General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[lonetraveler]

Misty handing the phone to Ron to speak with the AC man is a possibility, but I think we need to be careful that we aren't molding events to our liking. What probably happened is the AC man arrived and Misty called Ron, then handed the phone to the AC man to speak with Ron. She did say she handed the phone to RON but she could have just made an error in speaking. it happens, we've all done that--used the wrong name.

The AC man was visited by LE the morning of Feb. 10, at around 4:30-5:00, and LE doesn't visit people at their home at that hour unless it's something important. IIRC, LE had him cleared within half an hour or so. It is assumed by many that this AC man reported having seen Haleigh at the MH, but we do not know for sure if he in fact reported that to LE. Seems to me, LE could have said right away that the child was seen at whatever time by this AC man...yet they did not state that, as far as I can recall. What LE has stated is that they do not know what time whatever happened to Haleigh happened.

I am wondering now if the AC man did not see Haleigh at all, maybe she was there and maybe not, but at any rate I am thinking he did not report having seen her...and the fact that no one could say they saw Haleigh after she got off the school bus is what led AS to her first and subsequent statement of having visited the home at 7:00/7:30/8:00/7:30 the evening of Feb. 9 and seeing Haleigh on the porch eating ravioli/green beans.

Could it be that AS came forward a week+ after the fact to make her statement of having visited that evening, not as much to say Misty was there but more to say Haleigh was there because no one else reported having seen Haleigh...not even the AC man???

As far as I know the AC man's statement has not been published at all. There has only been speculation on what he may have said. LE apparently were quick to contact him to get his statement and went no further with any additional interviews, as far as we know. I assumed originally that Misty had misspoke when she said that she "handed" the phone to Ron but right now I'm trying to look at prior statements for another look since much has happened since early 2009 and maybe something will stick out, KWIM? And you are so right, LE did state that they do not know when the crime took place. This case investigation is moving like slow molasses.:banghead:

 

[lil momma]

Misty handing the phone to Ron to speak with the AC man is a possibility, but I think we need to be careful that we aren't molding events to our liking. What probably happened is the AC man arrived and Misty called Ron, then handed the phone to the AC man to speak with Ron. She did say she handed the phone to RON but she could have just made an error in speaking. it happens, we've all done that--used the wrong name.

The AC man was visited by LE the morning of Feb. 10, at around 4:30-5:00, and LE doesn't visit people at their home at that hour unless it's something important. IIRC, LE had him cleared within half an hour or so. It is assumed by many that this AC man reported having seen Haleigh at the MH, but we do not know for sure if he in fact reported that to LE. Seems to me, LE could have said right away that the child was seen at whatever time by this AC man...yet they did not state that, as far as I can recall. What LE has stated is that they do not know what time whatever happened to Haleigh happened.

I am wondering now if the AC man did not see Haleigh at all, maybe she was there and maybe not, but at any rate I am thinking he did not report having seen her...and the fact that no one could say they saw Haleigh after she got off the school bus is what led AS to her first and subsequent statement of having visited the home at 7:00/7:30/8:00/7:30 the evening of Feb. 9 and seeing Haleigh on the porch eating ravioli/green beans.

Could it be that AS came forward a week+ after the fact to make her statement of having visited that evening, not as much to say Misty was there but more to say Haleigh was there because no one else reported having seen Haleigh...not even the AC man???

That is a HUGE possibility! I also agree, that LE has kept the A/C guys statements and his idenity mum. We know nothing about what he said, all we know about him is that he was at one time a partner to someone in Rons family and that the company is Artic Air. (revealed in the hypnosis video)

 

[Emeralgem]

out of curiousity... for those who believe misty didn't show up at the motor home til 2am.. what is your theory on why she went there at that time? and do u think ron & misty were still on the outs at this time?


