General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Chablis]

Yeah, flying colors, lol. He has a wise way of talking sometimes but I doubt he actually knows what the words mean. Hes so innocent hes in prison for more than a decade. No way on this earth did he pass, no way. If anyone in this story needs to be put through the poly its Annette.

jmo

 

[bessie]

I believe that they were told that LE was "satisfied" with the poly results. the meaning is open to interpretation. I would have to do alot of looking to find the article...but I will look after the weekend.

That statement was made by AMW, but I don't recall reading a direct quote from LE.

Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

LE did say they were "satisfied with the results" of the eight hours of interviews with Ron. It was a quote in the Palatka Daily News. You have to be a subscriber to read the archives, but it was posted here in an earlier thread on 03-13-2009.

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

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[Chablis]

That statement was made by AMW, but I don't recall reading a direct quote from LE.
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

LE did say they were "satisfied with the results" of the eight hours of interviews with Ron. It was a quote in the Palatka Daily News. You have to be a subscriber to read the archives, but it was posted here in an earlier thread on 03-13-2009.



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Dana Treen reports Misty was back before Ron went to work that EVENING. The Pastor says Ron worked 8 hours, and the timeline is 8 hours long. He punched in at around 7, I have no doubts. jmo

 

[dodie20]

Yeah, flying colors, lol. He has a wise way of talking sometimes but I doubt he actually knows what the words mean. Hes so innocent hes in prison for more than a decade. No way on this earth did he pass, no way. If anyone in this story needs to be put through the poly its Annette.

jmo

This is one of those things that morphed into Misty being inconsistent. In the transcript, it was Ron who was doing the bragging, and if you notice, Misty admitted LE didn't say much to her. IMO, this comes across as Ron lying, not Misty...and this was very early in the case. It was things like this that led me to suspect that Ron guided what Misty said. But with that said, there could have been several reasons Ron said they passed. Somebody might have told him they passed, or maybe he felt confident they passed, so he didn't have a problem putting it out there. Maybe he was leery of the raised suspicion that would be caused by admitting, he wasn't told the results. A lot of people would have taken a 'they didn't tell me the results', as a lie to cover a failure. JMO, but in the long run, it doesn't matter what Ron said, because LE knows the results.

 

[dodie20]

Dana Treen reports Misty was back before Ron went to work that EVENING. The Pastor says Ron worked 8 hours, and the timeline is 8 hours long. He punched in at around 7, I have no doubts. jmo

You're probably right, but I'm just as interested in the time, he actually walked out of the plant. I learn something new every day about men and certain types of jobs. 1st of all, my dd's bf texted me over 50 texts, one day, which totally surprised me, because he wasn't reprimanded. They've been staying with us, (yikes), and since he has been fired in the past for not showing up, I'm a real worrywart, about him getting up in the morning. Well, a few times, and at least one time, along with his superviser, he has had coworkers clock him in as much as 2 hours early. I freaked out, because I thought he'd get caught, and the last thing I need in my home, is a jobless loafer. Anyway now, more so than in the beginning, I think it's likely that Ron wasn't at his job, the whole night. If he and his coworkers had a friendly agreement, I sure hope someone has had the guts to tell LE. Ron's actual work hours, and when he was physically at the plant, remain a mystery, IMO. I've noticed that he has been very careful to not lock himself into a specific timeframe, and like with everything else in this case, there may be a logical explanation, but I'm still curious. JMO.

 

[Emeralgem]

My understanding is people have come forward and told LE Ron C was not at work at the time his lawyer claimed he went to work...For all intent and purposes seems any information given to LE concerning his work hours has basically fallen on deaf ears...JMHO

 

[Chablis]

My understanding is people have come forward and told LE Ron C was not at work at the time his lawyer claimed he went to work...For all intent and purposes seems any information given to LE concerning his work hours has basically fallen on deaf ears...JMHO

IF it has fallen on deaf ears, dont you think he would be free looking for other mates at Juniors bus stop? They wanted him bad, and successfully captured him for at least a decade. They know what a sneaky lying cad he has always been. I dont believe the cops said, we dont want to hear about Ronald, I think thats a lie, or an investigative tactic. They know what he is, and who his family is, trust that. JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

