General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[lil momma]

Hi there. I'm not so sure she would be out quickly and have a tiny amount due to be sprung. JMO. When I have time I will look back at what was done with her father, I was under the impression he was let out earlier as the DNA test showed he wasn't actually the father. I think it was a bit different, iirc there was communication with the court by MG about the amounts owed and I don't think Ron ever pursued the money he was owed with the court. I will try and look tonight. JMO

That is fine, either way child support court and custody issues are separated in FL. two different courts. (one really has nothing to do with the other...i found this out through my own cases)

Not paying child support in FL isn't like it is in other states, they don't hunt you down and really enforce it, she would have gotten a slap on the wrist and would have been released.

As another way, people down here cheat the system, they will not pay child support until they get the court papers to appear, then they will make ONE month's payment prior to that court date, when they go to court they say they have a job they paid one month, (they could be years behind) the judge will tell them they have 24 hours to pay one months support...so collectively they have paid two months support in a year, and it is accepted by the judge.

The system here stinks!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Flossie JMO]

That is fine, either way child support court and custody issues are separated in FL. two different courts. (one really has nothing to do with the other...i found this out through my own cases)

Not paying child support in FL isn't like it is in other states, they don't hunt you down and really enforce it, she would have gotten a slap on the wrist and would have been released.

As another way, people down here cheat the system, they will not pay child support until they get the court papers to appear, then they will make ONE month's payment prior to that court date, when they go to court they say they have a job they paid one month, (they could be years behind) the judge will tell them they have 24 hours to pay one months support...so collectively they have paid two months support in a year, and it is accepted by the judge.

The system here stinks!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, and sorry to hear. Will look up and see if any relevant info is in the record, and post what I find.

 

[titanfan62702]

Agreed! If she did go to jail it would have been for a few hours, and then there would have been a TINY amount set for her to get out of jail, which the "purge" money would have been sent to Ron. They don't make you pay the whole amount my ex was 30K in the hole (probably more now) and when they arrested him for non payment, (which he was taken in for something else and they got him on child support) he had to pay $300 to get out. He was out within a few hours. jmo

My son has been behind since he lost his job probably 3 years ago. He was finally arrested a month or so ago for an outstanding warrant, but turned lose 'cause the jail was overcrowded with criminals.

 

[titanfan62702]

Yessssssss Whisp. I think the visit was a final goodbye as well. I thought this as soon as I heard Ron's story of Haleigh in his lap and his detail about kissing her goodbye and telling her that he would see her when he got home. I also think that AS brought Haleigh's "favorite outfit" for her to wear when put in her final resting place. All we have as an identity of the other part of "we" is Misty's statement about AS and Aunt Elise coming by with laundry. However, we do know that Hope is sitting in prison as well as the "most talked about" players. Who knows? Too bad we don't have information for Teresa's phone pings for that evening.

Wasn't that in one of the Tim Miller's tests that is supposedly useless?

I was wondering last night what the hype was about wanting us to believe Ron picked her up. Also back to one of my previous questions, what was Ron driving? If not a truck, why was she even allowed in the front seat.

 

[dodie20]

True.

Statistics, IMO, would show most children murdered are killed over money (and or) custody as opposed to school attendance.
Ron had custody and Crystal owed $12,000 plus.
To me that money owed, on top of court papers arriving a couple of days before HaLeigh disappeared, is much more interesting.

I never thought the school attendance, itself, was a motive...but I do think the trouble it caused Ron, maybe going to jail, and how it would affect custody issues, could have been a major problem. Most judges would be alarmed at such poor attendance. But like you, I also thought the support might have been a problem. JMO

 

[dodie20]

Crystal didn't pay child support. So what? I am sure that prior to Ronald's 'crane operator' job he was on the dole for those kids. It makes no sense to berate this child support issue when it was paid and he squandered a lost/dead childs' money on his own desires. It makes me sick to see these posts berating Crystal over child support when Ron himself is letting the state raise one of his own sons. Remember the little boy that is sick? That one! The one that he denies yet tries to take? Really? The pot calling the kettle black is an understatement in this case.

