General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[justanother]

Wow, i'm just starting to read up on this. I have known about it but never really knew much. What a mess. I may have asked this somewhere but what did junior have to say about that night? Kids that young rarely know how to lie.

I have a lot of scenarios running through my head. It's sad to know that in so many cases we never know the truth and that a child can go missing and no-one is held accountable.

 

[dodie20]

Wow, i'm just starting to read up on this. I have known about it but never really knew much. What a mess. I may have asked this somewhere but what did junior have to say about that night? Kids that young rarely know how to lie.

I have a lot of scenarios running through my head. It's sad to know that in so many cases we never know the truth and that a child can go missing and no-one is held accountable.

Jr according to his mother, said a man in black or a black man in black took Haleigh...and Misty was sleeping. He also said the man had squeaky shoes and that the couch was 'bouncing'. That's pretty close to what was reported, if not word for word.

 

[JBounds]

With Ron and Misty involved in drugs so much, I wouldn't doubt this had to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Just a theory I have and only speculation.

 

[lil momma]

Wow, i'm just starting to read up on this. I have known about it but never really knew much. What a mess. I may have asked this somewhere but what did junior have to say about that night? Kids that young rarely know how to lie.

I have a lot of scenarios running through my head. It's sad to know that in so many cases we never know the truth and that a child can go missing and no-one is held accountable.

and to bounce of dodie i wanted to also add, Ron denied that JR saw anything. It was also said that Crystal was making that up.

So for ever one single event that happened, you have one person claiming it happened and one claiming it didn't.... that, my friend, is why this case remains unsolved, IMO. they are all liars, every last one of them. JMO

 

[lil momma]

i am not sure where to put this, so if it needs to be moved MODS please do so. Thanks!

Looking through the internet, i came across something and not sure if it means anything, or even connected to this case, but found it strange that there would be a street in this name---

http://www.wildlifesouth.com/Locations/Florida/JoeOverstreet.html


now, it is 2 hours and 13 minute drive from Satsuma..... could be nothing, but thought i would put it out there.... ANYTHING at this point would be good!

 

[4Jacy]

and to bounce of dodie i wanted to also add, [/B]Ron denied that JR saw anything. It was also said that Crystal was making that up.

So for ever one single event that happened, you have one person claiming it happened and one claiming it didn't.... that, my friend, is why this case remains unsolved, IMO. they are all liars, every last one of them. JMO

BBM

And Ron knew this how? He was at werk remember! :banghead:

 

[mysticrose]

Well I sat here and was writing a long post again about a theory I have but frankly I have several, so I deleted.

Imho Ron's association with drugs is what led up to Haleigh missing, Misty does not hold the key to what happened here.

I would like to hear from Amber B about that weekend, I think she has more info that would help in this investigation, she was to quiet to early and if I remember correctly her mom up and split town very early on as well, never to be heard from again which I found odd.

LE early on had tunnel vision, it is hard to pull any info from drug users and dealers, and any info you get is not very reliable as most have been high for who knows how long and probably could not tell you when the sun rises and sets, most are afraid of retaliation in talking even in small time dealings, but I do not believe Ron was dealing with small time people, he was to seasoned and I saw that early on because I have known and dealt with people like that on lower and higher levels in my past, so I based that from my experience only.
As far as Tommy goes I think he was talking out of his butt, just trying to give LE something, anything that would get them to go away in his mind.

As far as the rat in the mailbox, that was Ron's way of telling Tommy to keep his mouth shut about Ron being a drug dealer and such I believe there was nothing more there.
It is hard to understand the actions and the dealings of these people but when you put drugs into the equation it becomes more clearer to me as people addicted to drugs will and do do irrational things.
I also believe that Ron was supplying his mother and if not GS with prescription drugs, wich to me would explain their shady behavior as well, everybody is trying to cover their butt instead of really trying to help find Haleigh, just pure selfishness, but that is the world of drugs for you, plain and simple.
Here I am rambling, not sure if any of this really helps or hurts, Haleigh is gone and may never be found.

Ron needs to be truthful to LE about whom he was dealing with in regards to drugs and others around him at the time, regardless! I just don't think that will happen because of his stance that he is not or was not a drug dealer, and also the mind set he will take care of it himself, narcissism comes to mind and until he can get past that I do not feel this case will move forward. Imho only, Ron holds the key and he has been and still is biting his tounge.

moo .....

 

[lil momma]

BBM

And Ron knew this how? He was at werk remember! :banghead:

the same way he knew where everyone was sleeping that night too! :crazy: :crazy:

 

[4Jacy]

the same way he knew where everyone was sleeping that night too! :crazy: :crazy:

I forgot that one. Great!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Tricia, did you get my PM? I need some advice and don't know who to ask. Trying not to panic?

 

[Flossie JMO]

BBM

And Ron knew this how? He was at werk remember! :banghead:

JMO he would have asked Junior.

 

[4Jacy]

JMO he would have asked Junior.

