General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[lil momma]

I'm not really sure Kimster.

I recall Crystal's 12 thousand-ish ovedue support was paid by a kind stranger, but what may have accumulated after that date, I do not know what that amount might be. I recall Crystal had HaLeigh's support suspended or put on hold, whatever the correct ng, once HaLeigh went missing. I can't recall if she tried,or was successful,with doing that with her support obligations for Junior as well. Would have to go back a while and find out.

Also not sure what means are used when court orders are ignored for brief/long periods of time, toss in jail, take away driver's license, etc, various methods are used in various parts of the world IME. I really don't know. I also don't recall reading that Ronald was ordered to pay support to Crystal, mind you it's been awhile so I may have forgotten, would have to check the court records

BBM

I can tell you some of the enforcement actions taken, for those not in jail. I am not sure of the procedure when the non custodial parent is incarerated. they send out deliquent letters, then they will suspend your d/l, report the deliquentcy to the credit bureau, block your passport (if you have one, and if you don't they make it so you can't get one) issue a writ of bodily attachment, which is a warrant, but not a pikc up warrant. (You basically have to be caught doing something else, when they run your name they see the writ and take you in on that.) that is the basics.

all of the above takes SEVERAL years to happen. Action doesn't really happen until you missed several payments.

The biggest problem is when all enforcement actions are exhausted, there is nothing more the state of FL can do for the custodial parent. and if the non custodial parent leaves the state, the writ isn't enforcable in any other state than FL, and half the other states won't take the case on, so you get stuck!

that is the gist of it. hope it helps some

 

[Chablis]

By the same token Crystal 'shouldn't be trashed' for her mistakes why is it ok for Ron to be?

So trashing Crystal because people are pointing the finger at the custodial parent who cut off interviews with investigators and married the key and later ended up in prison for drugs is ok? Sounds pretty abusive to me. jmo

 

[Flossie JMO]

BBM

I can tell you some of the enforcement actions taken, for those not in jail. I am not sure of the procedure when the non custodial parent is incarerated. they send out deliquent letters, then they will suspend your d/l, report the deliquentcy to the credit bureau, block your passport (if you have one, and if you don't they make it so you can't get one) issue a writ of bodily attachment, which is a warrant, but not a pikc up warrant. (You basically have to be caught doing something else, when they run your name they see the writ and take you in on that.) that is the basics.

all of the above takes SEVERAL years to happen. Action doesn't really happen until you missed several payments.

The biggest problem is when all enforcement actions are exhausted, there is nothing more the state of FL can do for the custodial parent. and if the non custodial parent leaves the state, the writ isn't enforcable in any other state than FL, and half the other states won't take the case on, so you get stuck!

that is the gist of it. hope it helps some

Thank you, that is helpful! I was wondering how all of that works.

bbm, I wonder what the delay was, the court order was made in December 2005 of $323/MTH and no direct payments were made iirc, and the notice from the court didn't come until days before HaLeigh went missing more than 3 years later. The timing imo is what some find interesting. All very confusing JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

BBM

I can tell you some of the enforcement actions taken, for those not in jail. I am not sure of the procedure when the non custodial parent is incarerated. they send out deliquent letters, then they will suspend your d/l, report the deliquentcy to the credit bureau, block your passport (if you have one, and if you don't they make it so you can't get one) issue a writ of bodily attachment, which is a warrant, but not a pikc up warrant. (You basically have to be caught doing something else, when they run your name they see the writ and take you in on that.) that is the basics.

all of the above takes SEVERAL years to happen. Action doesn't really happen until you missed several payments.

