General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Whisperer]

I have good reason to believe that rc calls people constantly and his lovers even more. He used to call Crystal x20 daily. He must be a real pain in the azz when it comes to phones. The fact that he called tommy that night is significant.

I believe misty and rc went different ways the day he started night shift....about x2 weeks prior. misty most likely threw a fit about being alone at night. We have many reasons to believe this is true. Haleigh missed days of school and we heard from KP about rc resorting to taking the kids to work and they slept in the car. This was verified by the security guard @ PDM.

IMO, rc was searching for misty that night. He may have left the children alone. That is why AS went there...as teresa didn't live nearby. TN sent her mother over, most likely because RC was calling her about the kids.misty was there or not depends on your theory.

 

[Whisperer]

I think rc did p/u Haleigh at the bus stop. Chelsea saw him but she never confirmed she saw misty. She just assumed misty was hiding in the car. I still think he left them alone, locked the doors and headed to work. What happened between those hours is anyone's guess.

It was of great benefit for TN and AS to speak highly of misty...the alternative would not be good for rc. I wonder if she agreed to lie for him as far as being at the MH from the time of the bus stop.

 

[dodie20]

I think rc did p/u Haleigh at the bus stop. Chelsea saw him but she never confirmed she saw misty. She just assumed misty was hiding in the car. I still think he left them alone, locked the doors and headed to work. What happened between those hours is anyone's guess.

It was of great benefit for TN and AS to speak highly of misty...the alternative would not be good for rc. I wonder if she agreed to lie for him as far as being at the MH from the time of the bus stop.

I've been doing some thinking, and this is the theory, that makes the most sense, IMO. A couple of days ago, I was thinking about Ron calling Tommy and the different versions they gave of why, and how Ron went through his lawyer to get his point across. I really think he might have known those kids were alone, at least part of the night. IMO, he made a huge effort to distance himself from sending Tommy to the trailer. I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to be associated with whatever happened next, either. During the 911, I very clearly heard Misty ask Ron if he had locked the door...after she was told by the operator to check it. For some reason, that question didn't sound scripted, IMO, and it points to her being gone. But on the other hand, we had CS, on the Geraldo show, saying that Jr said Misty was there and asleep. Oh, what a tangled web...JMO.

 

[dodie20]

I think rc did p/u Haleigh at the bus stop. Chelsea saw him but she never confirmed she saw misty. She just assumed misty was hiding in the car. I still think he left them alone, locked the doors and headed to work. What happened between those hours is anyone's guess.

It was of great benefit for TN and AS to speak highly of misty...the alternative would not be good for rc. I wonder if she agreed to lie for him as far as being at the MH from the time of the bus stop.

I still believe the witnesses that claim Misty picked her up. The detail of Misty smacking a little boy across the face, rings true...much truer than Ron letting Haleigh drive, IMO.

 

[Whisperer]

I remember seeing a list of questions that Misty was asked, and her different levels of deception. The only question that she didn't fail with a high 90%, dealt with Haleigh's location. I'm not sure, but I think this was the poly arranged by Tim Miller. I don't understand any of the LDTs and don't know why more straight forward and specific questions weren't asked. I remember one of the questions asking whether she had held back information. Well, duhh, that question was a waste of time. Why not ask, 'did you kill Haleigh'? maybe that line of questioning isn't allowed? JMO.

IIRC, they only released a very small portion of the test and the results.

 

[Whisperer]

I always wondered why rc placed himself and Haleigh in the car from the bus stop, specifically on his lap. My cynicism led me down the path of an alibi for why Haleigh's DNA or evidence would be on his work clothes.

 

[Whisperer]

I think rc got to work around 7:00pm..He, himself, stated he worked eight hours...which was probably a lie. If he worked overtime, he would be screaming it from the rooftops. Instead he is as quiet as a mouse when it comes to the timeclock at PDM.

I also imagine he was one pizzad off man-cub. I have never heard what rc was like when drinking but I know he was drinking when he cut the head off the rat as he stated he and misty were both partying together.

I don't think misty and ron were a couple on Feb 9, 2009 but they sure did try to pull that one off, even going as far as marrying.

One big hole in the case is AS explaining the visit. Who was with her? a babysitter? I remember the day I heard her say "We" and jumped out of my seat. The thing that bothers me is all the people who had kissed Haleigh and said "Goodbye" to her that particular day. For some reason, I always thought it was a final "Goodbye"..not a temporary one.

 

[dodie20]

IIRC, they only released a very small portion of the test and the results.

