General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[FL Convict]

Guy I was locked up with said he was at the prison Ron is at. (Liberty CI). He said the guy is a weirdo. He mentioned this after the news spoke briefly about the case. This was a few months ago.

Idk who is responsible...I suspect Ron. I think Misty knows, but is "afraid" to "snitch" or something.

I don't know too much about this case, because it has not gotten much coverage while I was gone. I just saw Misty's prison interview.

 

[Whisperer]

Either misty is responsible or rc has led her to believe she was.

 

[Whisperer]

Guy I was locked up with said he was at the prison Ron is at. (Liberty CI). He said the guy is a weirdo. He mentioned this after the news spoke briefly about the case. This was a few months ago.

Idk who is responsible...I suspect Ron. I think Misty knows, but is "afraid" to "snitch" or something.

I don't know too much about this case, because it has not gotten much coverage while I was gone. I just saw Misty's prison interview.

I am glad you are here!

:welcome:


.......rc is a weirdo, the guy was right. I am glad that you can shed some light on the system in florida. What are the C.O's like, generally speaking? Are they easy to get along with? Do they have a mental health system within the prisons?

 

[Chablis]

Either misty is responsible or rc has led her to believe she was.

Misty is responsible for Haleighs death because she made Ron mad and he took it out on Haleigh, for whatever reasons. jmo

 

[FL Convict]

I am glad you are here!

:welcome:


.......rc is a weirdo, the guy was right. I am glad that you can shed some light on the system in florida. What are the C.O's like, generally speaking? Are they easy to get along with? Do they have a mental health system within the prisons?

Thanks for the welcome!

:rocker:

COs vary from prison to prison. In county jail they are pretty good. In state prison they can be VERY cruel or petty. There are guards I would have no problem with saving if they got attacked, but there are others who I wish the worst.

The guards I had contact with(which was many) were pretty decent and fair. There were a few who just loooove writing people up. When you get written up, there's really a 0.01% chance you'll be found not guilty. So the guards use that as power.

Florida DOC does not really treat their mental health inmates the way they should imo. Meds will be given out, etc, but the guards can be pretty abusive.

They have prisons here that have decent systems to help the mentally ill. Lake CI and Santa Rosa CI are two of them IIRC. From what I heard, Lake CI apparently is full of them plus "regular" inmates.

I don't have experience with them so I don't know for sure. I can only relay what inmates who have been there and tell me what goes on. All inmates pretty much talk about where they've been...ESPECIALLY in the reception centers.

 

[dodie20]

I am glad you are here!

:welcome:


.......rc is a weirdo, the guy was right. I am glad that you can shed some light on the system in florida. What are the C.O's like, generally speaking? Are they easy to get along with? Do they have a mental health system within the prisons?

awhile back, I remember you telling me to go wit my 1st instincts. Your instincts, I believe, suspected Misty, but mine suspected Ron. At the time, I saw a scared, young, manipulated girl, and a controlling, abusive man. The way he talked to her on the 911, freaked me out. I thought he was abusive, and more importantly, fake. But, Tim Miller came on the scene, and said nothing was as it seemed...so I started rethinking things. I've known a lot of people who are like Misty and Ron, but their dynamics are alien to me. He married the girl, who according to the chain of logic, had something to do with his daughter's disappearance...and he drove around with the 'only God can judge me' sticker. IMO, that was the real explanation for marrying Misty. He wasn't keeping his enemy close. His reasons were between him and God, and nobody's business. Period. I've come to suspect that Ron's real crime was covering for Misty, (whatever her part was), and hindering the investigation. If that's true, who knows what his justification was. Maybe, (I hope, but doubt it), if Misty's the murderer, he had enough insight to realize that he was just as responsible as she was. And who knows...maybe that's how LE feels too, and that's why he is serving 15 years. JMO.

 

[FL Convict]

Look at his mugshot.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/InmateAction.asp?DataAction=GetInmate&DCNumber=v36497

That look...

 

[GER]

Look at his mugshot.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/InmateAction.asp?DataAction=GetInmate&DCNumber=v36497

That look...

