George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[Horace Finklestein]

Fact: GZ deviated from standard procedure. GZ was aware of standard procedure. Thus, not appropriate to do what he did.
IMO

He wasn't acting as neighborhood watch that evening so there was no procedure to follow. imo

 

[Nymeria]

GZ's version being played in court right now is interesting! Anyone listening? Has the diagram this detective did with GZ available online?

It will be NOW Angel! About to be brought into testimony, I am sure they will overhead it....

 

[popsicle]

Now you are calling your opinion common sense. Are you saying you should not announce you are carrying a gun to the potential trouble maker?

I read an article this weekend... a 72 yr old man walked across the street to complain about a skateboarder on the basketball court. The man playing basketball with his daughter had given him permission to skateboard.

The 72yr old and the basketball man exchanged words and then the 72 yr old lifted his jacket or shirt to reveal his gun before turning to walk back home. After he turned around and started walking back home the basketball player man jumped on his back and a fight ensued, the 72 yr old shot and killed the basketball player.

The 72yr old man was found guilty of manslaughter. I will look later to see if I can find the story. oh..it's Trevor Dooley in Tampa FL.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...sentenced-to-8-years-for-manslaughter/1270967

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

These are the facts as you interrupt them.

Please add "In My Opinion "

This is an easy fix everyone. Please just do it.

Here let me give you an example:

Fact: George had a gun
Opinion : he fired the gun in self defense.

See how easy this is ?

Thank you

Sorry Tricia.. I was typing incompletely. I will make sure I post fact correctly and then add MO when I post that..

I think I need more coffee this morning!!

 

[DIBSY]

Tricia asked us to use IMO. Just wanted to let you know. Trying not to come across bossy.

They ask him for his location so they know where to meet George. He does a lot of umm and ahh and then just tells them to call him back for his location. We have been told over and over that George knows the area and everyone in it like the back of his hand. It doesn't stand to reason to me that George would not have been able to tell him where he was even at that point where he had ventured away from his car. Also, after they tell him they don't need him to pursue, you hear wind and heavy breathing for quite a few seconds before it stops.

Cop testifying repeatedly refers to suspect as "George".

Yes indeed, as in "ole buddy George," IMO

 

[ncgramma]

Wrong direction, GZ. And, if what he is saying was even remotely true, JL's light was on. He said TM asked him "what the f..." but yet he says he never even saw TM about to punch him. His chronological retelling does not at all fit the timing of the 911 call.

Have you ever heard of the term, "sucker punched"? Happens in broad daylight too.

 

[MeeBee]

I read an article this weekend... a 72 yr old man walked across the street to complain about a skateboarder on the basketball court. The man playing basketball with his daughter had given him permission to skateboard.

The 72yr old and the basketball man exchanged words and then the 72 yr old lifted his jacket or shirt to reveal his gun before turning to walk back home. After he turned around and started walking back home the basketball player man jumped on his back and a fight ensued, the 72 yr old shot and killed the basketball player.

The 72yr old man was found guilty of manslaughter. I will look later to see if I can find the story. oh..it's Trevor Dooley in Tampa FL.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...sentenced-to-8-years-for-manslaughter/1270967

That's why I feel this is a possible case of manslaughter.

 

[Just K]

TM, IMO, wanted to get a description of the guy watching him, too.

 

[AngelWings444]

Wasn't it raining?

Yes, it was raining and Trayvon was talking on the cell phone. I would take some cover too if I was talking on the phone in the rain. His bluetooth was on his sweatshirt. Also, he was talking to a friend on the phone. My son does this all the time, pulls up in his car and doesn't come in because he's chatting on his phone. Teenagers don't like other listening to their conversations. When you are on a Bluetooth, you are speaking out loud. Makes sense to me, but that's JMO.

 

[MeeBee]

This diagram confirms my suspicion that George was following Trayvon in his car.

 

[Just K]

When TM was near enough to ask GZ a question....GZ says he rolled up his window.

 

[ncgramma]

Fact: GZ deviated from standard procedure. GZ was aware of standard procedure. Thus, not appropriate to do what he did.
IMO

What standard procedure are you referring to and Who/What authority defined this stand procedure? I'm confused.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Walking through this, This all makes sense to me and seems completely logical and supported by evidence.. JMO

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, it was raining and Trayvon was talking on the cell phone. I would take some cover too if I was talking on the phone in the rain. His bluetooth was on his sweatshirt. Also, he was talking to a friend on the phone. My son does this all the time, pulls up in his car and doesn't come in because he's chatting on his phone. Teenagers don't like other listening to their conversations. When you are on a Bluetooth, you are speaking out loud. Makes sense to me, but that's JMO.

That's why it makes sense to me too. I used to do that all the time as a teen when I was on the phone. It sounds like Trayvon was just acting like a kid. Sure, George has no way of knowing that and will see that through his suspicious mind. I guess people will justify George for calling the police on Trayvon regardless of what Trayvon was doing. But I feel fairly confident Trayvon was doing nothing wrong, saw someone following/watching him and went into fight/flight mode. MOO IMO AMO

 

[sacrablue]

That is exactly what I am saying. The potential for bad far outweighs the potential for good in that situation. If you're so concerned about the situation, remove yourself from it. That is the only way out. Your weapon's presence, if concealed, should only be known when you intend on using it. Otherwise you put yourself in what could become a pretty hairy legal situation. Or a situation in which the person feels they're in fear of their life now because they feel you threatened them, and they just go ahead and shoot you.

:twocents:

The potential far outweighs the bad. This is true but a few steps back when GZ called 911 and continued his pursuit. All bets are off now. That is common sense.
Now if he notices the person he is following is young and does not appear armed it would be less likely for an altercation if he announces he has a gun. Think about it.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This diagram confirms my suspicion that George was following Trayvon in his car.

That seems completely logical to me. JMO

 

[DIBSY]

GZ's version being played in court right now is interesting! Anyone listening? Has the diagram this detective did with GZ available online?

Yes, it gives me the chills to hear how cool as a cucumber he sounded IMO after killing a young boy.

 

[ncgramma]

He wasn't acting as neighborhood watch that evening so there was no procedure to follow. imo

You've lost me :blushing: how was he not acting as neighborhood watch that evening? It sure seems to me that he was, "watching out for his neighborhood".

 

[greycoupon]

I'm not quite sure how to ask but is "homey" common slang for teenagers? I've never heard the time outside of tv and it sounded odd but I haven't been around teens a long while.

 

[DIBSY]

The potential far outweighs the bad. This is true but a few steps back when GZ called 911 and continued his pursuit. All bets are off now. That is common sense.
Now if he notices the person he is following is young and does not appear armed it would be less likely for an altercation if he announces he has a gun. Think about it.

Great posting.

Not only that, but we know LE is obligated to warn about their firearm, whether in plain clothes OR uniform...and supposedly Zimmerman " rode with police officers on patrol because he wanted to be one of them .) " IMO
Thus he knew the procedrue so I think how he played it was cowardly and illegal. IMO

I'ts as suspicious as all get out that he refused to tell the police where they could meet him...he would ring them back he said...giving him time to do the deed he had on his mind and THEN clue them in.IMO