General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[dodie20]

She was the first of this Motley Crew to go to jail the whole summer after Haleigh went missing. I think they expected her to be the weakest link, but I dont think they counted on how loyal she is to Ronald. Notice how Teresa and Rooster Cummings didn't mother and father Ron and his sis, yet you dont find one order making them pay child support. You know why? Because they don't get their kin in trouble no matter what. When the LE have to deal with these types of peoples, it has to be hard.

jmo

I was thinking she was the 1st one arrested, but wasn't sure. She has kind of slipped under the radar, but after that sentencing, no more. I don't think there was anything random about any of the arrests. I'm not sure what kind of information DB could have, but IMO, if nothing else, she way over stepped her boundaries, and I'm sure she interfered with the investigation. If Misty confided into her, or confessed, I do believe she would have spoken up by now, so I don't really think she knows much...who knows, maybe Misty would have shared some information, but Ron's warning took care of that. Somebody out of this bunch could put a stop to this nonsense, and give Haleigh's loved ones, some answers. Not knowing what happened or where she is, has got to be a nightmare. And if one of these unusual people would speak up, he/she would help himself. I don't get all of this misplaced loyalty. Is being seen as a snitch really worse, than covering for a child murderer? JMO

 

[titanfan62702]

"Our" issues with the judges decision to give Ron his kids and order Crystal to pay child support matter not.
It was within the law and the judges rights to do so.
End of story <shrug>

Legal and "right thing to do" are totally different especially when someone lies.

Just 'cause it was said in court does not mean it automatically became the truth.

 

[dodie20]

Legal and "right thing to do" are totally different especially when someone lies.

Just 'cause it was said in court does not mean it automatically became the truth.

Exactly...but, judges are human and make mistakes, just like the rest of us. A couple of things that keep me from feeling an ungodly amount of anger towards him, is #1, judges are swamped and don't have the time to do much research, and #2, I doubt this man had ever dealt with this magnitude of lies. My dd got into a fist fight with 2 girls, and even though they had been bullying her, threatening to group jump her,and made her life a living he#&, they ran to the cops and pressed charges, after she beat them up. (go figure). Anyway, since they got to the cops 1st, their word was taken and my dd was left playing defense. So, I gathered all of the texts, facebook messages, etc...and built a defense, based on the threats being assault. When she got to court, she won the case, but the judge barely glanced at her paperwork. It could have been anything, but he took her word, and assumed they backed up her claims. I was dumbfounded. So, hearing that the judge in Ron's case, didn't demand proof or do a background check, doesn't surprise me... but it's a crying shame that Haleigh paid the price. JMO.

 

[Chablis]

Legal and "right thing to do" are totally different especially when someone lies.

Just 'cause it was said in court does not mean it automatically became the truth.

Its ok for Ron to marry a teen who he made quit talking to the cops about Crystals missing child, but its a crime punishable by death and a life of constant harassment for not paying the guy who stole his kids so he wouldnt have to be the one owing, because we all know he would since he wasn't supporting his son with Amber and he didn't ever love Amber enough to punish her like he did Crystal. Oh, and I hope he saved all that CS from Crystal for Haleigh and didn't spend it on Batman rides and stuff like that.

jmo

 

[lonetraveler]

I wasn't thinking that Hope was there instead of Misty. I was thinking that she was the cousin that TN referred to.

And now I am seriously thinking that when it first came out that there was a cousin that "magically" turned into a girlfirend, they were both "there" (still not sure where "there" is). And that was part of the llie -- to protect Hope but then TN screwed up (got to remember those lies) and said a cousin, hoping people with think Joe or forgetting she wasn't suppose to say anything.

Yep, on that same interview as soon as Teresa Neves stated that a cousin was there, Ronald Cummings butted in and said "cousin wuddn't there". He was so quick about it, maybe he was trying to protect Hope.

 

[titanfan62702]

Exactly...but, judges are human and make mistakes, just like the rest of us. A couple of things that keep me from feeling an ungodly amount of anger towards him, is #1, judges are swamped and don't have the time to do much research, and #2, I doubt this man had ever dealt with this magnitude of lies. My dd got into a fist fight with 2 girls, and even though they had been bullying her, threatening to group jump her,and made her life a living he#&, they ran to the cops and pressed charges, after she beat them up. (go figure). Anyway, since they got to the cops 1st, their word was taken and my dd was left playing defense. So, I gathered all of the texts, facebook messages, etc...and built a defense, based on the threats being assault. When she got to court, she won the case, but the judge barely glanced at her paperwork. It could have been anything, but he took her word, and assumed they backed up her claims. I was dumbfounded. So, hearing that the judge in Ron's case, didn't demand proof or do a background check, doesn't surprise me... but it's a crying shame that Haleigh paid the price. JMO.