TIA

My theory is she went there to play her part in the staged scene . I don't believe the incident occured at Green Lane or Haleigh died at the Green Lane residence. I believe Misty was on Magnolia Street at her parent's residence for the most part that night. I do believe Misty and Ron were both present and on the scene when the incident concerning Haleigh's demise happened. JMHO

ETA.. I believe she was taken to the MH around 2:00 am in order for her to make the phone call to 911.. I believe she was told to do this before Ronald arrived home but she didn't have the courage to do so. She was heard crying on the phone to someone while she was walking around outside.

 

[tiki21]

My theory is she went there to play her part in the staged scene . I don't believe the incident occured at Green Lane or Haleigh died at the Green Lane residence. I believe Misty was on Magnolia Street at her parent's residence for the most part that night. I do believe Misty and Ron were both present and on the scene when the incident concerning Haleigh's demise happened. JMHO

thanks.. that makes sense then. i was thinking that you meant she showed up at 2am to help with the cover up. if she was there when haleigh met her demise, that makes sense she showed up at 2am.

 

[Chablis]

Maybe the AC guy is connected to the family? No wonder the cops say, we dont know when or where this happened, everyone who was around there is probably family or friends of Ronald, and there word can not be taken as credible since they have motive to protect someone.

 

[Emeralgem]

Maybe the AC guy is connected to the family? No wonder the cops say, we dont know when or where this happened, everyone who was around there is probably family or friends of Ronald, and there word can not be taken as credible since they have motive to protect someone.

Personally, I have a problem with John Merchant claiming the AC guy was cleared by 5:00 am on the 10th of March..
And I especially do IF the AC guy is in any way connected to the Cummings/Neves/ Sykes Clan.JMHOOTS

 

[Nonni Brenda]

out of curiousity... for those who believe misty didn't show up at the motor home til 2am.. what is your theory on why she went there at that time? and do u think ron & misty were still on the outs at this time?


TIA

Hi tiki.I like Emeralgem's theory above. I also have a somewhat variation. My opinion (for now) is that Ron and Misty were still not together. Ron left the kids alone and went to work. He may have given them something to make them sleep. I suspect he called TN to come stay with them. TN either went there and found Haleigh in trouble or dead. She called GGMS to go with a medical person/nurse to go check on them. She also geared into coverup mode and called Ron at work. She and Ron tried to find Misty to go to the mh to "babysit", not telling her that Haleigh was dead. When Misty didn't go, or they couldn't find Misty, Ron called Tommy to go. All of this was to set up the Croslins. Of course this is only my opinion and speculation. Another slight different senario would be that TN was babysitting, and she gave the kids something to make them sleep. Still only my opinion, at this time.
This could explain why GGMS said she was angry that Misty had left Ron with no one to watch the kids. It could explain why so many calls fromRC to Mc. It could explain why TN was nearby when the police were called. I do feel that RC, TN, and GGMS know the whole story, and that they were trying to set up the Croslins. MOO.
Another opinion of mine :crazy::crazy::crazy:is that Haleigh died somewhere else other that Ron's mh, maybe at Hank's and Lisa's home, since we believe they were both at the hospital. I haven't worked all that out yet though. All just speculation.
eta: I believe Misty didn't show up until 2am because Ron could just not get her to go there. That's the reason for all the calls. I believe that when she did get there, that may be when she found out Haliegh was gone, and that's is why all the screaming on the phone in the yard. I think Ron told her to call LE and report Haleigh missing. Then Ron got home and she still hadn't called LE, Ron was angry. why didn't he call LE himself? It was important to him that she be the one to make the report, and do so before he got home. that would distance him from the act, and make it easier for him to say "I was at werk." MOO

So now I have given 3 theories. LOL

 

[JSV]