Well that would make sense except for two things: He couldn't even talk with the 911 operator and I thought Jr. was whisked away by GGS. Just saying...

 

[Silkprint]

I have always been of the opinion that while RC isn't the best guy in the world ..he didn't have anything to do with Haleigh 's disappearing .
I thought Misty was just a silly kid at first . Maybe some horrible accident happened that night . Maybe she knocked her out to go party ..whatever it was Haleigh was with her last ..she even states herself she was the last person to see Haleigh alive ..very telling in my opinion .I do think that's why she keeps telling different stories ..how many are there now ? why did she fail her LDs? She needs to start telling the truth but like another infamous liar she isn't going to .

 

[Silkprint]

To clarify : At first I thoght she was a goofy kid maybe that smoked pot that night and didn;t know what happened .
Then it started to come on that she wasn't wuite what I had thought [ actually none of them were] but her stories kept changing ..she used past tense right away , failed LD . Something was wrong . Once she was arrested and still kept telling more stories ..well it fell into place for me . She implicated anyone she could . If she had anything on Ron she would have screamed it from the rooftops . She is right where she belongs for the werong reasons .

 

[tfrohning]

Interesting from Steve Brown! I post here if mod think it should be move...please do

http://handcuffedtotheocean.com/

snip
There are many aspects in the Haleigh Cummings case that remain unexplained. Some of these mysteries are self-evident. Where is Haleigh? But other aspects, which are puzzling, could perhaps simply be resolved by the PCSO with the simple release of information not critical to any prosecutorial effort in this case

 

[Flossie JMO]

Well that would make sense except for two things: He couldn't even talk with the 911 operator and I thought Jr. was whisked away by GGS. Just saying...

There was a lapse of time between when HaLeigh disappeared and Ronald responded to Crystal's comments on what Junior allegedly said. I don't recall reading about Junior being "whisked away" but it was a couple years back

 

[Flossie JMO]

I have always been of the opinion that while RC isn't the best guy in the world ..he didn't have anything to do with Haleigh 's disappearing .
I thought Misty was just a silly kid at first . Maybe some horrible accident happened that night . Maybe she knocked her out to go party ..whatever it was Haleigh was with her last ..she even states herself she was the last person to see Haleigh alive ..very telling in my opinion .I do think that's why she keeps telling different stories ..how many are there now ? why did she fail her LDs? She needs to start telling the truth but like another infamous liar she isn't going to .

JMO I don't believe Ron was involved either

 

[Flossie JMO]

Interesting from Steve Brown! I post here if mod think it should be move...please do

http://handcuffedtotheocean.com/

snip
There are many aspects in the Haleigh Cummings case that remain unexplained. Some of these mysteries are self-evident. Where is Haleigh? But other aspects, which are puzzling, could perhaps simply be resolved by the PCSO with the simple release of information not critical to any prosecutorial effort in this case

While I do suspect it is true, I wonder what proof Steve has, or says he has, in addition to Tommy telling him, about Tommy being there late that night/early morning

 

[tfrohning]

While I do suspect it is true, I wonder what proof Steve has, or says he has, in addition to Tommy telling him, about Tommy being there late that night/early morning

I thought that Tommy was at the moblie home between 10-10:30 banging on the window. Steve said that not correct:waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

I thought that Tommy was at the moblie home between 10-10:30 banging on the window. Steve said that not correct:waitasec:

Tommy later said he and JO were in the home, so which story to believe? Try as I might, I can't think of 1 reason to confess to witnessing and being a part of a terrible crime, if he wasn't involved. and then blame his cousin for murder? Tommy was either telling the truth, or something very close...but changed key elements to minimize his own involvement. MOO. One of the things that struck me about that story was Misty's lack of involvement and input. According to them, she was nothing more than a background player hiding under the covers. If she was the murderer wouldn't she have had more to add? if for no other reason than to deflect? I still have a hard time believing Tommy didn't get into trouble for that tale. I mean, what the heck? All I know is that when he realized he wasn't calling the shots, he clammed up. Misty and CC have both apologized for the story and claim it was a lie. Well, if that's true, that leaves Tommy. Why hasn't he recanted? either because he's telling the truth or because if he recants, he'll be forced to explain how he came about certain knowledge. and IMO, he can't afford to do that. Without JO to blame, that leaves just him at the scene of the crime. Actually, CC's and Misty's recants don't mean much. If they weren't there, they could have been guessing. I'm back to thinking Misty wasn't there most of the night. So Tommy may be telling a semi truth about JO and the girls don't know because they weren't there. But even if Misty wasn't there the whole night, that by no means gets her off the hook. Her lies prove that she is hiding something...and she probably became involved at some point. LE supposedly, according to Art Harris, offered Misty ammunity. There's the possibility that they were willing to settle for the 25 drug years in exchange for the truth? But personally, I'm more inclined to think that the deal was offered because LE knows she wasn't the murderer and the murderer is who they want. All of this is just MOO.