Hey there FL Convict... I may refer to you FIRS... *grin*
I consider THAT particular look on RC's booking mug to prison, as his CAVITY Search look.... *smile*

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks for the welcome!

:rocker:

COs vary from prison to prison. In county jail they are pretty good. In state prison they can be VERY cruel or petty. There are guards I would have no problem with saving if they got attacked, but there are others who I wish the worst.

The guards I had contact with(which was many) were pretty decent and fair. There were a few who just loooove writing people up. When you get written up, there's really a 0.01% chance you'll be found not guilty. So the guards use that as power.

Florida DOC does not really treat their mental health inmates the way they should imo. Meds will be given out, etc, but the guards can be pretty abusive.

They have prisons here that have decent systems to help the mentally ill. Lake CI and Santa Rosa CI are two of them IIRC. From what I heard, Lake CI apparently is full of them plus "regular" inmates.

I don't have experience with them so I don't know for sure. I can only relay what inmates who have been there and tell me what goes on. All inmates pretty much talk about where they've been...ESPECIALLY in the reception centers.

Thanks for responding. In Ca, they have extensive mental health. In fact one whole prison is dedicated but they all have mental health workers. There was a class action suit filed and many attorneys are now retired on the money they made off the State.

Inmates could just call an attorney if they didn't like what was going on. I was told once that the C.O's in Florida have not reached the level that the C.O's here have regarding dealing w/inmates. In fact, I was told it was easier to do time in Florida than it is here...NOW, that would be amazing!

I can see doing time in County was a breeze when I saw what was happening in Orlando. Out here, County is much harder time than State Prison...go figure!

 

[Whisperer]

Hi Ger..

They all went to bed...:floorlaugh:

 

[Whisperer]

Since I am SO upset over this Dr Phil fiasco, I am hiding out here. Imagine getting ALL that money plus a brand new jeep. :sick:

 

[twall]

Look at his mugshot.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/InmateAction.asp?DataAction=GetInmate&DCNumber=v36497

That look...

I'd rather not, lol. :loser:

 

[dodie20]

Thanks for responding. In Ca, they have extensive mental health. In fact one whole prison is dedicated but they all have mental health workers. There was a class action suit filed and many attorneys are now retired on the money they made off the State.

Inmates could just call an attorney if they didn't like what was going on. I was told once that the C.O's in Florida have not reached the level that the C.O's here have regarding dealing w/inmates. In fact, I was told it was easier to do time in Florida than it is here...NOW, that would be amazing!

I can see doing time in County was a breeze when I saw what was happening in Orlando. Out here, County is much harder time than State Prison...go figure!

Here in my neck of the woods, county jail is so bad that the inmates pray for prison. I feel sorry for people who receive those year long sentences. They're barely fed, screamed at, made fun of, demeaned, you name it. My dd was lucky enough to spend 2 days with them, where she was pretty much ignored, thank God. She was going through her time of the month, and they told my brother, an attorney, they'd take care of it, lol...she laid there for 2 days without a change of clothes, a tampon, nothing. My brother was shocked that he was lied to. Her charge was later dropped, and she really wasn't guilty, (of fam violence against her bf), to begin with, but was treated like a dog. They strapped her bf in a restraint chair, and my dd heard him screaming her name over and over. When she asked what was going on, the cops just laughed and made fun of him. 2 of those cops were women! no compassion for anybody, and they're always getting caught smuggling in drugs, phones, etc...My sister's best friend died in the county jail, in the next town. I read a NY Times article about that particular jail, the sheriff, and all of their suspicious deaths. County jails in Texas, are scary places. JMO.

 

[FL Convict]

Thanks for responding. In Ca, they have extensive mental health. In fact one whole prison is dedicated but they all have mental health workers. There was a class action suit filed and many attorneys are now retired on the money they made off the State.

Inmates could just call an attorney if they didn't like what was going on. I was told once that the C.O's in Florida have not reached the level that the C.O's here have regarding dealing w/inmates. In fact, I was told it was easier to do time in Florida than it is here...NOW, that would be amazing!

