General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[nomoresorrow]

Yesssssssss it goes to the process server who then takes it to crystal she must sign for it they dont just send it in the mail....

she gets served!

there is enuff blame to go around here she is no saint in my book.
Haleigh was with ron from the time she was 2. for 3 years she couldnt do anything????????
Sorry im not buying it.

Maybe now that she has Jr. she can finally do the right thing.

I just spoke with my friend, who happens to be a paralegal here in the State of Maine, and she lived/worked in Florida (Sarasota area) prior to relocating to Maine. She told me that child custody notices CAN AND ARE sent via U.S. postal mail, while child support notices must be delivered via a process server - perhaps this is where the confusion lies...

AMOO~

 

[Concerned Papa]

Yesssssssss it goes to the process server who then takes it to crystal she must sign for it they dont just send it in the mail....

she gets served!

there is enuff blame to go around here she is no saint in my book.
Haleigh was with ron from the time she was 2. for 3 years she couldnt do anything????????
Sorry im not buying it.

Maybe now that she has Jr. she can finally do the right thing.

Apparently the Magistrate wasn’t aware of your interpretation of judicial procedure.

From page 2 of the REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE GENERAL MAGISTRATE recorded at the Putnam County Clerk of Court on December 5, 2005 and posted in this thread at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6312810&postcount=1785:

6. Both parties were mailed the Order of Referral To General Magistrate, (R. 16), and the Notice of the December 1,2005 hearing.

From the ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR REHEARING recorded at the Putnam County Clerk of Court on 12/13/2005:

the respondent shortly thereafter filed an Emergency Motion containing her mailing address. (R. 13). Notice of the December 1, 2005 hearing was sent to a different address. (R. 17). It is therefore proper to grant respondent's motion to rehear this matter.

The sole reason cited by the Magistrate for granting a rehearing was the notice of the first hearing on December 1, 2005 being MAILED to the wrong address, an address which was furnished to the court by Ronald Cummings as shown on various documents posted last night.

 

[krkrjx]

I had to employ a process server once and to do that I had to take the document to be served to the process server, fill out a form giving name and last known address of the person to be served, and pay the process server. This isn't a free service where one can just mail their document to the process server and expect it to be served on the respondent for free.

Later on another document had to be served on that respondent by the court. That document was hand-delivered by a sheriff's deputy but even then it was not a free service.

ETA: Sorry, phone rang before I finished what I wanted to say.

Ron stated in his petition that he MAILED documents to Crystal and gives the address he used. But that was not Cyrstal's address, and the law requires last known address be used in order to claim proper mailing of a document. Even if Ron employed a process server (and I do not believe he did) documents could not be mailed to Crystal at any address other than her last known address.

 

[4Jacy]

Great post Papa!

When did he have time for the children?

In my opinion RC never took those children to Mexico and Texas with him. Does he really seem like the type that would do that; care for them, change diapers, feed them and read them stories before bedtime?

I believe TN or AS were taking care of the children and RC was on some type of nefarious mission.

 

[Flossie JMO]

How does one explain crystal's former attorney saying she was served (reference bar complaint topic here)? Iirc Crystal also responded to the document, which means she had the document in order to respond. Back to motive, who would have a motive? I don't believe Crystal or Ronald would have a motive to harm HaLeigh, or want her to vanish. Who would? That's the big question

 

[Concerned Papa]

How does one explain crystal's former attorney saying she was served (reference bar complaint topic here)? Iirc Crystal also responded to the document, which means she had the document in order to respond. Back to motive, who would have a motive? I don't believe Crystal or Ronald would have a motive to harm HaLeigh, or want her to vanish. Who would? That's the big question

Flossie, possibly they did, but I don't remember the bar docs making any reference to whether or not Crystal received a notice of the hearing date almost 4 years earlier.

Why would KP include something that happened years before she even met Crystal in her own defense against the bar complaint?

All I know is what the court documents say. They are posted here. The judge said the notification was mailed, not served, to the wrong address.