We are to believe that Ronald was a great provider, good father, and long time employed member of the community when the evidence is clear he was not. He was only working for a few months at the time of Haleigh's demise! He was at the least IMO getting state aid on the kids and probably insurance til the day Jr. was removed from his household. Also, he probably made the most of his income at tax time when he was able to claim EIC. I am sick of the song and dance that keeps being recited that he was a wonderful father.
This man said in the first interview he did after Haleigh disappeared that she was dead! I don't think anyone is going to convince me that Mr. Cummings is innocent in his daughters' demise.
I will refrain from conveying all the reasons I believe he is guilty as sin. IMO It has been debated and beaten to death here. The most telling fact for me two years later is his lack of interest in finding his child if she is 'missing'. There are tons of reporters who would be happy to interview him in prison or at least his mother and ggmother. Really? Just go quiet? Why did NG go quiet?
Finally, I think defending Crystal is a like walking in crap. You are inevitably gonna get some on you. She has failed Haleigh too. However, SHE IS NOT THE ONE WHO LOST HER! That onus lies blatantly at the feet of Mr. Cummings who had phyiscal custody and the responsiblity for her welfare. So Crystal didn't pay support, Ron hasn't either.
Finally, why did Ron lawyer up? Why did he take Misty out of the sheriff's office when they were questioning her? Why didn't he talk to police? Why didn't he share his time card? Why didn't he so many things. He hindered the investigation for a reason. I can't imagine what that would be unless he was protecting himself.
There is clearly a record of Ron cooperating with police when is butt is in a sling and he didn't do that this time. Wonder why?

just curious...do you know what the laws are pertaining to prisoners and child support? Are records kept of what should have been payed? or does some government payment kick in, and the ower is exempted? because I think when Ron and T ommy get out of prison, they should be held accountable. For instance...LC could get a decent job, and marry a man with a decent job. and wouldn't necessarily need government money, but her kids would still be entitled to their support. I don't like the idea of Ron and Tommy being let off the hook. JMO.

 

[Gwen]

I don't really know. I found this link though. I hope Crystal and the other mom both force the sale of that hideous truck and whatever else he has. If there was no support order then he is clear apparently. I wonder if he was ordered to pay support when Jr. was taken away? I can't imagine an order was rendered as he was in jail and frankly, Crystal just doesn't seem industrious enough to force the issue.

For the record, I am not a Crystal hater. I know I should just shut up. I feel sorry for her. I just can't get past her being so easy going where Haliegh is concerned. I guess I am disappointed. My problem not hers.

JMO

Here is the link:
http://www.masslegalhelp.org/children-and-families/child-support/in-jail

 

[mkay882]

I agree 100 percent. Ron knew his time was running out and Crystal could ask the courts to drug test him and bring up the trip DCF made to Ron and Misty along with the attendance issues and who knows what else she had on him. Crystal paying support after Haleigh went missing was recieved and probably spent by Ron for a child he knew was dead. That alone will probably get him the DP when hes charged for Haleighs murder, thankfully.

jmo

I highly doubt that. She too would fail any drug testing.
Not to mention the $12,000 owed her children for her share of their care.
The non payment would have gone far in showing how much Crystal "cared" about her first two kids.

That the money she owed was paid after HaLeigh went missing in no way negated the fact she owed it.
She didn't pay it. She never paid anything.

If Ron took that $12,000 to a titty bar it was his business because her share he spent all those years caring for his kids while she lay on the sofa.
Not my opinion either. That "sofa" comment came from her own mother.

 

[mkay882]

That is fine, either way child support court and custody issues are separated in FL. two different courts. (one really has nothing to do with the other...i found this out through my own cases)

Not paying child support in FL isn't like it is in other states, they don't hunt you down and really enforce it, she would have gotten a slap on the wrist and would have been released.

As another way, people down here cheat the system, they will not pay child support until they get the court papers to appear, then they will make ONE month's payment prior to that court date, when they go to court they say they have a job they paid one month, (they could be years behind) the judge will tell them they have 24 hours to pay one months support...so collectively they have paid two months support in a year, and it is accepted by the judge.

The system here stinks!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently FL has "being a deadbeat is ok" down pat.
Just seeing all the excuses made for Crystal, being one right here, shows why so many think it's ok. :banghead:

 

[Chablis]

Apparently FL has "being a deadbeat is ok" down pat.
Just seeing all the excuses made for Crystal, being one right here, shows why so many think it's ok. :banghead:

What freaks me out is people thinking its ok to give your child your last name and middle name but if there is no court order some condone thinking that child needs no support, but thats how the world turns I guess. Karma got Ron and Crystal has her child with Ron with no support for 15 years,so that should make a select few happy. JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

Apparently FL has "being a deadbeat is ok" down pat.
Just seeing all the excuses made for Crystal, being one right here, shows why so many think it's ok. :banghead:

I keep meaning to look it up, I know her Dad went to jail for non payment, so it can't be that it is ok, maybe someone has to complain for them to get things started? I really don't know right now, will have to do some research. I actually felt bad for Marty, can't imagine really, goes to show you never know who a father is without DNA imo. JMO

 

[Kimster]

Soooooooooooo....do we know what the laws are in Florida regarding child support from those in jail? I'm guessing the minimum required amount will accumulate. BUT, if the custodial parent doesn't file for it by the time the child is 18 years old, I don't think the noncustodial parent has to pay. That's how it is in Oregon, anyway. In fact, I know someone who filed and they didn't find the father for ten years and the child turned 18 and they couldn't collect. It didn't seem fair to me, IMO. If you are a parent, you should have to pay regardless. :dunno:

And I would think that any outstanding CS that Crystal owed at the time she got custody will still be due. Maybe they deduct it from what Ron would now be obligated to pay?