I can see doing time in County was a breeze when I saw what was happening in Orlando. Out here, County is much harder time than State Prison...go figure!

In prison there is more "freedom" than in county jail, but the violence is the difference maker. In county, there wasn't much violence at all. People were too busy stressin about their case... I would have rather done time in county, but that place is only for awaiting trial and sentences of a year or less.

In prison, the violence is sometimes unreal. The rape stuff doesnt happen here, but the violence is probably more vicious than on tv. I've seen dudes get thrown over the tier and bust their head like a watermelon!! The gang violence is crazy...some prisons here have so much gang violence that neutrons(non gang members) might have to check out or pay rent.

I was in a few diff facilities...they were pretty much all hellholes, but once you're there for a while, you get used to it and you know most of the people in your pod.

oh and FL DOC also does not treat young offenders the way they should too imo... one facility in particular I feel does, but the rest need better training.

 

[mkay882]

I just have to ask, have you met and talked to either of HaLeigh's parents? Either one?

I can tell you this much, as sad as it is, the loss of a child, HaLeigh, Crystal grew up. A lot. She's a young parent and as such doesn't have the experience, but that will come. What experience she does have that so many of us don't have, THANK GOODNESS, is the loss of a child.

It upsets me to see her be 'trashed' as I see it... 2 years have gone by and not a one of us are so privy to what that poor young woman has gone thru, the guilt, the anguish, the denial, the pain of everyday.... Are we so perfect that we can so easily put into words of such ugliness? Really?

Parenting skills don't come naturally, people... they're acquired. ...many times thru mistakes made, hopefully for the most part, those mistakes aren't as serious as one having a child missing...

Remember, the written word, either expressed as YOUR OPINION or what not, it can be downright hurtful... please remember that.

Now what I really came on this thread to do was to update on what I found today.... almost skeered the bejeebus outta me... LOLOLOL

I went to the San Mateo Discount Beverage... you know the place where RC/MC were busted...
ANYWAY... as I was leaving the store, I saw a TV set up with at least 6 little screens on the one tv... Yep they were surveillance cameras... and I stood and watched each screen and while there were 4 of them inside the store itself, there were TWO that was in the parking lot of the store... AND while I was watching, I could see 3 cars travel by on Hwy. 17! Amazing I tell ya!
I asked the store owner when he put that up and he said just last month, he'd been fearful of being robbed in this economy and also for stopping and or identifying drug dealers and panhandlers... Makes sense to me. Just surprised that Putnam County is coming up in the world...and it's because of a bad economy! :sigh:

No I haven't Ger. Never met or spoke to any of them.
Why do you ask?

By the same token Crystal 'shouldn't be trashed' for her mistakes why is it ok for Ron to be?

This is supposed to be a so called 'family friendly board' in case 'they' decide to read here or try and get information on their missing family member.

Ron is not a suspect per the law in the county. Yet everyday he is allowed to be trashed.
Those of us who simply quote what LE has stated are over-run with wild theories of why/how LE must be wrong.

Why should it be different for the mother who is also not a suspect according to law enforcement in the county?

Do you know if any of the homes after crossing the RR tracks to Ron's house had cameras of their own? TIA

 

[christee]

No I haven't Ger. Never met or spoke to any of them.
Why do you ask?

By the same token Crystal 'shouldn't be trashed' for her mistakes why is it ok for Ron to be?

This is supposed to be a so called 'family friendly board' in case 'they' decide to read here or try and get information on their missing family member.

Ron is not a suspect per the law in the county. Yet everyday he is allowed to be trashed.
Those of us who simply quote what LE has stated are over-run with wild theories of why/how LE must be wrong.

Why should it be different for the mother who is also not a suspect according to law enforcement in the county?

Do you know if any of the homes after crossing the RR tracks to Ron's house had cameras of their own? TIA

I'm not Ger but I do have a thought (however keep in mind it is about 5am here)...

