General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[titanfan62702]

I am not sure, if I had to guess I would say no.

Also there was an up and coming court date coming up about support and I bet Crystal was going to voice her concerns about Haleighs school, the bruises on her, etc. He was getting desperate, imo. Combine all that with his teen gal problems on top of mental and drug issues and its a ticking time bomb. All Haleigh did was probably ask Ron where Misty was when he picked her up, that probably was not normal for her.

Something happened in his car, imo.

So many red flags.. so few answers.

 

[Flossie JMO]

The school attendance issue has always bugged me...#1, because that kind of trouble might raise a panic, in someone concerned with custody, and #2. because CS thought it was significant enough to bring up. A couple of years ago, we had to go to court over my 2nd grade dd's tardies. My husband, (a laid back chill, kind of guy), got into a heated argument with the principal, and basically said he'd go to jail before he paid a fine. I put the 'defense' together, and the judge dropped the charge because of extenuating circumsatances. Texas may have different laws, but jail is not an issue, until later...if fines aren't paid, and maybe to habitual offenders, etc... Have we ever heard if this was Ron's 1st problem with attendance?

JMO bbm that doesn't bother me that much, on the other hand, Crystal, like her Dad, could have been jailed for non payment of support. Much more heated issue JMO. Kind of surprised she wasn't really JMO. Do you know what the fine/punishment re attendance is in PCSO? JMO it was not an issue from Ronald. Just curious, if someone can post the consequences please, thanks

 

[4Jacy]

I totally agree with you Chablis. IMO, Ron was totally .........whipped when it came to Misty. Since Haleigh has been described as a "Handful", Ron probably blamed Haleigh for Misty leaving him. He was also about to be in real trouble with the school for all of Haleigh's absences. I can see where the more he looked for Misty and begged her to come back that the angrier he got and by the time that Haleigh got out of school that day, he was a raving maniac. I've always suspicioned that the cuts and blood on his hand were from Haleigh's teeth when he backhanded her across the face. Of course in the "clean up and coverup" planning, he had to hit the back door with his fist in order to coverup the injury. Hitting a door with your fist does not make that type of injury, but hey..............it apparently worked for LE's need for explanation. I feel that Misty was made to feel like it was all her fault that Haleigh was dead. I can almost hear it now: "Misty! Look what you made me do! It is all your fault!".

All I can say lone, is OMG! I had never, ever thought of it that way. I had thought perhaps, a fight between RC/MC with little Haleigh getting in the middle, but I never thought RC would ever ACTUALLY KILL HIS DAUGHTER ON PURPOSE. God help us all!!

 

[bessie]

I still believe the witnesses that claim Misty picked her up. The detail of Misty smacking a little boy across the face, rings true...much truer than Ron letting Haleigh drive, IMO.

It rings true to me, too, Dodie. And if the poor kid was getting on her nerves at 3:00, what was she like by, say 8:00, after several hours of watching two children?

4Jacy, I'm so sorry to hear about your flooded house. Been there, done that, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. :blowkiss:

 

[Emeralgem]

It rings true to me, too, Dodie. And if the poor kid was getting on her nerves at 3:00, what was she like by, say 8:00, after several hours of watching two children?4Jacy, I'm so sorry to hear about your flooded house. Been there, done that, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. :blowkiss:

According to GGMS when she dropped off the clothes at 202 Green Lane and gave them to Misty to take inside the MH, Misty was just fine...Children were happy, alive and well, eating the dinner Misty had prepared for them...JMHO

According to CC, Misty and Ron's big fight at 8:30 pm that night before Misty turned her phone off was over what to do with Haleigh's body..

IIRC. At one time, GGMS claimed she was at the MH close to 8:00 pm that night..Wonder IF it was GGMS who hurt Haleigh accidentally since we NOW know GGMS was mad that Ron C had let Misty come back...Could there have been an altercation between GGMS and Misty and Haleigh got caught up in the middle.. We have all heard GGMS say she would throw Misty through a window if need be... JMHO...