IF it has fallen on deaf ears, dont you think he would be free looking for other mates at Juniors bus stop? They wanted him bad, and successfully captured him for at least a decade. They know what a sneaky lying cad he has always been. I dont believe the cops said, we dont want to hear about Ronald, I think thats a lie, or an investigative tactic. They know what he is, and who his family is, trust that. JMO

The fact PCSO did not and has not done anything to apply any real pressure to Ronald Cummings or anyone in his family, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to successfully capture him and send him to jail for 15 years on drug trafficking charges...
Ron C being responsible for Haleigh's demise should be the reason he is behind bars..
Hope S, Misty C and Tommy C are all involved in a cover up and obstruction of justice, and deserve to be in jail too BUT they are not the masterminds behind WHY Haleigh's remains have never been found....
IMHO.. There are members of Ron C's family who are the main orchestrators of the coverup and are fully aware of where Haleigh's remains are located.. Those people are not sitting in jail, nor have they had any real pressure applied to them by LE or PCSO...
.And until the others are charged, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to find a way to set up and charge Ron C, Misty, Tommy or Hope ..JMHO

 

[Flossie JMO]

This is one of those things that morphed into Misty being inconsistent. In the transcript, it was Ron who was doing the bragging, and if you notice, Misty admitted LE didn't say much to her. IMO, this comes across as Ron lying, not Misty...and this was very early in the case. It was things like this that led me to suspect that Ron guided what Misty said. But with that said, there could have been several reasons Ron said they passed. Somebody might have told him they passed, or maybe he felt confident they passed, so he didn't have a problem putting it out there. Maybe he was leery of the raised suspicion that would be caused by admitting, he wasn't told the results. A lot of people would have taken a 'they didn't tell me the results', as a lie to cover a failure. JMO, but in the long run, it doesn't matter what Ron said, because LE knows the results.

ITA, that was what I was getting at above, JMO, it doesn't matter what any of them said, LE has not commented other than the vague "satisfied". We've seen several folks say they were told *something*. Ron, WBG, Misty, Crystal, etc. We just don't know. :banghead:

 

[Chablis]

The fact PCSO did not and has not done anything to apply any real pressure to Ronald Cummings or anyone in his family, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to successfully capture him and send him to jail for 15 years on drug trafficking charges...
Ron C being responsible for Haleigh's demise should be the reason he is behind bars..
Hope S, Misty C and Tommy C are all involved in a cover up and obstruction of justice, and deserve to be in jail too BUT they are not the masterminds behind WHY Haleigh's remains have never been found....
IMHO.. There are members of Ron C's family who are the main orchestrators of the coverup and are fully aware of where Haleigh's remains are located.. Those people are not sitting in jail, nor have they had any real pressure applied to them by LE or PCSO...
.And until the others are charged, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to find a way to set up and charge Ron C, Misty, Tommy or Hope ..JMHO

I just truly believe to keep this quiet there cant be 10 people involved. I think the pressure got to Katrina and they did get Hope. It really does make sense. I dont know what Tommy did or knows, that part still baffles me.

jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

I just truly believe to keep this quiet there cant be 10 people involved. I think the pressure got to Katrina and they did get Hope. It really does make sense. I dont know what Tommy did or knows, that part still baffles me.

jmo

Ron's family
TN
AS
DS
ES
RC
HS
KB
JH

just to speculate on a few..Believe me they will never tell...

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Croslin family

MC
Tommy C
CC
Tim C

As I see it the Croslins are out numbered, not to mention I suspect they are now fully aware of the fact they were being framed and set up by Ron C and his family to take the fall IF they ever attempted to tell the truth as to what really happened.....

Croslins know they are between a rock and a hard place... IF they tell what they know and their involvement, they know they will take the fall for Ron C....

JMHO

As I see it that is WHY they have all gone back to saying Haleigh is alive and Misty was sleeping when Haleigh was abducted...JMHO

Do you see any Cummings saying someone in the Croslin family killed Haleigh while Ron C was at work?

