George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 2

[SouthAussie]

Absolutely, but it would appear we are the exception as even the crowd /firefighter believe if they had called for an EMT and it hadn’t arrived by that point, they were lying. So whilst it is the norm for you and I- it was not the usual time delay for the police or the firefighter in that location.

The EMTs arrived 5-6 mins after the Code 3 was relayed to them. 6-7 mins after the Code 2 was relayed to them.

I am not sure how much faster they could have arrived at the scene. And even then, George had no pulse and was flat lining. No CPR was being administered.

The defendant is on trial for causing George's death. No-one is on trial for not saving George's life.


Emergency medical workers were first called to the scene around that time, 8:20 p.m., for a report of a “mouth injury” and were initially not asked to rush to the scene. Just over a minute later, the call was upgraded to a “Code 3” response, meaning that the emergency medical workers should turn on their ambulance’s lights and sirens and get there as quickly as possible. They arrived at about 8:27 p.m.
George Floyd was dead by the time medical help arrived, a paramedic testified.

 

[Ruthbullock]

The EMTs arrived 5-6 mins after the Code 3 was relayed to them. 6-7 mins after the Code 2 was relayed to them.

I am not sure how much faster they could have arrived at the scene. And even then, George had no pulse and was flat lining. No CPR was being administered.

The defendant is on trial for causing George's death. No-one is on trial for not saving George's life.


Emergency medical workers were first called to the scene around that time, 8:20 p.m., for a report of a “mouth injury” and were initially not asked to rush to the scene. Just over a minute later, the call was upgraded to a “Code 3” response, meaning that the emergency medical workers should turn on their ambulance’s lights and sirens and get there as quickly as possible. They arrived at about 8:27 p.m.
George Floyd was dead by the time medical help arrived, a paramedic testified.

I’ve seen the timings and watched the same testimony as well. That response would be unheard of here- but the prosecution witness herself stated they would have arrived by that point (and whilst I think she reacted dramatically, I do believe her). If nothing else the expectations of arrival of emergency services needs analysing as that wasn’t just one service, but two.

 

[MsBetsy]

He was suffering an overdose when he was removed from the car(dragonwok side)- IMO (hubbies) he saw the signs in the footage. Doesn’t bode well for everything that happened afterwards though.

I didn't notice any signs of overdose when he was pulled from the car. If he was suffering from a fentanyl overdose I would have expected him to pass out as soon as they sat him down. I would not expect him to be talking, walking, and struggling with the officers as they tried to put him in the squad car. He would likely be incoherent, yet every word he said was clear and rational.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

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All the doctors that have testified so far have agreed the fentanyl and meth levels were not fatal and said GF did not overdose.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

All the doctors that have testified so far have agreed the fentanyl and meth levels were not fatal and said GF did not overdose.

So far.

 

[kittythehare]

All the doctors that have testified so far have agreed the fentanyl and meth levels were not fatal and said GF did not overdose.

Yep, all here in black and white, too
Derek Chauvin Trial Live Updates: George Floyd Showed Signs of Brain Injury 4 Minutes Before Officer Relented, Expert Says

 

[missy1974]

Ok, quick question since it's being discussed... and I know there has to be someone here that has an opinion...

This nodding off thing... it has been said that the woman in the car with GF has said that he was indeed nodding off and the reason they didn't drive away.
So in what circumstance would he be nodding off... be more alert once the police are there (may be showing signs, but I don't think he was nodding off)... but then die of an overdose? IF he was already overdosing in the car before LE arrived... he's not just going to snap out of that, right? or is it possible, he took something, it was wearing off.. and then when he saw LE, threw pills in his mouth and was alert for a period of time before hitting that OD level? **** Not saying this happened, just trying to understand how he could go from nodding off... more than alert... to dying of an overdose

Hope that makes sense! I just don't know enough about drug overdoses to understand this. I don't even understand how he went from nodding off in the car to what we saw.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

So far.

Today was a big game changer for me anyhow. I was expecting to hear that the level of drugs in GF's system played a much bigger role in his death. I'm still waiting to hear more before I determine my final verdict.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Today was a big game changer for me anyhow. I was expecting to hear that the level of drugs in GF's system played a much bigger role in his death. I'm still waiting to hear more before I determine my final verdict.

The prosecution were never going to say that?