 

[Flossie JMO]

Soooooooooooo....do we know what the laws are in Florida regarding child support from those in jail? I'm guessing the minimum required amount will accumulate. BUT, if the custodial parent doesn't file for it by the time the child is 18 years old, I don't think the noncustodial parent has to pay. That's how it is in Oregon, anyway. In fact, I know someone who filed and they didn't find the father for ten years and the child turned 18 and they couldn't collect. It didn't seem fair to me, IMO. If you are a parent, you should have to pay regardless. :dunno:

And I would think that any outstanding CS that Crystal owed at the time she got custody will still be due. Maybe they deduct it from what Ron would now be obligated to pay?

I'm not really sure Kimster.

I recall Crystal's 12 thousand-ish ovedue support was paid by a kind stranger, but what may have accumulated after that date, I do not know what that amount might be. I recall Crystal had HaLeigh's support suspended or put on hold, whatever the correct ng, once HaLeigh went missing. I can't recall if she tried,or was successful,with doing that with her support obligations for Junior as well. Would have to go back a while and find out.

Also not sure what means are used when court orders are ignored for brief/long periods of time, toss in jail, take away driver's license, etc, various methods are used in various parts of the world IME. I really don't know. I also don't recall reading that Ronald was ordered to pay support to Crystal, mind you it's been awhile so I may have forgotten, would have to check the court records

 

[Kimster]

I'm not really sure Kimster.

I recall Crystal's 12 thousand-ish ovedue support was paid by a kind stranger, but what may have accumulated after that date, I do not know what that amount might be. I recall Crystal had HaLeigh's support suspended or put on hold, whatever the correct ng, once HaLeigh went missing. I can't recall if she tried,or was successful,with doing that with her support obligations for Junior as well. Would have to go back a while and find out.

Also not sure what means are used when court orders are ignored for brief/long periods of time, toss in jail, take away driver's license, etc, various methods are used in various parts of the world IME. I really don't know

I'll bet if someone wanted to sleuth around, they could find it. Seems like EVERYTHING is on the internet for Florida! :crazy:

 

[Flossie JMO]

Soooooooooooo....do we know what the laws are in Florida regarding child support from those in jail? I'm guessing the minimum required amount will accumulate. BUT, if the custodial parent doesn't file for it by the time the child is 18 years old, I don't think the noncustodial parent has to pay. That's how it is in Oregon, anyway. In fact, I know someone who filed and they didn't find the father for ten years and the child turned 18 and they couldn't collect. It didn't seem fair to me, IMO. If you are a parent, you should have to pay regardless. :dunno:

And I would think that any outstanding CS that Crystal owed at the time she got custody will still be due. Maybe they deduct it from what Ron would now be obligated to pay?

Off topic, I have found the strangest things, where "fathers" were later found to actually not be the true fathers, and were ordered to continue support regardless. Bizarre and mind boggling this is allowed. Sorry for the OT

 

[GER]

Apparently FL has "being a deadbeat is ok" down pat.
Just seeing all the excuses made for Crystal, being one right here, shows why so many think it's ok. :banghead:

I just have to ask, have you met and talked to either of HaLeigh's parents? Either one?

I can tell you this much, as sad as it is, the loss of a child, HaLeigh, Crystal grew up. A lot. She's a young parent and as such doesn't have the experience, but that will come. What experience she does have that so many of us don't have, THANK GOODNESS, is the loss of a child.

It upsets me to see her be 'trashed' as I see it... 2 years have gone by and not a one of us are so privy to what that poor young woman has gone thru, the guilt, the anguish, the denial, the pain of everyday.... Are we so perfect that we can so easily put into words of such ugliness? Really?

Parenting skills don't come naturally, people... they're acquired. ...many times thru mistakes made, hopefully for the most part, those mistakes aren't as serious as one having a child missing...

Remember, the written word, either expressed as YOUR OPINION or what not, it can be downright hurtful... please remember that.