Hi tiki.I like Emeralgem's theory above. I also have a somewhat variation. My opinion (for now) is that Ron and Misty were still not together. Ron left the kids alone and went to work. He may have given them something to make them sleep. I suspect he called TN to come stay with them. TN either went there and found Haleigh in trouble or dead. She called GGMS to go with a medical person/nurse to go check on them. She also geared into coverup mode and called Ron at work. She and Ron tried to find Misty to go to the mh to "babysit", not telling her that Haleigh was dead. When Misty didn't go, or they couldn't find Misty, Ron called Tommy to go. All of this was to set up the Croslins. Of course this is only my opinion and speculation. Another slight different senario would be that TN was babysitting, and she gave the kids something to make them sleep. Still only my opinion, at this time.
This could explain why GGMS said she was angry that Misty had left Ron with no one to watch the kids. It could explain why so many calls fromRC to Mc. It could explain why TN was nearby when the police were called. I do feel that RC, TN, and GGMS know the whole story, and that they were trying to set up the Croslins. MOO.
Another opinion of mine :crazy::crazy::crazy:is that Haleigh died somewhere else other that Ron's mh, maybe at Hank's and Lisa's home, since we believe they were both at the hospital. I haven't worked all that out yet though. All just speculation.
eta: I believe Misty didn't show up until 2am because Ron could just not get her to go there. That's the reason for all the calls. I believe that when she did get there, that may be when she found out Haliegh was gone, and that's is why all the screaming on the phone in the yard. I think Ron told her to call LE and report Haleigh missing. Then Ron got home and she still hadn't called LE, Ron was angry. why didn't he call LE himself? It was important to him that she be the one to make the report, and do so before he got home. that would distance him from the act, and make it easier for him to say "I was at werk." MOO

So now I have given 3 theories. LOL

Seems like I remember Misty saying she ask ron that night after he drove up if he had HaLeigh .I don't know if I am remembering right or not .

 

[titanfan62702]

Seems like I remember Misty saying she ask ron that night after he drove up if he had HaLeigh .I don't know if I am remembering right or not .

I've heard that too but then again did she really say that she asked, and how much of what Misty has said do you believe

Same for TC, TN, AS --- who do you believe?

 

[watchinginky]

This thought has been tucked away only to be pecked at occasionally. Lindsey has stated that Tommy cooked dinner and that Misty ate dinner with them. This had to be just prior to Lindsey leaving for school. Maybe the two of them (Tommy and Misty) were in his yard smoking a joint and watching his children play. The AC man could have arrived at Ron's MH and when he found no one there he called Misty's phone. Misty clearly stated that she handed the phone to Ron and said that the AC man was on the phone. Could Ron have stopped by Tommy's that evening to find Misty and just happened to be there? Did Ron convince Misty to go over to the MH so that the AC man could do his work or did Ron tell the AC man that it was not convenient for him to service the AC unit that day. Or did the AC man happen to go by Tommy's while he was in the neighborhood and saw Misty, Tommy and the children outside at his residence? So, he asked if he could service Ron's MH that evening? Except for Misty, no one else puts Tommy and his children at the MH at the 5:00 pm timeline. I've also had my suspicions that the AC man may have been there for other reasons.:waitasec:

BBM

This brings up some another interesting point.

Is the bolded above where Misty really was? If Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, why isn't it mentioned that Haleigh and Jr ate there too? Where were they at this time? Why does Misty say she cooked dinner at the MH for Haleigh and Jr.? If they were with her, one would assume they would eat dinner when she did at Tommy's (if this is where she really was). GGMS also tells us the kids were eating on the porch of the MH. Looks like another contradiction IMO. :waitasec:

 

[tiki21]