This is just an opinion, and I have nothing to back it up, except deduction, but I think at some point, Misty was asked some of those hard hitting questions, and her answers pointed to her not being the murderer. Surely, if she was the murderer, LE could have gotten a confession out of her...especially in the early days, before she lawyered up. But they've been very clear in not labeling her a POI or suspect...just 'the key'. I'm not one to think LE has been necessarily toying with these people, or setting traps, or trying to give false senses of security...at least I hope not, because it's a little late in the game for that. No, right now, (but I may change my mind tomorrow), I think LE wants Misty, 'the key', to tell what she knows, so they will have some verification to what they already know.

 

[Whisperer]

I think they want to find the blanket or container, if used. Not one of these felons can be trusted to tell the truth. misty knows what happened, imo. I would call her a POI, for sure. Frankly, I am sick of the word games that LE uses. I know they have to be careful because of defense attorneys, but.....

If tommy was truthful about Shell Harbor, they should have found something unless she was naked and not wrapped in anything....BUT I think they covered her with the blanket and place in a bag.

I am sick of the way perps are getting away w/murder. If you hide a body really well or get lucky and you have a Defense Attorney, you walk. There should be laws for our children. This carp shouldn't fly. I don't believe it is fair that Def. A. can protect the perp and not tell where the child is. This has gone beyond what one would consider moral.

 

[4Jacy]

I always wondered why rc placed himself and Haleigh in the car from the bus stop, specifically on his lap. My cynicism led me down the path of an alibi for why Haleigh's DNA or evidence would be on his work clothes.

If you go with that theory Whisp, it means it was premeditated. Why would he plan to kill his "heart."

I have been away from here because I got 3 ft. of flood water in my house (no basement) and I've been a little busy. Missed you guys ~..~

 

[Chablis]

Why would he plan? Because if she missed anymore school he would probably go to jail, she was becoming a liabilty. Maybe he killed her to make Misty sympathetic towards him after she dared go out and have sex with someone else,who knows what Ron was going through, I am willing to bet this was the first time a female went out on him and dared defy him. I bet he had always thought about it and had a dang good hiding spot already picked out. Mistys defiance was the straw that broke the camels back, imo.

 

[dodie20]

If you go with that theory Whisp, it means it was premeditated. Why would he plan to kill his "heart."

I have been away from here because I got 3 ft. of flood water in my house (no basement) and I've been a little busy. Missed you guys ~..~

You've been battling floods, and here in east Texas, we've been dealing with wildfires. Crazy. I pray some of the smoke clears today. Back on topic...I've never been able to let go of the idea that this might have been premeditated. If Misty was the perp, I don't really see it, because I think it was more likely a case of abuse, but I can think of some pretty convincing motives for the others. Also, there seem to have been so much drug use going on, nobody was in their right minds. Sometimes, I think drugs were at the root of this, but other times, I think maybe drugs were taken to build up the nerve to commit murder. JMO.

 

[Emeralgem]

Why would he plan? Because if she missed anymore school he would probably go to jail, she was becoming a liabilty. Maybe he killed her to make Misty sympathetic towards him after she dared go out and have sex with someone else,who knows what Ron was going through, I am willing to bet this was the first time a female went out on him and dared defy him. I bet he had always thought about it and had a dang good hiding spot already picked out. Mistys defiance was the straw that broke the camels back, imo.

IMO..And as I see it Ron's reactions to Misty actions is WHY Haleigh is deceased.. I suspect Ron C and his family firmly believe Haleigh would be alive IF Misty had not done what she did....TRUTH be known I suspect they even convinced Misty the incident occurred due to her actions....
Ron C is definitely NOT one of my favorite people, however I do not believe he planned to kill Haleigh... IMO Haleigh is deceased because of Ron C's out of control angry behavior..
As I see it when a person can't take responsibility for their actions in the midst of a horrific accident and their ONLY objective is to set up someone else to take the fall in order to save their own rear end, we are dealing with someone who is totally lacking when it comes to possessing any signs of having a moral conscience......JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

You've been battling floods, and here in east Texas, we've been dealing with wildfires. Crazy. I pray some of the smoke clears today. Back on topic...I've never been able to let go of the idea that this might have been premeditated. If Misty was the perp, I don't really see it, because I think it was more likely a case of abuse, but I can think of some pretty convincing motives for the others. Also, there seem to have been so much drug use going on, nobody was in their right minds. Sometimes, I think drugs were at the root of this, but other times, I think maybe drugs were taken to build up the nerve to commit murder. JMO.

O/T . We're battling floods too plus down trees and power lines everywhere...
Hopefully, you get some rain to combat the horrific wildfires y'all are experiencing..