Now what I really came on this thread to do was to update on what I found today.... almost skeered the bejeebus outta me... LOLOLOL

I went to the San Mateo Discount Beverage... you know the place where RC/MC were busted...
ANYWAY... as I was leaving the store, I saw a TV set up with at least 6 little screens on the one tv... Yep they were surveillance cameras... and I stood and watched each screen and while there were 4 of them inside the store itself, there were TWO that was in the parking lot of the store... AND while I was watching, I could see 3 cars travel by on Hwy. 17! Amazing I tell ya!
I asked the store owner when he put that up and he said just last month, he'd been fearful of being robbed in this economy and also for stopping and or identifying drug dealers and panhandlers... Makes sense to me. Just surprised that Putnam County is coming up in the world...and it's because of a bad economy! :sigh:

 

[dodie20]

Soooooooooooo....do we know what the laws are in Florida regarding child support from those in jail? I'm guessing the minimum required amount will accumulate. BUT, if the custodial parent doesn't file for it by the time the child is 18 years old, I don't think the noncustodial parent has to pay. That's how it is in Oregon, anyway. In fact, I know someone who filed and they didn't find the father for ten years and the child turned 18 and they couldn't collect. It didn't seem fair to me, IMO. If you are a parent, you should have to pay regardless. :dunno:

And I would think that any outstanding CS that Crystal owed at the time she got custody will still be due. Maybe they deduct it from what Ron would now be obligated to pay?

I kind of understand the logic behind no support if the other parent doesn't file, but if the parent isn't rich, she's probably getting government checks. The incarcerated parent should have those fees tacked on to his fines. The other day, I listened to a tape between Tommy and his brother, and the brother said that LC wasn't going after child support...in other words, she wasn't going to do Tommy dirty. I'm sorry, but I don't think she should have a say in the matter...especially if she's expecting the government to pick up the tab. JMO, but this system incourages the custodial parent to get on welfare, so she can do the man a favor. I know Tommy isn't able to make money right now, but what if he gets out and gets rich off of a book deal? No, I don't think that's likely, but it is a possibility. JMO.

 

[Kimster]

I kind of understand the logic behind no support if the other parent doesn't file, but if the parent isn't rich, she's probably getting government checks. The incarcerated parent should have those fees tacked on to his fines. The other day, I listened to a tape between Tommy and his brother, and the brother said that LC wasn't going after child support...in other words, she wasn't going to do Tommy dirty. I'm sorry, but I don't think she should have a say in the matter...especially if she's expecting the government to pick up the tab. JMO, but this system incourages the custodial parent to get on welfare, so she can do the man a favor. I know Tommy isn't able to make money right now, but what if he gets out and gets rich off of a book deal? No, I don't think that's likely, but it is a possibility. JMO.

If LC collects welfare, the county will file the child support themselves. Don't worry about that!

 

[Whisperer]

The last time I checked Crystal had not filed for child support. I used to just crank on this all the time. I thought there was an attorney guiding her. IF she didn't file, this will be the SECOND biggest mistake in her life.

I imagine rc is courting her from inside...pure speculation on my part. If she falls for it, and brings the child to see him, he will have parental rights when he exits. He will most likely play her like a violin and tell her it is no use to file while he is locked up. WRONG! She needs to do this...I know...I am preaching to the choir.

 

[JSV]

I just have to ask, have you met and talked to either of HaLeigh's parents? Either one?

I can tell you this much, as sad as it is, the loss of a child, HaLeigh, Crystal grew up. A lot. She's a young parent and as such doesn't have the experience, but that will come. What experience she does have that so many of us don't have, THANK GOODNESS, is the loss of a child.

It upsets me to see her be 'trashed' as I see it... 2 years have gone by and not a one of us are so privy to what that poor young woman has gone thru, the guilt, the anguish, the denial, the pain of everyday.... Are we so perfect that we can so easily put into words of such ugliness? Really?

Parenting skills don't come naturally, people... they're acquired. ...many times thru mistakes made, hopefully for the most part, those mistakes aren't as serious as one having a child missing...

Remember, the written word, either expressed as YOUR OPINION or what not, it can be downright hurtful... please remember that.

Now what I really came on this thread to do was to update on what I found today.... almost skeered the bejeebus outta me... LOLOLOL

I went to the San Mateo Discount Beverage... you know the place where RC/MC were busted...
ANYWAY... as I was leaving the store, I saw a TV set up with at least 6 little screens on the one tv... Yep they were surveillance cameras... and I stood and watched each screen and while there were 4 of them inside the store itself, there were TWO that was in the parking lot of the store... AND while I was watching, I could see 3 cars travel by on Hwy. 17! Amazing I tell ya!
I asked the store owner when he put that up and he said just last month, he'd been fearful of being robbed in this economy and also for stopping and or identifying drug dealers and panhandlers... Makes sense to me. Just surprised that Putnam County is coming up in the world...and it's because of a bad economy! :sigh:

GER ... Great Post .