That was the only reason the Magistrate mentioned in granting a re hearing.

As for Crystal's pro se response, if you notice it is dated 12/6/2005 which is five days AFTER the hearing and ONE DAY after the Magistrate's ruling was recorded and made public record.

As my post stated, I don't know how Crystal found out about the ruling. It has been suggested that possibly Ronald told her about it, but I don't know.

All I know is what the documents say. I'm by this somewhat like I've noticed you saying in your posts that you don't believe anything unless it comes from LE. These court stamped, recorded documents are about as valid of information as we can get.

 

[Emeralgem]

How does one explain crystal's former attorney saying she was served (reference bar complaint topic here)? Iirc Crystal also responded to the document, which means she had the document in order to respond. Back to motive, who would have a motive? I don't believe Crystal or Ronald would have a motive to harm HaLeigh, or want her to vanish. Who would? That's the big question

IMO....There is no motive involved concerning Haleigh's death.. I suspect Haleigh is deceased due to her father's out of control temper, and his pathetic need to play Billy Bad Azz with guns while threatening and intimidating others..JMHO..

 

[dodie20]

IMO.There is no motive involved concerning Haleigh's death.. I suspect Haleigh is deceased due to her father's out of control temper and his pathetic need to play Billy Bad Azz with guns..JMHO..

exactly...sometimes there is no motive to hurt or kill someone, just reasons. Or often times, negligence leads to death and then the motive to cover up the negligence factors in. MOO.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I was going over some old old stuff, and ran across this jailhouse video between Lindsay and Tommy. I had never seen this before. I don't know if it changes my theory, but it leads me to believe that Lindsay knows a lot.

She asked him what he said ,I think on the LDT, then she told him that was his chance to tell the truth, and asked why he didn't. She was so angry at Tommy. She said something about Tommy and Misty, and that he could go be with his whole incestuous family. I think this was just b4 she filed for divorce. The video in about 30 min. long, but it really gave me some insight into their relationship. I'm so glad Lindsay got out. She is probably the only Croslin with some smarts. JMO

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http://audio.thesky973.com/m/video/3...m?pageid=28469

 

[Flossie JMO]

Flossie, possibly they did, but I don't remember the bar docs making any reference to whether or not Crystal received a notice of the hearing date almost 4 years earlier.

Why would KP include something that happened years before she even met Crystal in her own defense against the bar complaint?

All I know is what the court documents say. They are posted here. The judge said the notification was mailed, not served, to the wrong address.

That was the only reason the Magistrate mentioned in granting a re hearing.

As for Crystal's pro se response, if you notice it is dated 12/6/2005 which is five days AFTER the hearing and ONE DAY after the Magistrate's ruling was recorded and made public record.

As my post stated, I don't know how Crystal found out about the ruling. It has been suggested that possibly Ronald told her about it, but I don't know.

All I know is what the documents say. I'm by this somewhat like I've noticed you saying in your posts that you don't believe anything unless it comes from LE. These court stamped, recorded documents are about as valid of information as we can get.

Hi there, thanks for your post. I'll find the part of the Bar documents for you. You're right I prefer to hear things from LE. I don't know why KP brought it up, I think really it was to hurt Crystal. JMO. There was a lot of info in there that none of us needed to know imo. As far as the court doc, I think at the time he believed Crystal was unaware of the hearing. JMO.

 

[krkrjx]

locked up for 15 yrs... maybe...

Drug Offenders, Non-Violent Criminals Could Get Less Prison Time with Proposed Bill that Loosens Mandatory Minimums

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Should drug offenders and non-violent criminals spend less time in prison? Some lawmakers think so.