Hi tiki.I like Emeralgem's theory above. I also have a somewhat variation. My opinion (for now) is that Ron and Misty were still not together. Ron left the kids alone and went to work. He may have given them something to make them sleep. I suspect he called TN to come stay with them. TN either went there and found Haleigh in trouble or dead. She called GGMS to go with a medical person/nurse to go check on them. She also geared into coverup mode and called Ron at work. She and Ron tried to find Misty to go to the mh to "babysit", not telling her that Haleigh was dead. When Misty didn't go, or they couldn't find Misty, Ron called Tommy to go. All of this was to set up the Croslins. Of course this is only my opinion and speculation. Another slight different senario would be that TN was babysitting, and she gave the kids something to make them sleep. Still only my opinion, at this time.
This could explain why GGMS said she was angry that Misty had left Ron with no one to watch the kids. It could explain why so many calls fromRC to Mc. It could explain why TN was nearby when the police were called. I do feel that RC, TN, and GGMS know the whole story, and that they were trying to set up the Croslins. MOO.
Another opinion of mine :crazy::crazy::crazy:is that Haleigh died somewhere else other that Ron's mh, maybe at Hank's and Lisa's home, since we believe they were both at the hospital. I haven't worked all that out yet though. All just speculation.
eta: I believe Misty didn't show up until 2am because Ron could just not get her to go there. That's the reason for all the calls. I believe that when she did get there, that may be when she found out Haliegh was gone, and that's is why all the screaming on the phone in the yard. I think Ron told her to call LE and report Haleigh missing. Then Ron got home and she still hadn't called LE, Ron was angry. why didn't he call LE himself? It was important to him that she be the one to make the report, and do so before he got home. that would distance him from the act, and make it easier for him to say "I was at werk." MOO

So now I have given 3 theories. LOL

thanks for responding. i will have to think about all of this. i never really considered that misty wouldn't have been at the MH til 2am

if ron called to send tommy to the mh, do u think he walked in and found Haleigh and called misty to come?

 

[lil momma]

I've heard that too but then again did she really say that she asked, and how much of what Misty has said do you believe

Same for TC, TN, AS --- who do you believe?

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE have LIED... it is hard to believe any of them. It is certainly hard to pick and choose what to believe, but eventually, those lies will contain clues as to what really happened, when that will be, only god knows. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

My theory is she went there to play her part in the staged scene . I don't believe the incident occured at Green Lane or Haleigh died at the Green Lane residence. I believe Misty was on Magnolia Street at her parent's residence for the most part that night. I do believe Misty and Ron were both present and on the scene when the incident concerning Haleigh's demise happened. JMHO

ETA.. I believe she was taken to the MH around 2:00 am in order for her to make the phone call to 911.. I believe she was told to do this before Ronald arrived home but she didn't have the courage to do so. She was heard crying on the phone to someone while she was walking around outside.

Yep, I think that Tommy was called by Ron to come over, was dragged into the cleanup and instructed to do what he had to do to get Misty over to that MH. Misty probably refused to answer the phone until she saw that it was Tommy (or it could have been Timmy too, IMO) and she was finally coaxed into going over to the MH. If she was at Tommy's, no problem she just walked over but if she was at her parent's home someone had to go over and pick her up.

 

[JSV]

I've heard that too but then again did she really say that she asked, and how much of what Misty has said do you believe

Same for TC, TN, AS --- who do you believe?

I don't believe any of them .

 

[titanfan62702]

I don't believe any of them .

Yikes. I forgot to include RC.

 

[lil momma]

Yep, I think that Tommy was called by Ron to come over, was dragged into the cleanup and instructed to do what he had to do to get Misty over to that MH. Misty probably refused to answer the phone until she saw that it was Tommy (or it could have been Timmy too, IMO) and she was finally coaxed into going over to the MH. If she was at Tommy's, no problem she just walked over but if she was at her parent's home someone had to go over and pick her up.

hummmmm...the blue van??????

 

[lonetraveler]

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE have LIED... it is hard to believe any of them. It is certainly hard to pick and choose what to believe, but eventually, those lies will contain clues as to what really happened, when that will be, only god knows. JMO

LOL, you are so right! You have to put on hip boots to wade through all these lies and try to snag a little bit of truth! :great:

 

[lonetraveler]

hummmmm...the blue van??????