 

[4Jacy]

According to GGMS when she dropped off the clothes at 202 Green Lane and gave them to Misty to take inside the MH, Misty was just fine...Children were happy, alive and well, eating the dinner Misty had prepared for them...JMHO

BBM

That's the problem.

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM

That's the problem.

I just might have to change my theory up some... I've always maintained whatever happened to Haleigth was due to an altercation between Ron C and Misty..
I might have to do some re-thinking and add another person to the equation..... GGMS.... Since she claims everything was just fine when she was there that night close to 8:00 pm....JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

And then we have TN who, like her son, claims she wasn't there that night, yet she knows everything about what happened that night and readily told us who was all there that night...
Maybe she got into an altercation with Misty because Misty had the audacity to leave her son alone to care for his own children...JMHO..

Perhaps, that explains WHY she adamantly professed Misty and the children were asleep that night when Tommy claimed he came by the house around 10:00 pm.. Did she know Haleigh was deceased because of an altercation she (TN) had had with Misty at the MH earlier...We've heard from a witness that Misty was scared to death of TN...We're talking about a woman who allowed Ron C to give Misty a supposedly heirloom ring and then took it back several weeks after the wedding...Sounds to me TN knew she could walk all over Misty and Misty wouldn't do one thing about it.... Wonder what TN threatened to do to Misty IF she were ever to tell the truth...JMHO..

 

[Chablis]

JMO bbm that doesn't bother me that much, on the other hand, Crystal, like her Dad, could have been jailed for non payment of support. Much more heated issue JMO. Kind of surprised she wasn't really JMO. Do you know what the fine/punishment re attendance is in PCSO? JMO it was not an issue from Ronald. Just curious, if someone can post the consequences please, thanks

Any parent who loves their kids will risk court before putting money into a druggies hands who is "caring" for their kids. Harping on Crystal and her family life is nothing but a meaningless distraction considering Ronald was not paying support for Jordan LeMyles Cummings, a child his supporters dont want anyone to know exists because everything they say about Crystal can be said about Ron.

It was a known issue for Ronald, opinion or not.

JMO

 

[mkay882]

JMO bbm that doesn't bother me that much, on the other hand, Crystal, like her Dad, could have been jailed for non payment of support. Much more heated issue JMO. Kind of surprised she wasn't really JMO. Do you know what the fine/punishment re attendance is in PCSO? JMO it was not an issue from Ronald. Just curious, if someone can post the consequences please, thanks

True.

Statistics, IMO, would show most children murdered are killed over money (and or) custody as opposed to school attendance.
Ron had custody and Crystal owed $12,000 plus.
To me that money owed, on top of court papers arriving a couple of days before HaLeigh disappeared, is much more interesting.

 

[mkay882]

Any parent who loves their kids will risk court before putting money into a druggies hands who is "caring" for their kids. Harping on Crystal and her family life is nothing but a meaningless distraction considering Ronald was not paying support for Jordan LeMyles Cummings, a child his supporters dont want anyone to know exists because everything they say about Crystal can be said about Ron.

It was a known issue for Ronald, opinion or not.

JMO

Wasn't her choice to make. Child support is court ordered.
Crystal didn't pay because she didn't/doesn't/won't work.
Period. End of story.

 

[Chablis]

To me that money owed, on top of court papers arriving a couple of days before HaLeigh disappeared, is much more interesting.

I agree 100 percent. Ron knew his time was running out and Crystal could ask the courts to drug test him and bring up the trip DCF made to Ron and Misty along with the attendance issues and who knows what else she had on him. Crystal paying support after Haleigh went missing was recieved and probably spent by Ron for a child he knew was dead. That alone will probably get him the DP when hes charged for Haleighs murder, thankfully.

jmo

 

[titanfan62702]

JMO bbm that doesn't bother me that much, on the other hand, Crystal, like her Dad, could have been jailed for non payment of support. Much more heated issue JMO. Kind of surprised she wasn't really JMO. Do you know what the fine/punishment re attendance is in PCSO? JMO it was not an issue from Ronald. Just curious, if someone can post the consequences please, thanks

Doubt Crystal would ever have been in jail for child support. She has another child. Even if she didn't, unless Florida is totally different, there is a long procedure before it is even considered.