Two bills that would change the mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines have been making the rounds in Tallahassee.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...Violent-Criminals-Could-Get-Less-Prison-Time-

I did a little research into the retroactive aspect of this and it appears as though Florida Constitution says repeal or change of an existing law cannot be retroactive. As I understand it, even if the minimum sentencing laws are totally abolished in Florida, it would not affect a sentence already imposed. There have been instances of a crime not covered by statute of limitations being solved and tried 20 or 30 years later, and the perp if convicted must be sentenced according to the laws that were in affect at the time the crime was committed.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Yesssssssss it goes to the process server who then takes it to crystal she must sign for it they dont just send it in the mail....

she gets served!

there is enuff blame to go around here she is no saint in my book.
Haleigh was with ron from the time she was 2. for 3 years she couldnt do anything????????
Sorry im not buying it.

Maybe now that she has Jr. she can finally do the right thing.

BBM

The following is the court record of a long, lengthy battle spanning ALMOST FOUR YEARS where TWO people were fighting over the custody of two children.

At what point does it appear that Crystal “didn’t do enough” or "didn't do anything????????"?

09/16/2005 001.PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF
09/16/2005 002.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE
09/16/2005 003.UNIFORM CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION/ENFORCEMENT AFFID.
09/16/2005 004.FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT - PETITIONER
09/16/2005 005.NOTICE OF SOCIAL SECURITY - PETITIONER
09/16/2005 006.REQUEST FOR SUMMONS TO BE ISSUED
09/16/2005 007. SUMMONS ISSUED:CRYSTAL DIANE SHEFFIELD 9/19/2005
09/16/2005 .ADDRESS:11024 ARROWBROOK JAX FL 32221
09/16/2005 .SUMM RT 10-26-05 SVD 10-05-05 DUE 10-25-05
10/18/2005 008. ANSWER FILED BY PETITIONER
10/26/2005 009. MOTION TO SET HEARING
10/26/2005 010. MOTION FOR DEFAULT
10/27/2005 011. DEFAULT ENTERED
10/27/2005 012.CLERK'S CERTIFICATE
11/01/2005 013. EMERGENCY VERIFED MOTION FOR CHILD PICK-UP ORDER
11/01/2005 015.UNIFORM CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION/ENFORCEMENT AFFID.
11/01/2005 016. ORDER SETTING ASIDE DEFAULT - EEH
11/01/2005 017.ORDER OF REFERRAL TO GENERAL MAGISTRATE - EEH
11/01/2005 .PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND FOR RELATED RELIEF
11/01/2005 .FILED BY PETITIONER
11/01/2005 014.CERTFICATE OF COMPLETITION - CRYSTAL CUMMINGS
11/22/2005 018. COPY - NOTICE OF HEARING - 12-01-05 @ 9:00 RMP
11/22/2005 .PETITIONERS MOTION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY
12/01/2005 019. FAMILY COURT MIN - PET. PRES, RESP. NOT PRES,
12/01/2005 .C/S TO BE DETERMINED, SHARED PRIMARY RESIDENTAL WITH
12/01/2005 .FATHER,. STANDARD AT FATHER DISCREATION, JUDICALLY
12/01/2005 .RECOGNIZED 05-1354 -FD, RONALD CUMMINGS DECLARED LEGAL
12/01/2005 .FATHER OF BOTH CHILDREN , SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSLIBILTY
12/01/2005 .WITH PRIMARY RESIDENTAL WITH FATHER, STANDARD
12/01/2005 .VISITATION DISCRESTION OF FATHER IF SAFETY FOR THE
12/01/2005 .CHILDREN CONCERNS ADVISE, 24 HRS NOTICE TO EXCERSISE
12/01/2005 .VISITATION , MOTHER NOT TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THE
12/01/2005 .STATE OF FLORIDA WITHOUT FATHERS WRITTN CONSENT OR
12/01/2005 .FURTHER ORDER OF THE COURT
12/05/2005 022.REPORT/RECOMMENDATION OF GENERAL MASTER-MP
12/05/2005 .PET. FOUND TO BE FATHER OF MINOR CHILDREN, SHARED
12/05/2005 .PARENTAL RESPONSLIBLITY, WITH PETITIONER HAVING
12/05/2005 .PRIMARY RESIDENTAL CUSTODY, UNSUPERVISED VISITATION
12/05/2005 .ACCORDING TO STANDARD VISITATION SCHEDULE, MOTHER TO
12/05/2005 .PAY C/S OF $323/MTH TO BEGININING WHEN ORDER SIGNED
12/05/2005 .BOTH PARTIES TO MAINTAIN MEDICAID INSURANCE ON BOTH
12/05/2005 .CHILDREN
12/05/2005 020. NOTICE OF CURRENT ADDRESS - CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD
12/05/2005 021.IDENTIFICATION - DRIVER'S LICENSE - RESPONDENT
12/06/2005 023. FAXED LETTER FROM RESPONDENT TO MAGISTRATE IN RE:
12/06/2005 .REHEARING
12/08/2005 024. RETURN TO SENDER - REPORT AND RECOMMEDATION - RESP.
12/13/2005 025. NOTICE OF HEARING - 12-27-05 @ 10:30 RMP - PETITIONERS
12/13/2005 .MOTION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF
12/13/2005 026. ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR REHEARING - RMP -
12/27/2005 027.CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF PARENTING CLASS
12/27/2005 RESPONDENT
12/27/2005 028.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
01/03/2006 029.REPORT/RECOMMENDATION OF GEN.MAG. ON FJ OF PATERNITY
01/06/2006 030. MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS
01/06/2006 OF MAGISTRATE
01/20/2006 031.MOTION TO STRIKE OR DIMISS MOTION FOR REHEARING
01/20/2006 AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE-PETITIONER
01/24/2006 032.NOTICE OF HEARING-HRG SET FOR 02/28/06 @ 1:30
01/24/2006 EEH-COURTROOM 305
01/25/2006 033.NOTICE OF HEARING-HRG SET FOR 02/28/06 @ 1:30-EEH
01/31/2006 034.CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION-HUSBAND
02/28/2006 035.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
03/02/2006 036.NOTICE OF HEARING-SET FOR 04/06/06 @ 3:00
03/09/2006 037.EMERGENCY MOTION FOR RETURN OF CHILDREN - PETITIONER
03/15/2006 038.NOTICE OF HEARING - HRG SET FOR 03/21/06 @ 10:30
03/16/2006 039.SUBPOENA FOR HEARING - HRG SET FOR 03/21/06 @ 10:30
03/16/2006 SUBPOENA FOR: MICHAEL S WORD C/O WALMART DISTRIBUTION
03/16/2006 CENTER
03/20/2006 040.NOTICE OF FILING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
03/20/2006 PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH MINOR
03/20/2006 CHILDREN
03/21/2006 041.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
03/22/2006 042.ORDER ON EMERGENCY MOTION FOR RETURN OF CHILDREN
03/22/2006 043.NOTICE OF FILING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
03/22/2006 PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH MINOR
03/22/2006 CHILDREN
04/04/2006 044.NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
04/12/2006 045.NOTICE OF UN-AVAILABILITY-CHARLES BEHM-ESQUIRE
08/17/2006 046.NOTICE OF HEARING - STATUS CONFERENCE
08/17/2006 HRG SET FOR 10/04/06 @ 3:00 - EEH
10/04/2006 047.FAMILY COURT MINUTES-PET NOT PRESENT-R MURPHY PRESENT
10/04/2006 RESP NOT PRESENT-C BEHM PRESENT
12/28/2006 048.NOTICE OF HEARING - HRG SET FOR 01/04/07 @ 3:30
01/04/2007 049.NOTICE OF FILING TRANSCRIPT - RESPONDENT
01/26/2007 050.NOTICE OF HEARING REGARDING OBJECTIONS TO FINDINGS
01/26/2007 OF MAGISTRATE-HRG SET FOR 02/13/07 @ 2:00 - EEH
02/13/2007 051.FAMILY COURT MINUTES PET PR RESP PR
02/22/2007 052.NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY OF COUNSEL - BEHM
05/11/2007 053.CORRESPONDENCE FROM NANCY GRIFFIS TO EEH
11/08/2007 054.ORDER APPROVING REPORT/RECOMMENDATIONS OF MAGISTRATE
11/26/2007 FL#200754636011
06/16/2008 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08
02/10/2009 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
02/20/2009 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL
03/17/2009 058.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - KIM PICAZIO FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD
03/20/2009 059.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE-T JERRY SNIDER FOR FATHER
03/26/2009 060.NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY
04/06/2009 061.OBJECTION TO NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY
06/08/2009 062.MEMO FROM FINANCE TO KIM PICAZIO: UNCOLLECTED FUNDS HOLD
06/18/2009 063.MEMO FROM FINANCE TO KIM PICAZIO: PAYMENT OF UNCOLLECTED
06/18/2009 FUNDS HOLD DUE TO IDENTIFY THEFT
07/08/2009 064.NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
07/14/2009 065.AGREED ORDER ON CHILDRENS ISSUES - AWN
07/14/2009 FL#200954681414
07/17/2009 066.MOTION TO WITHDRAW - KIM PICAZIO/RESPONDENT
07/22/2009 ----:NOTE TO FILE----(DKT#66) ATTORNEY TO SET HEARING
07/22/2009 08/05/09 @ 11:00 BY PHONE - AWN ----
07/27/2009 067.NOTICE OF HEARING/AWN FOR 08/05/09 AT 11:00
07/29/2009 068.CONSENT ON COUNSELS MOTION TO WITHDRAW-JERRY SNIDER
08/05/2009 069.FAMILY COURT MINUTES