Perhaps more criticism is directed towards Ron because HaLeigh was in his care when she went missing and afterwards his behavior was questionable (to say the least), ultimately leading him to his current residence.
Crystal has not been arrested since HaLeigh disappeared (if I'm wrong about this feel free to correct me), has not spent time in jail and is not in prison. She appears to have kept her nose clean.

Since I have no knowledge of either parent before HaLeigh went missing I wouldn't feel comfortable criticizing either Ron or Crystal. But I've seen and read enough that I'm comfortable with the criticisms I do have of Ron. For me, if your child is missing, possibly kidnapped, you don't waste time, resources and emotion on selfish indulgence. Ron's desire for living a life around drugs allows me to have the opinion I have of him as a father and I do think the life he chose ultimately led to the loss of HaLeigh's life.

bbm

 

[JSV]

I'm not Ger but I do have a thought (however keep in mind it is about 5am here)...

Perhaps more criticism is directed towards Ron because HaLeigh was in his care when she went missing and afterwards his behavior was questionable (to say the least), ultimately leading him to his current residence.
Crystal has not been arrested since HaLeigh disappeared (if I'm wrong about this feel free to correct me), has not spent time in jail and is not in prison. She appears to have kept her nose clean.

Since I have no knowledge of either parent before HaLeigh went missing I wouldn't feel comfortable criticizing either Ron or Crystal. But I've seen and read enough that I'm comfortable with the criticisms I do have of Ron. For me, if your child is missing, possibly kidnapped, you don't waste time, resouces and emotion on selfish indulgence. Ron's desire for living a life around drugs allows me to have the opinion I have of him as a father and I do think the life he chose ultimately led to the loss of HaLeigh's life.

bbm

I agree with you 100% Christee. Good Post

 

[Flossie JMO]

I'm not Ger but I do have a thought (however keep in mind it is about 5am here)...

Perhaps more criticism is directed towards Ron because HaLeigh was in his care when she went missing and afterwards his behavior was questionable (to say the least), ultimately leading him to his current residence.
Crystal has not been arrested since HaLeigh disappeared (if I'm wrong about this feel free to correct me), has not spent time in jail and is not in prison. She appears to have kept her nose clean.
Since I have no knowledge of either parent before HaLeigh went missing I wouldn't feel comfortable criticizing either Ron or Crystal. But I've seen and read enough that I'm comfortable with the criticisms I do have of Ron. For me, if your child is missing, possibly kidnapped, you don't waste time, resources and emotion on selfish indulgence. Ron's desire for living a life around drugs allows me to have the opinion I have of him as a father and I do think the life he chose ultimately led to the loss of HaLeigh's life.

bbm

bbm JMO, neither parent should be trashed, both are victims, love HaLeigh, and not suspects. Both had issues with drugs after HaLeigh's disapearance, but Crystal luckily did not get arrested or end up in jail for drugs, or not paying support. Both have had issues, and both want their baby back. I can't imagine what I would do while going through such a horrific tragedy. JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

No I haven't Ger. Never met or spoke to any of them.
Why do you ask?

By the same token Crystal 'shouldn't be trashed' for her mistakes why is it ok for Ron to be?This is supposed to be a so called 'family friendly board' in case 'they' decide to read here or try and get information on their missing family member.

Ron is not a suspect per the law in the county. Yet everyday he is allowed to be trashed.
Those of us who simply quote what LE has stated are over-run with wild theories of why/how LE must be wrong.

Why should it be different for the mother who is also not a suspect according to law enforcement in the county?
Do you know if any of the homes after crossing the RR tracks to Ron's house had cameras of their own? TIA

bbm, it's not.

bbm, it shouldn't be.

JMO

 

[lil momma]

Apparently FL has "being a deadbeat is ok" down pat.
Just seeing all the excuses made for Crystal, being one right here, shows why so many think it's ok. :banghead:

I wasn't making an excuse for Crystal. I was pointing out how the system is cheated very easily. I for one don't think it is OK at all! In the end it is only the child who is losing out, no one else. Yes, Crystal should have paid while Ron had custody of the children, but she isn't the first and she sure won't be the last. JMO