The biggest problem is when all enforcement actions are exhausted, there is nothing more the state of FL can do for the custodial parent. and if the non custodial parent leaves the state, the writ isn't enforcable in any other state than FL, and half the other states won't take the case on, so you get stuck!

that is the gist of it. hope it helps some

Oh I went back to check re Crystal's Dad Marty. leaving out some stuff to save space

07/25/1995 >TO PAY SUM OF $136.00 PER WEEK PLUS $5.25 FEE

12/16/1997 032.ORDER ENFORCING SUPPORT AND MONITORING

03/30/1998 >SHERIFF TO ARREST MAY PURGE BY PAYING SUM OF
03/30/1998 >$10,205.86 PLUS $32.00 SHERIFF'S COSTS WRIT RT


07/13/1998 034.ARREST REPORT JOHNNY MARCUS SHEFFIELD ARRESTED
07/13/1998 >ON WRIT OF ATTACHMENT DATED 03-30-98

07/16/1998 035.ORDER TO RELEASE FROM INCARCERATION 07-15-98

12/16/1998 036.GENETIC PROFILES CORPORATION - JOHNNY M
12/16/1998 >SHEFFIELD EXLUDED AS FATHER OF WILLIAM A
12/16/1998 >SHEFFIELD


03/10/1999 >785 PG 941 IN RE: FORMER HUSBAND TO HAVE
03/10/1999 >CREDIT IN SUM OF $8,447.86


Just posting as the amount was less and it was around the same amount of time, and he was jailed. I haven't checked to see if he had many any payments. Just interesting JMO

sorry edited to add link: http://www.putnam-fl.com/clerks_web_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php if you put in Sheffield% and for time frame to narrow it right down I put Jan 1 1994 to Jan.1 1996 iirc and you can choose dissolution dm-FD05

 

[lil momma]

Thank you, that is helpful! I was wondering how all of that works.

bbm, I wonder what the delay was, the court order was made in December 2005 of $323/MTH and no direct payments were made iirc, and the notice from the court didn't come until days before HaLeigh went missing more than 3 years later. The timing imo is what some find interesting. All very confusing JMO

BBM

Me too!

That was the point i was trying to bring out. it takes a lot of time. It isn't like a credit card, you miss a payment they cut you off, it goes on for a long time before they catch it. and most of the time it is far too late, b/c the other parent has either moved out of state or County. I also know that FL was trying to do away with County support. Basically everything is run by the state. Meaning if you can't collect, you go to the county and apply for welfare and they will go after the other parent. Broward (where i live) has stopped that, you have to apply through the state. The systems here in FL are so broken, it isn't even funny~! JMO

 

[GER]

Wrong thread/wrong post sorry

 

[Whisperer]

When you think you have heard it all when it comes to ron cummings, take a look at the course he just completed while he was away.

MADDADS: Men Against Destruction Defending Against Drugs and Social Disorder.

http://maddads.com/national/about-us/

I need some drugs about now and feel like blowing up the Florida Prison System.
:drink:

 

[stilettos]

When you think you have heard it all when it comes to ron cummings, take a look at the course he just completed while he was away.

MADDADS: Men Against Destruction Defending Against Drugs and Social Disorder.

http://maddads.com/national/about-us/

I need some drugs about now and feel like blowing up the Florida Prison System.
:drink:

Oh my dear Lord Jesus..Imma 'bout to throw my bible and commence to cussin'. :maddening:

 

[lonetraveler]

Wow! Just Wow!

 

[Chablis]

Yeah, but the main issue and focus for some is non payment of child support to a druggie with a rap sheet a mile long. jmo

 

[mkay882]

My issue is the non payment, of court ordered support, for her child.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO...I don't know what Crystal was ordered to pay monthly, but I suspect Ron C (when working) was making more money than Crystal was so IMHO... Half or even more of any support monies he was supposed to have received for Haleigh and Jr. should have immediately been given to his son J<modsnip>..JMHO

 

[4Jacy]

IMO...I don't know what Crystal was ordered to pay monthly, but I suspect Ron C (when working) was making more money than Crystal was so IMHO... Half or even more of any support monies he was supposed to have received for Haleigh and Jr. should have immediately been given to his son J<modsnip>...JMHO

I don't think that could have happened Em. Amber wouldn't even put RC's name on J<modsnip>'s birth certificate. She wanted nothing to do with him. Wonder why?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't think that could have happened Em. Amber wouldn't even put RC's name on J<modsnip>'s birth certificate. She wanted nothing to do with him. Wonder why?