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/clkmain.asp

How many Judges and Magistrates turning a deaf ear to the pleas of a desperate mother are enough before we can believe Crystal Sheffield fought for her children?

In the attachments below, you can see that Crystal was turned down for legal assistance in this battle, but she didn't give up. She filed simple letters in her own words as her pro se responses in this fight. How many letters containing these excerpts from a desperate mother would be enough for us to believe the deck had been stacked against her with what was to become tragic consequences?

“I am in fear of my two children Haleigh and Ronald Jr's safety.”

“Your Honor I am afraid what might happen to my children if they stay with him.”

“I am begging the courts to please have mercy on my children and return them to me before something bad happens to one of them.”

Of all the tens of thousands of words I have read regarding this case, NONE have more successfully conveyed the force and impact of the author's message.

Maybe Crystal Sheffield didn't have the financial resources that some are able to enjoy. Maybe Crystal Sheffield didn't have the benefit of as much formal education as some. Or maybe, Crystal Sheffield was too honest in her responses to this system where the deck had been so carefully stacked against her with the lies contained in the various documents I have posted.

No matter one's assessment of Crystal Sheffield, it simply can not be denied that she fought for her children, right up until......."something bad happened to one of them".

 

[krkrjx]

BBM

The following is the court record of a long, lengthy battle spanning ALMOST FOUR YEARS where TWO people were fighting over the custody of two children.

At what point does it appear that Crystal “didn’t do enough” or "didn't do anything????????"?



How many Judges and Magistrates turning a deaf ear to the pleas of a desperate mother are enough before we can believe Crystal Sheffield fought for her children?

In the attachments below, you can see that Crystal was turned down for legal assistance in this battle, but she didn't give up. She filed simple letters in her own words as her pro se responses in this fight. How many letters containing these excerpts from a desperate mother would be enough for us to believe the deck had been stacked against her with what was to become tragic consequences?



Of all the tens of thousands of words I have read regarding this case, NONE have more successfully conveyed the force and impact of the author's message.

Maybe Crystal Sheffield didn't have the financial resources that some are able to enjoy. Maybe Crystal Sheffield didn't have the benefit of as much formal education as some. Or maybe, Crystal Sheffield was too honest in her responses to this system where the deck had been so carefully stacked against her with the lies contained in the various documents I have posted.