I don't blame the judge that much either. Some people are good liars and proud of it -- others lie about being liars. Who knows what research would have accomplished? Depends who was doing the research & extensive they were.

Just because it was said in court -- means nothing. Remember CA trial & the swimming pool story.

At least Crystal tried to get something done.

 

[dodie20]

Yep, on that same interview as soon as Teresa Neves stated that a cousin was there, Ronald Cummings butted in and said "cousin wuddn't there". He was so quick about it, maybe he was trying to protect Hope.

I remember an early newspaper report that claimed a cousin was staying at the trailer, that night. Right after, it came out that it was Ron's gf, Misty, who was babysitting, and it was assumed that either the early reporting, was mistaken, or Ron worried about the underage issue, tried to downplay the relationship. But, maybe it wasn't a mistake, and the truth has gotten lost in the shuffle. Personally, I'm more inclined to think HS was the relative TN sent to check on things, but that's just a guess. Her being underaged, could explain why TN didn''t mention a name. Also, maybe AS's visit was separate from the one TN referred to. Tim Miller said that nothing was as it seemed, so thinking along those lines, opens a lot of new doors. IDK why, but this case is a shambles. There's not one person connected to this case, who I haven't suspected of being in that trailer, that night. Right now, I'm pretty sure HC is covered, but I'm not so sure about LC. And we've still never heard Ron's actual work hours. I haven't ruled him getting to work later, or taking a break, or getting home earlier, and then doing the cigarette run. JMO.

 

[Chablis]

Hope IS involved. jmo

 

[mkay882]

It matters to me.

Crystal's Prophetic Words - YouTube

Which doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
The judge's ruling was guided by and within the law.
He had no dog in the fight.

 

[Kimster]

Posts were removed regarding the style of one of the players as far as appearance is concerned. We don't make jokes about that here and y'all know that by now.

:nono:

 

[GER]

Which doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
The judge's ruling was guided by and within the law.
He had no dog in the fight.

The courts are over burdened and the judges are pushed to their limits, IMO. Thus, the judge went with what was the easiest and in my opinion, wrong ruling without asking the right questions and looking over all the documents presented to him. His dog in this fight is there. He has final say and he's the top dog! I personally take offense to your nonchalant manner of posting on this topic.

 

[dodie20]

The courts are over burdened and the judges are pushed to their limits, IMO. Thus, the judge went with what was the easiest and in my opinion, wrong ruling without asking the right questions and looking over all the documents presented to him. His dog in this fight is there. He has final say and he's the top dog! I personally take offense to your nonchalant manner of posting on this topic.

I read that Ron was granted custody, because he had health insurance. Did he show proof of insurance or did the judge take his word? I don't know where he was working at the time, but if he had benefits, why did he quit? His daughter had medical issues, so I can understand why a judge would consider insurance, but from what I can tell, Ron had a very sporadic work history. And after Haleigh came up missing, we all know what he was doing...trafficking drugs. IMO, since he had a drug history, and was later arrested for trafficking, it's likely that the time in between was spent dealing too, because the odds are against him being caught his first time. If he had kept his job longer, I might not feel this way, but he didn't, so I do. JMO.

 

[lil momma]

The courts are over burdened and the judges are pushed to their limits, IMO. Thus, the judge went with what was the easiest and in my opinion, wrong ruling without asking the right questions and looking over all the documents presented to him. His dog in this fight is there. He has final say and he's the top dog! I personally take offense to your nonchalant manner of posting on this topic.

ITA GER!!!!

BBM

Although i don't agree with how the judge ruled the custody case, i agree that the judges are overloaded. The biggest issue i have, is that it is the judges responsibility prior to the ruling to take into consderation all of the facts. Which, if the judge had done his/her homework would have NEVER granted custody to Ron. (Not with that rap sheet of his) JMO I do feel the judicial system failed HaLeigh! and as a FL resident, i just am not that surprised. Pretty much every single "system" in place here, is broken. (this includes DCF) JMO

 

[lil momma]

I read that Ron was granted custody, because he had health insurance. Did he show proof of insurance or did the judge take his word? I don't know where he was working at the time, but if he had benefits, why did he quit? His daughter had medical issues, so I can understand why a judge would consider insurance, but from what I can tell, Ron had a very sporadic work history. And after Haleigh came up missing, we all know what he was doing...trafficking drugs. IMO, since he had a drug history, and was later arrested for trafficking, it's likely that the time in between was spent dealing too, because the odds are against him being caught his first time. If he had kept his job longer, I might not feel this way, but he didn't, so I do. JMO.

BBM

Good Morning dodie!

ITA!!!!!!!

