyone he perceives harms him.

They're are others in the family with similar characteristics...imo.

RC called LE when timmy called him a not so nice name over the phone, for goodness sakes. Also, recall how ron behaved w/Geraldo when he was told that he abused Crystal..oh my. He wanted to notify the authorities immediately ron does not deal w/perceived threat well at all...YET he handled his daughter going missing on misty's watch with patience and understanding....hmmmm.

 

[titanfan62702]

I know abandonment was given as the reason, but Ron's lawyer said that Ron was given an offer to go back on a Monday, (can't remember what Monday), but the Friday before that Monday, the offer was withdrawn. If that's what really happened...that's not abandonment! So, it looks like, as some others have posted, that Ron either abandoned his job that night, or they all 'settled' on the official reason. IDK...but, going back to the beginning of this case, sure brings up a lot of unanswered questions. In hindsight, it shows what a good lawyer, Shoemaker really is. That guy has done his job & then some. So many suspicious issues have been pushed into the background...& this case has become about...Ron the innocent, getting a 'sweet' deal, Tommy the druggie, getting what he deserved, & Misty the mastermind, getting the door slammed in her face. wooaah, somebody needs to put on the brakes. Them going to prison, isn't the end of this case...no matter who all would like it to be. MOO.

For some, it may have pushed suspicious issues into the background -- for me it put up some big red flags and I need a new supply.

OT Going in for breast cancer surgery Monday, but hope to be back later next week ready to discuss this case more. Doctor is putting me on a time-out from some of my usual activities.

 

[titanfan62702]

Ya know, I am pretty sure Rons family and supporters follow the boards and report back to the family. Now,a major point of contension here is Rons work hours. Its still being argued about. Now I ask, why when Ron was free, did he not address what time he was at work to the media to clear up those mean bloggers who cant let his work hours go? I mean dont you think he would have done that?

There is a problem with his work hours and it starts from the beginning when he told someone he worked 8 hours that night and came home to find his child missing.

I've heard so many different hours that Ron supposedly was at work, and remember every one of them was the absolute truth -- hard to do.