General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

I've been busting my hump trying to locate a quote by Shoemaker, but the only one I could find was the retracted clarified one. I can't get it to link, but it's in the Art Harris article, 'Misty Says Tommy took Haleigh', (September 26, 2010), so I'll quote a portion so I don't get it wrong. 'This theory sounds pretty crazy,' Shoemaker tells The Bald Truth, in response to Chelsea's blame game of puppetmaster behind his own daughter's demise. 'We have people saying he picked her up at the bus stop that day, and his grandmother dropped off laundry that night and saw the kids when he was at work. It just doesn't add up that he had anything to do with it.' So, Shoemaker is using 2 very sketchy claims as alibis for Ron. When you factor in that yes, people ARE saying Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop, (Ron, Misty, CC), but people are ALSO saying Misty picked her up, (witnesses), there's a problem. & why did Shoemaker bring up Ron at the bus stop? Why is it important to put him there...if there are witnesses who saw Haleigh later? AS &the AC man. The bus stop should be irrelevant, but Ron's attorney focused on it. It shouldn't matter who picked her up-just that she was there & alive at that time. I don't get it. MOO.

ok, I double checked the article & Shoemaker wasn't quoted as using the AC man as verification for Ron. Even if it's being speculated that Ron was somewhere other than work at that time, the AC man would still be a valid witness, in proving that while Ron was gone, Haleigh was alive & there. So, I wonder why Shoemaker didn't mention him. He's the only outside source, that I know of who can vouch for Ron, because the bus stop witnesses aren't telling his story. The AC man is of utmost importance & Shoemaker didn't mention him. MOO.

 

[Chablis]

The only problem I have is Junior. Now I realize that all we have is TN's comment that he says they were in the mh, but if he were saying something different, I think we'd hear it.

I have a grandson "days" older than Junior, so tend to compare & even in 2009 he would have told something. You would have had to listen and maybe interpret but it would have been useful, particular on significant events in his life. Not sure how long he would have remembered but initially he would have said who he was with -- or was he brainwashed from the beginning.

Why its always forgotten that these two kids were watching two different movies that night is beyond me. This is important. Saying Haleigh is in the other room watching a movie she wants explains to Junior where Haleigh is, and gives the panicking adults time to plot and cleanup with Junior being preoccupied. Whenever these two kids were separated is when whatever happened.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree, so they say, however in all reality GGMS never proved by anything she ever stated that Misty's could be accounted for that entire night other than the time she claims she went over there and Misty was there..

IIRC She first stated she was there a little after 7:00pm, she then changed it to around 7:30, then the time changed once again to being closer to 8:00..Last week on NG she once again claimed it was 7:30.
No way do any of those times provide and alibi for Misty as being home that entire night..It does serve as an attempt to prove Haleigh was alive after Ron C could be accounted for at work though..IMO. Misty was just too stooopid to understand what they were trying to achieve. For certain they weren't helping her out. JMHOOTS

I agree. I think Misty was broadsided by being swept into this "cluster". She did not have time to even think about what was going on, before she was coerced into making the 911 call. It is obvious that she is getting hit or more on the 911. She says oowwww and stop quite a few times. I believe that she recited the same ole same ole story about being asleep and Haleigh being abducted and LE polyed her and found her to be deceptive. LE named Misty the "Key" and focused solely on making her talk when maybe they should have expanded the investigation into the Cummings family. LE refused to consider anything that Misty would tell them unless she took them to Haleigh's body. Well, maybe she has no idea where Haleigh's body is and couldn't tell them if they tortured her. Maybe the focus should have been more on Ron, especially since there were witnesses who came forward to say that Ron was at their location at around 6:00 pm, drunk and wanting money and talking about robbing a drug dealer. Then we have the story that Tommy rehearsed with Misty and then Misty repeated and most likely enhanced it. Then we have her going right back to the "I was asleep" story. Where is the pressure on Ron to talk? Where is the interviews with GMA and Teresa?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Hummmmmmmmmmmm then I guess the deadlocked bolt on that back door didn't do the trick then. Or maybe the children being by themselves, decided to go out the "forgotten" front door and did not see the need to wear any shirts since they did not have anyone there to tell them that they had too. Ron made the statement many times that he personally made sure that he deadbolted the doors before he left for work, so which one to believe :waitasec: Were Ron's children securely locked inside the MH that evening as Ron stated or were the children on the front porch with no shirts on????????? It looks like a couple of Haleigh's FAMILY have made contradictory statements, doesn't it?