 

[lil momma]

Doubt Crystal would ever have been in jail for child support. She has another child. Even if she didn't, unless Florida is totally different, there is a long procedure before it is even considered.

Agreed! If she did go to jail it would have been for a few hours, and then there would have been a TINY amount set for her to get out of jail, which the "purge" money would have been sent to Ron. They don't make you pay the whole amount my ex was 30K in the hole (probably more now) and when they arrested him for non payment, (which he was taken in for something else and they got him on child support) he had to pay $300 to get out. He was out within a few hours. jmo

 

[lil momma]

The school attendance issue has always bugged me...#1, because that kind of trouble might raise a panic, in someone concerned with custody, and #2. because CS thought it was significant enough to bring up. A couple of years ago, we had to go to court over my 2nd grade dd's tardies. My husband, (a laid back chill, kind of guy), got into a heated argument with the principal, and basically said he'd go to jail before he paid a fine. I put the 'defense' together, and the judge dropped the charge because of extenuating circumsatances. Texas may have different laws, but jail is not an issue, until later...if fines aren't paid, and maybe to habitual offenders, etc... Have we ever heard if this was Ron's 1st problem with attendance?

BBM

I agree!

I don't recall hearing if this was the first time. It only takes one time. FL is putting the blame on the parents and making them suffer the consequences for not enforcing the children to go to school. (and rightfully so) It is a matter i heard about just last night at open house at my sons school. 10 missed days in one marking period will get you a trip to the state attorney's office.(that is a lot of days to miss in one marking period (9weeks)) Now, there are exceptions for those that are gravely ill. However, HaLeigh wasn't. Yes, she had turners syndrome, but it isn't like she NEEDED meds to LIVE, or was in and out of the hospital b/c of Turners. She did see specialists but i think all and all she lived a fairly normal life. And if she was on meds that she needed in order to live, no one ever spoke about them. JMO

 

[Gwen]

Crystal didn't pay child support. So what? I am sure that prior to Ronald's 'crane operator' job he was on the dole for those kids. It makes no sense to berate this child support issue when it was paid and he squandered a lost/dead childs' money on his own desires. It makes me sick to see these posts berating Crystal over child support when Ron himself is letting the state raise one of his own sons. Remember the little boy that is sick? That one! The one that he denies yet tries to take? Really? The pot calling the kettle black is an understatement in this case.

We are to believe that Ronald was a great provider, good father, and long time employed member of the community when the evidence is clear he was not. He was only working for a few months at the time of Haleigh's demise! He was at the least IMO getting state aid on the kids and probably insurance til the day Jr. was removed from his household. Also, he probably made the most of his income at tax time when he was able to claim EIC. I am sick of the song and dance that keeps being recited that he was a wonderful father.
This man said in the first interview he did after Haleigh disappeared that she was dead! I don't think anyone is going to convince me that Mr. Cummings is innocent in his daughters' demise.
I will refrain from conveying all the reasons I believe he is guilty as sin. IMO It has been debated and beaten to death here. The most telling fact for me two years later is his lack of interest in finding his child if she is 'missing'. There are tons of reporters who would be happy to interview him in prison or at least his mother and ggmother. Really? Just go quiet? Why did NG go quiet?
Finally, I think defending Crystal is a like walking in crap. You are inevitably gonna get some on you. She has failed Haleigh too. However, SHE IS NOT THE ONE WHO LOST HER! That onus lies blatantly at the feet of Mr. Cummings who had phyiscal custody and the responsiblity for her welfare. So Crystal didn't pay support, Ron hasn't either.
Finally, why did Ron lawyer up? Why did he take Misty out of the sheriff's office when they were questioning her? Why didn't he talk to police? Why didn't he share his time card? Why didn't he so many things. He hindered the investigation for a reason. I can't imagine what that would be unless he was protecting himself.
There is clearly a record of Ron cooperating with police when is butt is in a sling and he didn't do that this time. Wonder why?

