George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[ljs713]

Everyone please remember to add "IN MY OPINION " to all posts that are not known as fact

Please everyone we don't want this thread closed. :scared:

 

[PaperDoll]

PD my point was we could IF this case for days

if George this or if Trayvon that...

But in the end two guys were both legally on a public sidewalk, a fight started then the guy who was injured and also hapended to be legally carrying a firearm defended himself from further bodily injury

I understand what you are saying But a teen was killed and this needs to be investigated.

 

[MeeBee]

If you listen to the 911 call, he says he does not know where TM is.

He was trying to go back to his vehicle but TM stopped him from doing that.

JMo

They ask him for his location so they know where to meet George. He does a lot of umm and ahh and then just tells them to call him back for his location. We have been told over and over that George knows the area and everyone in it like the back of his hand. It doesn't stand to reason to me that George would not have been able to tell him where he was even at that point where he had ventured away from his car. Also, after they tell him they don't need him to pursue, you hear wind and heavy breathing for quite a few seconds before it stops.

 

[m00c0w]

*BBM*
Better permit revoked than a dead kid.


PS- No offense m00c0W, that sentence just bothers me.
I think this boy being dead gets lost sometimes in all the arguements about whose fault it is.
PPS- I told myself I would not post today...I slipped, going to try and abide by it starting....NOW! :blushing:

To be fair, I'm only replying to the comment as it was stated. In general, that's a silly idea and will take you further down the rabbit hole than you ever wanted to be.

What's the saying, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions?

:twocents:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

He knew the kids and adults in his neighborhood, didn't recognize TM.

 

[iluvmua]

I understand what you are saying But a teen was killed and this needs to be investigated.

It was investigated and police came back and said they could not charge GZ because everything he was telling them matched up.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No one knows that except GZ and anyone he told, like his best buddy and/or his wife. "Just tell her I shot someone."

Do you really believe that he and Shelly never discussed what GZ would do if the subject tried to get away and subsequently tried to defend himself.

IMPO, Shelly knows what GZ's plan was for that night or under any other similar situation..

Pure speculation...

aNd I don't think what he said means anything. Just fact. He did just shoot someone. Just fact.

I don't assume anything not in evidence.

 

[MeeBee]

To be fair, I'm only replying to the comment as it was stated. In general, that's a silly idea and will take you further down the rabbit hole than you ever wanted to be.

What's the saying, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions?

:twocents:

So how about instead of responding to "why are you following me?" with "what are you doing?" and further inciting the situation, respond with I've called the police and they will be here any second. Surely Trayvon would not have attacked him then, if he in fact attacked him.

 

[kimlynn]

This is the biggest thing to me. He acts very elusive when asked for a location and then just tells them to call him back. This shows to me he planned on continuing to pursue Trayvon. It tells me he knew he shouldn't have gone what he did but did it anyway. If he had gone back and waited in his car none of this would have happened, either. That is my issue with declaring George completely innocent, regardless of who was screaming and why he fired his gun.

Same here.Trayvon ran.We know that from GZ and the last person (RJ) who spoke to him on the phone.
This leads me to believe that TM was trying to escape the situation and did not double back to confront a person that seemed to cause him fear.
GZ says "they always get away" and at one point ran after Martin.He then won't give a location to meet with police which indicates to me that he didn't know where he would be as he was still in pursuit of TM.

Speaking of running....I'll check back later.

IMO

 

[MeeBee]

Same here.Trayvon ran.We know that from GZ and the last person (RJ) who spoke to him on the phone.
This leads me to believe that TM was trying to escape the situation and did not double back to confront a person that seemed to cause him fear.
GZ says "they always get away" and at one point ran after Martin.He then won't give a location to meet with police which indicates to me that he didn't know where he would be as he was still in pursuit of TM.

Speaking of running....I'll check back later.

IMO

That is my interpretation as well.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

TM had every right to not go into his home, he had every right to stay and talk on the phone.

We don't know how GZ got his head scratched, he could have scratched it on the pavement while in his struggle. Where were GZ hands while TM was on top? I don't believe that TM had the upper hand the whole time. I believe TM saw the gun and there was a struggle over it, even if GZ was on bottom. TM had a right to defend his life, he had no weapon, GZ did. :twocents:

We do know how. It was not injured before he ran into TM and after he was beaten and bloodied. A witness said he saw TM on top of GZ beating him. That is not speculation but evidence in the case.

If they struggled over the gun, without a safety I bet there would have been more shots than one. MHO
The evidence shows that GZ was the one injured.

 

[ncgramma]

I believe so.

Angel Corey is the reason why it did not go to the Grand Jury first, she did not want it to go to the grand jury because, IMO she knew they would come back and say there is not enough evidence to take this to trial.

IMO, I think Corey was reacting to outside pressures just like everyone else (LE, Govenor, etc. It's tough to ignore when your President says a victim could be his son.) in insuring that the case was brought to trial. Lilly livered all of them. Makes a farce of our entire system of justice when political pressure defines/defies law.

 

[Just K]

Here we go with official statement Number One. (Singleton)

 

[Chelly]

Cop testifying repeatedly refers to suspect as "George".

 

[legalmania]

I think he was following him and then following in the sense that he wanted to find out the direction he'd gone in and possible even find him. I don't know that he was looking for a confrontation though and that does not make it murder. I think he was prepared to use the gun but I don't think he was seeking to use it.

I also think that Trayvon didn't want this stranger to know where he lived, and that is why he hesitated going straight home. We know that Trayvon felt he was being followed and didn't understand why. I feel this whole thing was a terrible tragedy, and could have been avoided with some communication, between the two of them.

 

[m00c0w]

So how about instead of responding to "why are you following me?" with "what are you doing?" and further inciting the situation, respond with I've called the police and they will be here any second. Surely Trayvon would not have attacked him then, if he in fact attacked him.

We can play the "What if" game all day. That is not what happened, so I'm not sure why it is relevant.

Martin could have gone home, Martin could have run away. Martin could have answered what he was up to. Martin could have kept walking.

None of this is relevant to the events as they happened. The questions are whether Zimmerman was within his rights to do what he did. From all appearances so far, IMO, yes. The state has not proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.

:twocents:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So how about instead of responding to "why are you following me?" with "what are you doing?" and further inciting the situation, respond with I've called the police and they will be here any second. Surely Trayvon would not have attacked him then, if he in fact attacked him.

Why not? He was already perturbed based on Dee Dee aka Diamond Gene aka Rachel's testimony.

 

[ncgramma]

Your words say it all, concisely, PaperDoll:

If those words stay focused in the minds of the Jury, GZ will be found guilty, of what he himself admitted to.:seeya:

GZ admitted to self defense. If he is found guilty of that ... he will be exonerated.

 

[MeeBee]

Why not? He was already perturbed based on Dee Dee aka Diamond Gene aka Rachel's testimony.

Justifiably perturbed.

 

[sacrablue]

BBM

Not true, and that can go so wrong, so fast. You start telling someone you have a gun, and that quickly turns into, "Officer! He threatened to shoot me with his gun!" And since you're carrying concealed, how does he know you have a gun unless you told him or he saw it?

Nice way to get your permit revoked.

I will trust an x marine and 45 year permit owner's opinion but thanks.