There has been nothing to change my mind yet regarding if Misty was there or not. I still believe that Misty was not at the MH that evening. She did not arrive until around 2:00 am the next morning. JMO

That's still my opinion too, LT. When she did arrive home at around 2am, whatever she found, or heard on the phone, upset her so badly she was screaming on the phone, according to neighbors. I truely don't believe she was there at all until then. JMO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I've been busting my hump trying to locate a quote by Shoemaker, but the only one I could find was the retracted clarified one. I can't get it to link, but it's in the Art Harris article, 'Misty Says Tommy took Haleigh', (September 26, 2010), so I'll quote a portion so I don't get it wrong. 'This theory sounds pretty crazy,' Shoemaker tells The Bald Truth, in response to Chelsea's blame game of puppetmaster behind his own daughter's demise. 'We have people saying he picked her up at the bus stop that day, and his grandmother dropped off laundry that night and saw the kids when he was at work. It just doesn't add up that he had anything to do with it.' So, Shoemaker is using 2 very sketchy claims as alibis for Ron. When you factor in that yes, people ARE saying Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop, (Ron, Misty, CC), but people are ALSO saying Misty picked her up, (witnesses), there's a problem. & why did Shoemaker bring up Ron at the bus stop? Why is it important to put him there...if there are witnesses who saw Haleigh later? AS &the AC man. The bus stop should be irrelevant, but Ron's attorney focused on it. It shouldn't matter who picked her up-just that she was there & alive at that time. I don't get it. MOO.

BBM
Exactly. Maybe we should be trying to figure out what was going on during that time (at the busstop) that would require an alibi for Ron. What else could he have been doing during that time that would be illigal? Something concerning a gun maybe? or drugs? or what...Something happened to Haleigh, in my opinion, between that time and when Ron went back to work, supposedly, after the evening news incident (according to witnesses). That has to be the time frame that something happened to Haleigh, IMO

 

[titanfan62702]

ok, I double checked the article & Shoemaker wasn't quoted as using the AC man as verification for Ron. Even if it's being speculated that Ron was somewhere other than work at that time, the AC man would still be a valid witness, in proving that while Ron was gone, Haleigh was alive & there. So, I wonder why Shoemaker didn't mention him. He's the only outside source, that I know of who can vouch for Ron, because the bus stop witnesses aren't telling his story. The AC man is of utmost importance & Shoemaker didn't mention him. MOO.

The AC guy could only say that he didn't see Ron when he was there. Ron could have come home after the AC guy left.

Not saying that's what happened, but just that it could have.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

ok, I double checked the article & Shoemaker wasn't quoted as using the AC man as verification for Ron. Even if it's being speculated that Ron was somewhere other than work at that time, the AC man would still be a valid witness, in proving that while Ron was gone, Haleigh was alive & there. So, I wonder why Shoemaker didn't mention him. He's the only outside source, that I know of who can vouch for Ron, because the bus stop witnesses aren't telling his story. The AC man is of utmost importance & Shoemaker didn't mention him. MOO.

Maybe the AC man's story to LE wasn't what we have been lead to believe it was. Maybe the AC man actually told LE that he did not see Haleigh there. Was it LE that said what the AC man had said, or did that come from someone else? Cummigs, Neves, sykes, Croslins?:waitasec:

 

[titanfan62702]

Why its always forgotten that these two kids were watching two different movies that night is beyond me. This is important. Saying Haleigh is in the other room watching a movie she wants explains to Junior where Haleigh is, and gives the panicking adults time to plot and cleanup with Junior being preoccupied. Whenever these two kids were separated is when whatever happened.

That still means they were in the mh that night and whatever happened must have started there.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Hummmmmmmmmmmm then I guess the deadlocked bolt on that back door didn't do the trick then. Or maybe the children being by themselves, decided to go out the "forgotten" front door and did not see the need to wear any shirts since they did not have anyone there to tell them that they had too. Ron made the statement many times that he personally made sure that he deadbolted the doors before he left for work, so which one to believe :waitasec: Were Ron's children securely locked inside the MH that evening as Ron stated or were the children on the front porch with no shirts on????????? It looks like a couple of Haleigh's FAMILY have made contradictory statements, doesn't it?

There has been nothing to change my mind yet regarding if Misty was there or not. I still believe that Misty was not at the MH that evening. She did not arrive until around 2:00 am the next morning. JMO

BBM

It looks that way to me. This is the video I was finishing up last night when I noticed what I brought up in my post above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJphpN3ebw

Those are Annette Sykes own words. IMO, two stories, about the same thing, are hard pressed to be any more contradictory than those.