Yep and either Chelsea, Timmy or Joe had to have driven it over to pick up Misty at her parent's house or there is the slim chance that Tommy waited until Lindsey came home and drove his red pickup? It seems that there are multiple choices for every dang question.:maddening:

ETA: I just can not imagine Timmy and Chelsea sending Joe over with the van if they received a panic call from either Tommy or Misty.

 

[krkrjx]

This thought has been tucked away only to be pecked at occasionally. Lindsey has stated that Tommy cooked dinner and that Misty ate dinner with them. This had to be just prior to Lindsey leaving for school. Maybe the two of them (Tommy and Misty) were in his yard smoking a joint and watching his children play. The AC man could have arrived at Ron's MH and when he found no one there he called Misty's phone. Misty clearly stated that she handed the phone to Ron and said that the AC man was on the phone. Could Ron have stopped by Tommy's that evening to find Misty and just happened to be there? Did Ron convince Misty to go over to the MH so that the AC man could do his work or did Ron tell the AC man that it was not convenient for him to service the AC unit that day. Or did the AC man happen to go by Tommy's while he was in the neighborhood and saw Misty, Tommy and the children outside at his residence? So, he asked if he could service Ron's MH that evening? Except for Misty, no one else puts Tommy and his children at the MH at the 5:00 pm timeline. I've also had my suspicions that the AC man may have been there for other reasons.:waitasec:

BBM: I do not recall hearing Lindsy say Misty ate dinner with them but I do recall on one of the jail visit tapes Lindsy and Tommy talking about how he never went out that night. He stated that, and Lindsy said she believed him because when she got home from her class that night Tommy had the house all cleaned up and a nice dinner on the table. They didn't say what he cooked but made it sound like it was more than him just opening up a can. This would mean Tommy and Lindsy ate dinner at their home after Lindsy's class...which would have been 10:15 or 10:30 PM. It's possible I suppose, but does anyone believe they really ate dinner that late?

THere was another conversation between Tommy and Lindsy about him not going out that night, where SHE tells HIM that she told LE he had not gone out, that he babysat his kids in her absence that night, and she went on to say, "I told them you never left the house, not even to walk the dog." (That's paraphrased but I think it's pretty close to Lindsy's exact words.) To me, that sounded like Lindsy had really told LE that, but that it might not have been true, which was why she mentioned it to Tommy during their jail visit--basically a heads up to him about what she had told LE. I dont' recall for sure if the two conversations were on the same tape but I think they were. It might even be the same visit where L told T she threw his and Timmy's boots out.

There's just way too much CYA going on with all of them...the Croslins as well as the Cummings/Sykes clan. Why do all these people have to get their stories together? It's hard to believe so many people know stuff about this case and none have slipped up enough for anyone to be charged, but they have all lied and have all coached each other either on what to say or on what they were saying to LE. Why?!!

 

[Emeralgem]

Yep and either Chelsea, Timmy or Joe had to have driven it over to pick up Misty at her parent's house or there is the slim chance that Tommy waited until Lindsey came home and drove his red pickup? It seems that there are multiple choices for every dang question.:maddening:

ETA: I just can not imagine Timmy and Chelsea sending Joe over with the van if they received a panic call from either Tommy or Misty.

If I am not mistaken Jo has stated Chelsey and Timmy were the ones who left in the van when they received the call. He claims he watched their children.But who knows?

I maintain my stance the incident occurred at Misty's parent's residence or in the immediate area..And it happened before Ron C ever went in to work that afternoon/early evening. He left Misty high and dry to handle the whole situation. She really didn't want to but felt she had no other choice considering I suspect he managed to convince her she would be the one charged with whatever had happened to Haleigh...Especially IF the incident occcurred at her parent's residence...And I still believe he was playing BILLY BAD AZZ with a gun like he has been known to do and shot her..Granted, I do not believe it was intentional, but it happened just the same.
IMO. Yes the whole damn motley crew has lied to police, media and to us. God only knows the lies they have told to one another in order to pull this off like they have... JMHO..