I had also read that, however i don't believe that to be the reason that Ron was awarded custody. I recall reading an article about Crystal having to make a choice of taking HaLeigh to the Dr. or going to court. That Ron could have possibly won by default b/c Crystal didn't appear. (i hope i am not mixing this up...lol) I am sure the judge took his word for it, and he didn't have to show proof of insurance, then again if the children were on Medicade the courts would be aware of this and would write the documents to show Ron has to maintain the medical insurance. But i don't think the health insurance is the reason WHY he was awarded custody, i think it was b/c Crystal didn't appear, and Ron lied about the circumstances around WHY he had the children. JMO, and b/c Crystal wasn't there, there was no one to deny what he was saying. (i won custody by default, b/c my sons father KNEW if he showed up he'd been arrested for non payment, as the Writ was issued a few weeks before the custody hearing---which i had been battling for 3 years)

I highly doubt Ron stopped trafficing drugs at all, from the time he obtained custody til last year when he was arrested....he was still paying off drug fines when he was awarded custody. JMO

 

[mkay882]

Posts were removed regarding the style of one of the players as far as appearance is concerned. We don't make jokes about that here and y'all know that by now.

:nono:

:twocents: I apologize if it was my posts.
Sometime I would rather use the cute icons you provide instead of being rude when I read the extent some will go to make Ron guilty of harming HaLeigh.

 

[mkay882]

The courts are over burdened and the judges are pushed to their limits, IMO. Thus, the judge went with what was the easiest and in my opinion, wrong ruling without asking the right questions and looking over all the documents presented to him. His dog in this fight is there. He has final say and he's the top dog! I personally take offense to your nonchalant manner of posting on this topic.

I disagree.
That would be grounds to have the ruling overturned and HaLeigh's maternal side did nothing to change it.
Nothing.
Crystal even refused another chance.

I'm sorry if you don't like my style. <shrug>
Is it because I refuse to fall into lock-step with the majority of posters' opinions?
I never will, based on what I have heard from LE.

 

[Chablis]

I disagree.
That would be grounds to have the ruling overturned and HaLeigh's maternal side did nothing to change it.
Nothing.
Crystal even refused another chance.

I'm sorry if you don't like my style. <shrug>
Is it because I refuse to fall into lock-step with the majority of posters' opinions?
I never will, based on what I have heard from LE.

I am here interested in the days and night Haleigh went missing, not other posters "style" dare to be different I suppose (for whatever reasons) People advance and move on and breakups happen in one out of two relationships and owing child support is pretty much the least offensive crime a parent can do to their child. We all get it, she was just terrible for not giving money to Ronald. Should we petition the State of Florida to bring up charges on her and have her locked up for life? Irony, logic and karma all show she now has her son, a dead child, and no support from Ron forever, but thats just not punishment enough to some, which in a way is degrading to Haleighs life.

The funny thing about the degrees of defending Ronald, is in this whole thing, if its pointed out Ron was a bad parent, which is a fact he cant right because hes in prison, the finger and degrading points to Crystal immediately. Not to Tommy who was named a suspect, or Joe or the key Misty, its all about trying to prove that Ron was a good parent when in the grand scheme of things shouldnt matter because hes not, you cant be a good parent and end up in prison so who really cares? jmo

 

[GER]

Chablis,
Thank you for articulating the situation so eloquently, where I was unable to express my 'point' as well as you did. Thank YOU!

 

[Emeralgem]

I disagree.
That would be grounds to have the ruling overturned and HaLeigh's maternal side did nothing to change it.
Nothing.
Crystal even refused another chance.

I'm sorry if you don't like my style. <shrug>
Is it because I refuse to fall into lock-step with the majority of posters' opinions?
I never will, based on what I have heard from LE.

LE has flat out stated Ron C has not told everything he knows about what happened... So based on that information IMHO for Ron C not to tell everything he knows about what happened to his child, who he claims is his heart is a strong indication he is involved in what happened to his "HEART" As I see it, he is the one responsible for her demise, either that or he is covering for his mama or his grandma...
We all know he ain't holding back information about what happened in order to protect Misty or anyone else in the Croslin family....JMHO

Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including Croslin and Haleigh's father, have not told everything they know about what happened...http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...-story?cid=rss

 

[Chablis]

LE has flat out stated Ron C has not told everything he knows about what happened... So based on that information IMHO for Ron C not to tell everything he knows about what happened to his child, who he claims is his heart is a strong indication he is involved in what happened to his "HEART" As I see it, he is the one responsible for her demise, either that or he is covering for his mama or his grandma...
We all know he ain't holding back information about what happened in order to protect Misty or anyone else in the Croslin family....JMHO

Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including Croslin and Haleigh's father, have not told everything they know about what happened...http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...-story?cid=rss

Basically Ronald is screwed. His "sweet" plea deal has a clause saying, you have to tell the truth about your daughter and if you dont, you are sitting in jail for 50 years, so hes between a rock and a hard place. If he wants to be known as the guy who cant fess up about where he put his daughter, thats fine with me too. Prison is full of men who literally would do anything for their kids.

jmo