 

[titanfan62702]

BBM

It looks that way to me. This is the video I was finishing up last night when I noticed what I brought up in my post above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJphpN3ebw

Those are Annette Sykes own words. IMO, two stories, about the same thing, are hard pressed to be any more contradictory than those.

Thanks so much. Just as I thought -- Ron is arrested and AS is pissed but not when her great-granddaughter went missing.

 

[dodie20]

Maybe the AC man's story to LE wasn't what we have been lead to believe it was. Maybe the AC man actually told LE that he did not see Haleigh there. Was it LE that said what the AC man had said, or did that come from someone else? Cummigs, Neves, sykes, Croslins?:waitasec:

yes. Shoemaker made a point to say 'people' were putting Ron at the bus stop, so why not make a point to say 'non family' members witnessed the kids after Ron left. I can see him not wanting to drag in innocent witnesses by name, but I can't see ignoring their significance. According to him, the people consist of Ron, Misty, CC & AS. unless I'm missing somebody. & the non family member witnesses at the bus stop are what? imagining things? got their days mixed up? Has he ever made a statement of why he doesn't believe them? Is there's something to back up Misty not picking Haleigh up? MOO

 

[JSV]

I remember reading earlier in the case that the A/C man is a relative of ron's .

 

[krkrjx]

I remember reading earlier in the case that the A/C man is a relative of ron's .

IIRC, it was said that the AC man worked at the same place that the husband of a relative of Ron's works or used to work. It's unknown if the AC man and Ron knew each other but in communities like theirs people do tend to know each other at least in passing.

 

[JSV]

IIRC, it was said that the AC man worked at the same place that the husband of a relative of Ron's works or used to work. It's unknown if the AC man and Ron knew each other but in communities like theirs people do tend to know each other at least in passing.

Thanks ... It's was a long time ago .Too much info. can't remember everything that was said .I just wish HaLeigh could be found .She didn't deserve what ever happened to her .

 

[Baznme]

The AC guy could only say that he didn't see Ron when he was there. Ron could have come home after the AC guy left.

Not saying that's what happened, but just that it could have.

Maybe RC was taking care of business. IYKWIM. He has professed to have worked 8 hours that night. Back up from 3am which is when he said his shift ended. That would make his shift begin at 7pm. Time to take care of business and drive like a cracker to work. The rest of the crew were left to clean up the mess before the 911 call. LE meeting an ex-employee (TN) with her sherrif's jacket on and an 8 x 10 of Haleigh at the door was nothing more than another member of the clean up crew and was just a buffer IMO to get LE to step back a little.

 

[lil momma]

ok, I double checked the article & Shoemaker wasn't quoted as using the AC man as verification for Ron. Even if it's being speculated that Ron was somewhere other than work at that time, the AC man would still be a valid witness, in proving that while Ron was gone, Haleigh was alive & there. So, I wonder why Shoemaker didn't mention him. He's the only outside source, that I know of who can vouch for Ron, because the bus stop witnesses aren't telling his story. The AC man is of utmost importance & Shoemaker didn't mention him. MOO.

Hi dodie!

oh the infamous A/C guy is such a mystery. I agree that the A/C guy could be a witness for Ron not being at the MH, but did the A/C guy REALLY know Ron? Did the A/C guy really know who HaLeigh was? Maybe the reason, IMO, that the A/C guy has stayed such a mystery is b/c he really wasn't a witness to anything. If Tommy was there with his children, at the time the A/C guy arrived, Misty is there with Jr and HaLeigh, and all the kids were outside playing, as we were lead to believe and the A/C guy was inside working on the unit, then he really isn't a witness to anything, b/c he was inside while they were outside. Probably why LE questioned him and he hasn't been brought into it, b/c he has nothing. He can probably tell LE that there were like 4 or 5 kids outside playing, but didn't pay much attention to them, b/c he was there to do a job. I really don't think the A/C guy is of any importantance, and could be the reason Shoey didn't use him. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Hi dodie!

oh the infamous A/C guy is such a mystery. I agree that the A/C guy could be a witness for Ron not being at the MH, but did the A/C guy REALLY know Ron? Did the A/C guy really know who HaLeigh was? Maybe the reason, IMO, that the A/C guy has stayed such a mystery is b/c he really wasn't a witness to anything. If Tommy was there with his children, at the time the A/C guy arrived, Misty is there with Jr and HaLeigh, and all the kids were outside playing, as we were lead to believe and the A/C guy was inside working on the unit, then he really isn't a witness to anything, b/c he was inside while they were outside. Probably why LE questioned him and he hasn't been brought into it, b/c he has nothing. He can probably tell LE that there were like 4 or 5 kids outside playing, but didn't pay much attention to them, b/c he was there to do a job. I really don't think the A/C guy is of any importantance, and could be the reason Shoey didn't use him. JMO