No, we don't...And we won't eventhough Sheriff Hardy has stated he believes there is s trong posibility Haleigh died in the Shell Harbor area..
ETA.. In reference to Tommy I suspect he and/or someone else in his family placed Haleigh in or under that dumpster that night for a period of time until Ron C and/or someone in his immediate family could make arrangements to dispose of her body....JMHO

 

[lonetraveler]

You're probably right, but I'm just as interested in the time, he actually walked out of the plant. I learn something new every day about men and certain types of jobs. 1st of all, my dd's bf texted me over 50 texts, one day, which totally surprised me, because he wasn't reprimanded. They've been staying with us, (yikes), and since he has been fired in the past for not showing up, I'm a real worrywart, about him getting up in the morning. Well, a few times, and at least one time, along with his superviser, he has had coworkers clock him in as much as 2 hours early. I freaked out, because I thought he'd get caught, and the last thing I need in my home, is a jobless loafer. Anyway now, more so than in the beginning, I think it's likely that Ron wasn't at his job, the whole night. If he and his coworkers had a friendly agreement, I sure hope someone has had the guts to tell LE. Ron's actual work hours, and when he was physically at the plant, remain a mystery, IMO. I've noticed that he has been very careful to not lock himself into a specific timeframe, and like with everything else in this case, there may be a logical explanation, but I'm still curious. JMO.

Well, just counting backwards starting at 3am you would end up at 7pm the prior evening. 7 pm is the original time that Annette Sykes said that "We" went by the MH. Of course, this could also be the actual time that Ronald showed up at work, since he has been reported to have been seen at around 6 pm by two men who say he was waving a gun and threatening to rob a drug dealer. Annette's story changed later to 8pm and Misty's phone was supposedly turned off at around 8:30 pm that evening. Ron couldn't get up with her and as far as we know, didn't talk with her until right after 3am the next morning. But, and that is a big But, Teresa Neves was concerned IMO about the children and admitted that she sent a relative over to check on the children that evening. Annette, much later on, stated that she was really pizzzzzzed that Misty had left Ronald without someone to babysit the kids. I think that all the points above point to the children being left alone by Ronald and that is why Annette S. was sent over to check on the kids. That is if you believe the story of Annette going over to the MH at all. It also lends credence that Misty wasn't there that evening at all. I think that there are people who were very much involved with covering up this crime who are not in prison.

 

[titanfan62702]

I suspect TN is fully aware of who picked up Haleigh and knows full well it was not her son...JMHO

I'm still trying to figure out the hype to prove that Ron picked up HaLeigh. If someone would convince me he was nowhere around that afternoon, I'd more likely believe he had nothing to do with what happened.

 

[titanfan62702]

IIRC .. In an interview with GVS on national tv (approximately three days or four days after Haleigh was falsely reported as being abducted) Ron C claimed he was told he passed his poly...He even added... he passed with flying colors..JMHO...

And the only color that statement gives me is red, like a red flag.

 

[lonetraveler]

My understanding is people have come forward and told LE Ron C was not at work at the time his lawyer claimed he went to work...For all intent and purposes seems any information given to LE concerning his work hours has basically fallen on deaf ears...JMHO

Ron's attorney talks in generalities and uses present tense for past events when it tends to protect his client. When he talks about Ron's work start time he talks about Ronald usually shows up for work early. When he talks about the timeclock, he states that the timesystem at PDM uses handprints to ID people for clocking in. He however negates to answer the exact question being asked. He makes it appear that Ronald showed up early for work on February 9th, when actually he is talking about when he usually shows up. This is a way of saying something that isn't necessarily true for the question asked, but true in a general sense. That way you can't say that he lied about the facts, he just didn't answer the question being asked. He is playing with words. The handprint time system was put into use after Haleigh's disappearance. The way that Ron's attorney answers he makes it appear that the present system was in use when Ron worked there. Again, he doesn't answer the questions asked, he answers what is being used at the present time of the interview. An attorney can use the "present tense" speaking when it will work for them if the situation in the "past tense" does not help his client. It is a very slick way of lying but not lying. Slicker than snail snot.

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm still trying to figure out the hype to prove that Ron picked up HaLeigh. If someone would convince me he was nowhere around that afternoon, I'd more likely believe he had nothing to do with what happened.

As I see it... IF LE knows Misty was not at the MH during the day on the 9th of February or there that evening, but he and his mother are claiming he was the one who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop then he should be the one being referred to as the last person who was with Haleigh....TN claims she wasn't there...IMHO He is the number one suspect...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

Ron's attorney talks in generalities and uses present tense for past events when it tends to protect his client. When he talks about Ron's work start time he talks about Ronald usually shows up for work early. When he talks about the timeclock, he states that the timesystem at PDM uses handprints to ID people for clocking in. He however negates to answer the exact question being asked. He makes it appear that Ronald showed up early for work on February 9th, when actually he is talking about when he usually shows up. This is a way of saying something that isn't necessarily true for the question asked, but true in a general sense. That way you can't say that he lied about the facts, he just didn't answer the question being asked. He is playing with words. The handprint time system was put into use after Haleigh's disappearance. The way that Ron's attorney answers he makes it appear that the present system was in use when Ron worked there. Again, he doesn't answer the questions asked, he answers what is being used at the present time of the interview. An attorney can use the "present tense" speaking when it will work for them if the situation in the "past tense" does not help his client. It is a very slick way of lying but not lying. Slicker than snail snot.