 

[missy1974]

Today was a big game changer for me anyhow. I was expecting to hear that the level of drugs in GF's system played a much bigger role in his death. I'm still waiting to hear more before I determine my final verdict.

I was not expecting to hear that from a prosecution expert. But like everything in this case, there are opinions on either side that support both sides. I do not envy this jury at all.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Ok, quick question since it's being discussed... and I know there has to be someone here that has an opinion...

This nodding off thing... it has been said that the woman in the car with GF has said that he was indeed nodding off and the reason they didn't drive away.
So in what circumstance would he be nodding off... be more alert once the police are there (may be showing signs, but I don't think he was nodding off)... but then die of an overdose? IF he was already overdosing in the car before LE arrived... he's not just going to snap out of that, right? or is it possible, he took something, it was wearing off.. and then when he saw LE, threw pills in his mouth and was alert for a period of time before hitting that OD level? **** Not saying this happened, just trying to understand how he could go from nodding off... more than alert... to dying of an overdose

Hope that makes sense! I just don't know enough about drug overdoses to understand this. I don't even understand how he went from nodding off in the car to what we saw.

I've been wondering the same thing. If GF's passengers gave him Narcan I would think it would have been on the toxicology report. Right?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Today was a big game changer for me anyhow. I was expecting to hear that the level of drugs in GF's system played a much bigger role in his death. I'm still waiting to hear more before I determine my final verdict.

I wasn't expecting that from a State witness. I am expecting to get a different point of view from defense witness.

 

[missy1974]

I've been wondering the same thing. If GF's passengers gave him Narcan I would think it would have been indicated on the toxicology report. Right?

oh wow... never even thought of that!!!!! I'm assuming the State is NOT going to call her as a witness, so we will see if the defense does.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Ok, quick question since it's being discussed... and I know there has to be someone here that has an opinion...

This nodding off thing... it has been said that the woman in the car with GF has said that he was indeed nodding off and the reason they didn't drive away.
So in what circumstance would he be nodding off... be more alert once the police are there (may be showing signs, but I don't think he was nodding off)... but then die of an overdose? IF he was already overdosing in the car before LE arrived... he's not just going to snap out of that, right? or is it possible, he took something, it was wearing off.. and then when he saw LE, threw pills in his mouth and was alert for a period of time before hitting that OD level? **** Not saying this happened, just trying to understand how he could go from nodding off... more than alert... to dying of an overdose

Hope that makes sense! I just don't know enough about drug overdoses to understand this. I don't even understand how he went from nodding off in the car to what we saw.

He wasn’t alert- even a gun didn’t get him out of the car or to comply quickly. He was not all there at that point and it declined quickly.

 

[missy1974]

He wasn’t alert- even a gun didn’t get him out of the car or to comply quickly. He was not all there at that point and it declined quickly.

I think he was very much alert when he was struggling with 3 officers in the squad car.... or like I was asking... can that be a thing with overdoses? I have no idea... lol

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Today was a big game changer for me anyhow. I was expecting to hear that the level of drugs in GF's system played a much bigger role in his death. I'm still waiting to hear more before I determine my final verdict.

I was not expecting to hear that from a prosecution expert. But like everything in this case, there are opinions on either side that support both sides. I do not envy this jury at all.

I wasn't expecting that from a State witness. I am expecting to get a different point of view from defense witness.

I wasn't even thinking......duh!!!
Thanks for getting me back on the right path. LOL

 

[Ruthbullock]

I think he was very much alert when he was struggling with 3 officers in the squad car.... or like I was asking... can that be a thing with overdoses? I have no idea... lol

I thought that, until I heard his face was smushed on the back seat and left blood- don’t take drugs, but if intoxicated could visualise how someone could bash themselves trying to manoeuvre themselves- certainly wouldn’t indicate all there at that point.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

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IMO Nelson is doing an excellent job.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... on foam coming from his mouth. He was foaming at the mouth just two months before and was treated for a drug overdose. He spent 5 days in the hospital.

Things that could cause foaming at the mouth are drug overdoses, seizures and rabies. My money is on a drug overdose and no other reason. MOO

 

[Ruthbullock]

IMO Nelson is doing an excellent job.

He is excellent as is needed- they can’t leave anything overturned if they want to prosecute. I do wish the prosecution portrayed the same air of confidence though.