 

[lonetraveler]

I think rc got to work around 7:00pm..He, himself, stated he worked eight hours...which was probably a lie. If he worked overtime, he would be screaming it from the rooftops. Instead he is as quiet as a mouse when it comes to the timeclock at PDM.

I also imagine he was one pizzad off man-cub. I have never heard what rc was like when drinking but I know he was drinking when he cut the head off the rat as he stated he and misty were both partying together.

I don't think misty and ron were a couple on Feb 9, 2009 but they sure did try to pull that one off, even going as far as marrying.

One big hole in the case is AS explaining the visit. Who was with her? a babysitter? I remember the day I heard her say "We" and jumped out of my seat. The thing that bothers me is all the people who had kissed Haleigh and said "Goodbye" to her that particular day. For some reason, I always thought it was a final "Goodbye"..not a temporary one.

Yessssssss Whisp. I think the visit was a final goodbye as well. I thought this as soon as I heard Ron's story of Haleigh in his lap and his detail about kissing her goodbye and telling her that he would see her when he got home. I also think that AS brought Haleigh's "favorite outfit" for her to wear when put in her final resting place. All we have as an identity of the other part of "we" is Misty's statement about AS and Aunt Elise coming by with laundry. However, we do know that Hope is sitting in prison as well as the "most talked about" players. Who knows? Too bad we don't have information for Teresa's phone pings for that evening.

 

[lonetraveler]

All I can say lone, is OMG! I had never, ever thought of it that way. I had thought perhaps, a fight between RC/MC with little Haleigh getting in the middle, but I never thought RC would ever ACTUALLY KILL HIS DAUGHTER ON PURPOSE. God help us all!!

Well, on purpose? I don't know, but out of uncontrolled rage? Yes, I can see that! He had probably been without sleep and most likely on drugs and booze. He had been looking for Misty for a few days. I would imagine that he was really on the edge. I can see this happening if he left the bus stop to race after Misty in the van. I can see where he would be livid if Misty picked up Haleigh before he arrived at the bus stop. I can imagine that Haleigh would be whinning and crying to stay with Misty or upset that he was fighting with Misty and that he would take his anger out on her.

I can also see Em's theory that Ron met up with Misty and Haleigh at Misty's parents' house and most likely was waving a gun.

 

[lonetraveler]

This is just an opinion, and I have nothing to back it up, except deduction, but I think at some point, Misty was asked some of those hard hitting questions, and her answers pointed to her not being the murderer. Surely, if she was the murderer, LE could have gotten a confession out of her...especially in the early days, before she lawyered up. But they've been very clear in not labeling her a POI or suspect...just 'the key'. I'm not one to think LE has been necessarily toying with these people, or setting traps, or trying to give false senses of security...at least I hope not, because it's a little late in the game for that. No, right now, (but I may change my mind tomorrow), I think LE wants Misty, 'the key', to tell what she knows, so they will have some verification to what they already know.

Yes, but! We have also heard on the jail tapes both Tommy and Misty saying that LE does not and will not listen to anything they have to say concerning the Cummings side of the family. Maybe Tommy and Misty have tried to tell the truth but were told to shut up.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Agreed! If she did go to jail it would have been for a few hours, and then there would have been a TINY amount set for her to get out of jail, which the "purge" money would have been sent to Ron. They don't make you pay the whole amount my ex was 30K in the hole (probably more now) and when they arrested him for non payment, (which he was taken in for something else and they got him on child support) he had to pay $300 to get out. He was out within a few hours. jmo

Hi there. I'm not so sure she would be out quickly and have a tiny amount due to be sprung. JMO. When I have time I will look back at what was done with her father, I was under the impression he was let out earlier as the DNA test showed he wasn't actually the father. I think it was a bit different, iirc there was communication with the court by MG about the amounts owed and I don't think Ron ever pursued the money he was owed with the court. I will try and look tonight. JMO