Ron's attorney did this again when he said something like, "we still have people, putting Ron at the bus stop'. He never explained what people, and he didn't talk about the people who were putting Misty at the bus stop. So many things were left unsaid. Really, I don't know why who picked Haleigh up is such an issue. I have some ideas, but they're not very good, because they don't jibe with the insistence to lie. The best I can make out, is it might have something to do with Misty maybe smacking a little boy, or the conversation she was overheard having about bad drugs. I have a feeling this is one of those times, when LE has information, that they haven't shared with the public. For instance, and totally hypothetical...if Misty picked up Haleigh, where was Ron? What was he doing? If LE confronted him with a tip, Ron might have said, ' absolutely wasn't me, because I was at the bus stop', etc... but even that wouldn't explain the insistence, because him taking Misty AWAY from the bus stop, seems to have been the point. Anyway, Ron's lawyer throwing out that statement, grabbed my attention, because it was so random. IMO, I took it that LE was having a problem with Ron's story, and his lawyer was playing defense and trying to solidify his account. But, regardless of what happened during that time frame, it's MOO that it's extremely important...important enough to still be lying about. And that's only if you believe the bus stop witnesses, which I do. JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

Ron's attorney did this again when he said something like, "we still have people, putting Ron at the bus stop'. He never explained what people, and he didn't talk about the people who were putting Misty at the bus stop. So many things were left unsaid. 1 Really, I don't know why who picked Haleigh up is such an issue. I have some ideas, but they're not very good, because they don't jibe with the insistence to lie. The best I can make out, is it might have something to do with Misty maybe smacking a little boy, or the conversation she was overheard having about bad drugs. I have a feeling this is one of those times, when LE has information, that they haven't shared with the public. For instance, and totally hypothetical...if Misty picked up Haleigh, where was Ron? What was he doing? If LE confronted him with a tip, Ron might have said, ' absolutely wasn't me, because I was at the bus stop', etc... but even that wouldn't explain the insistence, because him taking Misty AWAY from the bus stop, seems to have been the point. Anyway, Ron's lawyer throwing out that statement, grabbed my attention, because it was so random. IMO, I took it that LE was having a problem with Ron's story, and his lawyer was playing defense and trying to solidify his account. But, regardless of what happened during that time frame, it's MOO that it's extremely important...important enough to still be lying about. 2 And that's only if you believe the bus stop witnesses, which I do. JMO

bbm 1, I don't think it is, at all

bbm2, I do too, but I believe the witnesses that said Ron picked her up who have chosen wisely to remain out of the press,and I believe LE.

JMO

 

[dodie20]

I just truly believe to keep this quiet there cant be 10 people involved. I think the pressure got to Katrina and they did get Hope. It really does make sense. I dont know what Tommy did or knows, that part still baffles me.

jmo

Tommy really is the odd man out. He shouldn't be involved at all, but here he is, in the thick of the action. I've thought at times, that he was an after the fact kind of guy, but I really don't think so anymore. If that was the case, he would have spilled all and got back to his family. Sorry, but I think Tommy has been called a suspect for good reasons. And somehow Misty became involved, and that's what she and Ron have been covering. It's the only thing that explains all 3 of their actions, IMO. Add that to whatever was going on with Ron, Tommy, and Joe, and whatever led up to that night, and I can think of plenty of reasons that Ron might cover. Also, once he started covering for Misty, there would be no turning back. How could he ever justify lying for her? especially if she had something to do with the murder? This is just a theory, but the only other thing that makes sense to me, is they're ALL guilty of murder. JMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Right at the time of Ronald Cummings' divorce Action News had a video where Terry Shoemaker discussed that Ronald was looking into starting a non-profit fund so that he could hire a Private Investigator to find out what happened to Haleigh Cummings. Has anyone heard if this fund was ever established?