There is no proof J<modsnip> is his child. I also am not sure what benefits she would get as a single mom father unknown versus benefits she would get with a known father.

 

[dodie20]

I don't think that could have happened Em. Amber wouldn't even put RC's name on J<modsnip>'s birth certificate. She wanted nothing to do with him. Wonder why?

I'm a little confused by this. I've read that Misty babysat for A, and that's one of the ways, she met Ron. After Misty and Ron got together, Misty supposedly wrote the myspace message about getting her man, etc...So, it seems that after the baby was born, Ron and A had some kind of relationship...which doesn't really jibe with the birth certificate omission...because it doesn't seem that she cut off ties with him until after Misty got with him. JMO

 

[Chablis]

There is no proof <modsnip> is his child. I also am not sure what benefits she would get as a single mom father unknown versus benefits she would get with a known father.

The PROOF is the child has his LAST NAME. And not to mention the child looks just like Ron Jr. But the child is a Cummings. Has anyone seen the BC to say he didn't sign it?

 

[dodie20]

The PROOF is the child has his LAST NAME. And not to mention the child looks just like Ron Jr. But the child is a Cummings. Has anyone seen the BC to say he didn't sign it?

After they were all jailed, a couple of area newspapers did anniversary articles, where different family members were inrerviewed. Anyway, I don't remember which paper stated it, but it was said that Ron was the father of AB's child. I never saw a correction and never heard of anybody disputing it... and I kept my ears open, because I found it interesting, though it doesn't seem to have much to do with this case. The article was trying to lay some background information, on how all of these people became connected.

 

[Flossie JMO]

After they were all jailed, a couple of area newspapers did anniversary articles, where different family members were inrerviewed. Anyway, I don't remember which paper stated it, but it was said that Ron was the father of AB's child. I never saw a correction and never heard of anybody disputing it... and I kept my ears open, because I found it interesting, though it doesn't seem to have much to do with this case. The article was trying to lay some background information, on how all of these people became connected.

I don't recall that, if you can find a link, please post. AFAIK we aren't supposed to name minors, or sleuth them? DNA tests would be proof imo, which has not been done afaik. Case in point earlier where I posted up thread. fwiw I think parentage of a few children could be questioned, however, not something to sleuth IMO. JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think that could have happened Em. Amber wouldn't even put RC's name on Jordan's birth certificate. She wanted nothing to do with him. Wonder why?

i didn't claim there was any order signed by the courts for Amber to receive any support from Ron C for their child, I'm saying he should have contributed to his son's support..

Some are claiming there is no proof Amber's son is Ron C's child but I heard Ron C , himself, state there was a possibility he did have three children.. IMHO he should have taken steps to prove whether or not he was the child's father IF he thinks he isn't his father......IF he thinks he is the father, he should have been supporting his child...

IIRC.. Misty was under the impression Amber's child belong to Ron C and didn't Ron C remove the infant son from his grandmother's at one time and return the child the next day?

I'm thinking a child with special needs was just too much responsibility for Ron to handle or hand off to one of his relatives to take care of like he did with his other two children....And we all know Ron C doesn't do..... R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-L-E

ETA..I haven't heard Ron C or anyone in his family deny the child is Ron C's child..However a DNA test will resolve the issue and IMHO he should be made to take one......JMHO

 

[Chablis]

I don't recall that, if you can find a link, please post. AFAIK we aren't supposed to name minors, or sleuth them? DNA tests would be proof imo, which has not been done afaik. Case in point earlier where I posted up thread. fwiw I think parentage of a few children could be questioned, however, not something to sleuth IMO. JMO

Its not sleuthing when its a known fact Ronald had a son with Amber named J<modsnip>, he exists. Is it possible to give your child another last name other than yours if the father does not sign? Its a shame that some can tear apart Crystal and her family over child support, but evidence that shows Ron is the same way needs to be hushed, that should bother alot of people. Why all the suppression and courtesy should be extended to the father of a missing child that cut off interviews with investigators and married the key who is now in prison is a travesty in finding out the truth in what happened to Haleigh.

jmo