No matter one's assessment of Crystal Sheffield, it simply can not be denied that she fought for her children, right up until......."something bad happened to one of them".

The documents posted in this regard on this forum should clear this issue up for good. All it takes to realize that Crystal was not the villain and that she does love her children and had good reason to fear for their safety is an open mind. Some have the ability to accept the facts, some don't.

 

[Chablis]

Hi there, thanks for your post. I'll find the part of the Bar documents for you. You're right I prefer to hear things from LE. I don't know why KP brought it up, I think really it was to hurt Crystal. JMO. There was a lot of info in there that none of us needed to know imo. As far as the court doc, I think at the time he believed Crystal was unaware of the hearing. JMO.

Yes. Obviously Kim did it to hurt Crystal, and all the people who have great hate for Haleighs mother, have latched onto it like white on rice and have used it to bash this young gal over and over again. I find it uncouth.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't know how anyone could hate Crystal, or Ronald. That makes me sad. Imo they both love HaLeigh and want her home. I don't believe either harmed HaLeigh. They're all in my prayers.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

I don't know how anyone could hate Crystal, or Ronald. That makes me sad. Imo they both love HaLeigh and want her home. I don't believe either harmed HaLeigh. They're all in my prayers.

RE:BBM - If you, or anyone else for that matter, truly believe that Crystal isn't involved in HaLeigh's disappearance, than why all the time and effort put into smearing her as a person & mother? If it isn't about getting to the truth TO FIND HALEIGH, then what is it really all about? Is it merely done to rebut those of us who happen to believe that Ronald is involved and/or knows exactly what happened to his daughter? How sad if true, and what a waste of time IMO.

ETA: What a shame to reduce this search/discussion to nothing more than tit-for-tat - JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

Hi Papa, I found the link for you: http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/Object_130C2E2_0.PDF

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO....Crystal and her family were in no way ever involved with what happened to Haleigh on February 9, 2009 eventhough many did their best to attempt to prove she and members of her famiy had a motive...
As I see it now, the 180 turn around in regards to Crystal NOW not being in anyway ever involved in what happened to Haleigh is due to the fact she is allowing herself to once again be manipulated by Ron C and his family..
Ron C and his mother have both proven they are good at manipulating and deceiving those who are trusting and gullible..
Personally, I would like to know what explanation they gave her for ever accusing her of hiding Haleigh in the first place... Certainly Crystal heard Ron C's remarks to his mother when he was first arrested and put in jail...It sickens me knowing she is allowing herself to be abused by these people.. JMHOOTS

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

IMO....Crystal and her family were in no way ever involved with what happened to Haleigh on February 9, 2009 eventhough many did their best to attempt to prove she and members of her famiy had a motive...
As I see it now, the 180 turn around in regards to Crystal NOW not being in anyway ever involved is due to the fact she is allowing herself to once again be manipulated by Ron C and his family..
Ron C and his mother have both proven they are good at manipulating and deceiving those who are trusting and gullible.. JMHOOTS

That's how I see it too Em. So long as Crystal "behaves" and talks nice about the TN & Son, all is good. Of course the minute she speaks her heart & mind again, the smear campaign begins...again. (Be a good girl Crystal and just shut your mouth...) JMO~

 

[lonetraveler]

(BBM)

RE:BBM - If you, or anyone else for that matter, truly believe that Crystal isn't involved in HaLeigh's disappearance, than why all the time and effort put into smearing her as a person & mother? If it isn't about getting to the truth TO FIND HALEIGH, then what is it really all about? Is it merely done to rebut those of us who happen to believe that Ronald is involved and/or knows exactly what happened to his daughter? How sad if true, and what a waste of time IMO.

ETA: What a shame to reduce this search/discussion to nothing more than tit-for-tat - JMO

:clap::clap::clap: Thanks just wasn't enough for such an accurate and honest post.