 

[Chablis]

IMO..And as I see it Ron's reactions to Misty actions is WHY Haleigh is deceased.. I suspect Ron C and his family firmly believe Haleigh would be alive IF Misty had not done what she did....TRUTH be known I suspect they even convinced Misty the incident occurred due to her actions....
Ron C is definitely NOT one of my favorite people, however I do not believe he planned to kill Haleigh... IMO Haleigh is deceased because of Ron C's out of control angry behavior..
As I see it when a person can't take responsibility for their actions in the midst of a horrific accident and their ONLY objective is to set up someone else to take the fall in order to save their own rear end, we are dealing with someone who is totally lacking when it comes to possessing any signs of having a moral conscience......JMHO

Well, I cant find any good in anyone who steals children from their mother out of spite and ignorance. I have no doubts he had been preparing for this role one way or another and had such a good hiding spot she has never been found. There is something mentally wrong with him on so many levels and I can totally see him thinking killing Haleigh would make Misty not leave like she did the day before all this. He was desperate and a drug addict and I hope like heck those kids did not see him in that State manic over Misty, but I am sure they did and probably saw lots of manic Ron moments.
jmo

 

[4Jacy]

You've been battling floods, and here in east Texas, we've been dealing with wildfires. Crazy. I pray some of the smoke clears today. Back on topic...I've never been able to let go of the idea that this might have been premeditated. If Misty was the perp, I don't really see it, because I think it was more likely a case of abuse, but I can think of some pretty convincing motives for the others. Also, there seem to have been so much drug use going on, nobody was in their right minds. Sometimes, I think drugs were at the root of this, but other times, I think maybe drugs were taken to build up the nerve to commit murder. JMO.

BBM
God be with you in Texas, dodie. I'd rather have floods then fire!!

I'm with you on the bolded part. A few peope stated upstream stated that if RC had picked up Haleigh that day, that he did something to her. Why? She was his heart. And he had be alone with Haleigh many, many times before this. Doesn't make sense.

 

[lonetraveler]

If you go with that theory Whisp, it means it was premeditated. Why would he plan to kill his "heart."

I have been away from here because I got 3 ft. of flood water in my house (no basement) and I've been a little busy. Missed you guys ~..~

OMG 4Jacy, I'm so sorry about your horrible mess you now have on your hands. You have been more than a little busy.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, I cant find any good in anyone who steals children from their mother out of spite and ignorance. I have no doubts he had been preparing for this role one way or another and had such a good hiding spot she has never been found. There is something mentally wrong with him on so many levels and I can totally see him thinking killing Haleigh would make Misty not leave like she did the day before all this. He was desperate and a drug addict and I hope like heck those kids did not see him in that State manic over Misty, but I am sure they did and probably saw lots of manic Ron moments.
jmo

I totally agree with you Chablis. IMO, Ron was totally .........whipped when it came to Misty. Since Haleigh has been described as a "Handful", Ron probably blamed Haleigh for Misty leaving him. He was also about to be in real trouble with the school for all of Haleigh's absences. I can see where the more he looked for Misty and begged her to come back that the angrier he got and by the time that Haleigh got out of school that day, he was a raving maniac. I've always suspicioned that the cuts and blood on his hand were from Haleigh's teeth when he backhanded her across the face. Of course in the "clean up and coverup" planning, he had to hit the back door with his fist in order to coverup the injury. Hitting a door with your fist does not make that type of injury, but hey..............it apparently worked for LE's need for explanation. I feel that Misty was made to feel like it was all her fault that Haleigh was dead. I can almost hear it now: "Misty! Look what you made me do! It is all your fault!".

 

[dodie20]

Why would he plan? Because if she missed anymore school he would probably go to jail, she was becoming a liabilty. Maybe he killed her to make Misty sympathetic towards him after she dared go out and have sex with someone else,who knows what Ron was going through, I am willing to bet this was the first time a female went out on him and dared defy him. I bet he had always thought about it and had a dang good hiding spot already picked out. Mistys defiance was the straw that broke the camels back, imo.

The school attendance issue has always bugged me...#1, because that kind of trouble might raise a panic, in someone concerned with custody, and #2. because CS thought it was significant enough to bring up. A couple of years ago, we had to go to court over my 2nd grade dd's tardies. My husband, (a laid back chill, kind of guy), got into a heated argument with the principal, and basically said he'd go to jail before he paid a fine. I put the 'defense' together, and the judge dropped the charge because of extenuating circumsatances. Texas may have different laws, but jail is not an issue, until later...if fines aren't paid, and maybe to habitual offenders, etc... Have we ever heard if this was Ron's 1st problem with attendance?

 

[Chablis]

Have we ever heard if this was Ron's 1st problem with attendance?

I am not sure, if I had to guess I would say no.

Also there was an up and coming court date coming up about support and I bet Crystal was going to voice her concerns about Haleighs school, the bruises on her, etc. He was getting desperate, imo. Combine all that with his teen gal problems on top of mental and drug issues and its a ticking time bomb. All Haleigh did was probably ask Ron where Misty was when he picked her up, that probably was not normal for her.

Something happened in his car, imo.