This thought has been tucked away only to be pecked at occasionally. Lindsey has stated that Tommy cooked dinner and that Misty ate dinner with them. This had to be just prior to Lindsey leaving for school. Maybe the two of them (Tommy and Misty) were in his yard smoking a joint and watching his children play. The AC man could have arrived at Ron's MH and when he found no one there he called Misty's phone. Misty clearly stated that she handed the phone to Ron and said that the AC man was on the phone. Could Ron have stopped by Tommy's that evening to find Misty and just happened to be there? Did Ron convince Misty to go over to the MH so that the AC man could do his work or did Ron tell the AC man that it was not convenient for him to service the AC unit that day. Or did the AC man happen to go by Tommy's while he was in the neighborhood and saw Misty, Tommy and the children outside at his residence? So, he asked if he could service Ron's MH that evening? Except for Misty, no one else puts Tommy and his children at the MH at the 5:00 pm timeline. I've also had my suspicions that the AC man may have been there for other reasons.:waitasec:

 

[tiki21]

out of curiousity... for those who believe misty didn't show up at the motor home til 2am.. what is your theory on why she went there at that time? and do u think ron & misty were still on the outs at this time?


TIA

 

[lil momma]

This thought has been tucked away only to be pecked at occasionally. Lindsey has stated that Tommy cooked dinner and that Misty ate dinner with them. This had to be just prior to Lindsey leaving for school. Maybe the two of them (Tommy and Misty) were in his yard smoking a joint and watching his children play. The AC man could have arrived at Ron's MH and when he found no one there he called Misty's phone. Misty clearly stated that she handed the phone to Ron and said that the AC man was on the phone. Could Ron have stopped by Tommy's that evening to find Misty and just happened to be there? Did Ron convince Misty to go over to the MH so that the AC man could do his work or did Ron tell the AC man that it was not convenient for him to service the AC unit that day. Or did the AC man happen to go by Tommy's while he was in the neighborhood and saw Misty, Tommy and the children outside at his residence? So, he asked if he could service Ron's MH that evening? Except for Misty, no one else puts Tommy and his children at the MH at the 5:00 pm timeline. I've also had my suspicions that the AC man may have been there for other reasons.:waitasec:

You make some good points Lone. It actually sounds way more likely that they were all at Tommy's house and not the MH. and to take it a little futher, it actually makes a heck of a lot of sense that the A/C guy arrived an noone was there, and called Misty, and i do recall Misty saying she handed the phone to Ron. (it was a little slip, IMO) Could it be possible that the A/C guy was there to "deal" with Ron/Misty. (Ron being the supplier and Misty being the runner- hence why the A/C guy called Misty and NOT Ron directly) That being the reason why Ron was at Tommy's.

This would actually go along with Ron NOT picking HaLeigh up that day at the bus stop, but Misty picking her up and driving away from the MH.

I forgot, but when Ron moved to the "blue MH" was he already with Misty?
(you will have to forgive me, i am all over the place today...lol)

 

[krkrjx]

Misty handing the phone to Ron to speak with the AC man is a possibility, but I think we need to be careful that we aren't molding events to our liking. What probably happened is the AC man arrived and Misty called Ron, then handed the phone to the AC man to speak with Ron. She did say she handed the phone to RON but she could have just made an error in speaking. it happens, we've all done that--used the wrong name.

The AC man was visited by LE the morning of Feb. 10, at around 4:30-5:00, and LE doesn't visit people at their home at that hour unless it's something important. IIRC, LE had him cleared within half an hour or so. It is assumed by many that this AC man reported having seen Haleigh at the MH, but we do not know for sure if he in fact reported that to LE. Seems to me, LE could have said right away that the child was seen at whatever time by this AC man...yet they did not state that, as far as I can recall. What LE has stated is that they do not know what time whatever happened to Haleigh happened.

I am wondering now if the AC man did not see Haleigh at all, maybe she was there and maybe not, but at any rate I am thinking he did not report having seen her...and the fact that no one could say they saw Haleigh after she got off the school bus is what led AS to her first and subsequent statement of having visited the home at 7:00/7:30/8:00/7:30 the evening of Feb. 9 and seeing Haleigh on the porch eating ravioli/green beans.

Could it be that AS came forward a week+ after the fact to make her statement of having visited that evening, not as much to say Misty was there but more to say Haleigh was there because no one else reported having seen Haleigh...not even the AC man???