George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think the point my friend was making is you don't follow people with the chance of causing an altercation.

He was not trying to cause an altercation. He was trying to see if he was still around so when the police came he could tell them where he was last seen.

I don't believe he was trying to confront him.

IN FACT it shows he was trying to avoid contact.

He could have, upon seeing TM, Rolled down his window and said.. " HEY, "

But he did not. He did not approach him at all. When he was in direct light. WHY would he do this in the pitch dark?? He would not. He was not trying to hunt down TM. I think that his history shows this too. He was not a confronter. He called and let the police do their job. every time.

 

[MeeBee]

This question was asked to me as well. How far was TM's Father's girlfriend's residence from where he was killed?

Well, that's the thing. I need to look at the map a little more to get a better feel for this because it seems like either Trayvon ran and went back to confront George or he ran and stopped where he ran into George who was still pursuing him. It also seems like either George started chasing him before he stopped and went back before he found himself face to face with Trayvon where they confronted each other. Or he continued pursuing and he and Trayvon ended up face to face. I really don't know.

 

[DIBSY]

Spoke to a long time gun permit owner. He said he avoids any altercations. Always will step back or allow plenty of distance between potential trouble maker and himself.
You do not want an aggressive person close to you.
You always clearly announce you are carrying a gun ahead of time before tempers arise.

Great contribtion, Sacrablue! That's the procedure LE utilizes, " Stop, or I will shoot." It's honorable compared to sneaking about with malicious ( IMO ) intent, not identifying himself. From every description of what transpired that evening, including that of Zimmerman, he tracked Trayvon Martin down like a mad dog and shot to kill. GZ had already IDed TM as criminal and delivered his own form of " justice" a few minutes later. Then he notified LE as a matter of All in a night's work, according to the gentleman who heard the call.

GZ did just the opposite of avoiding any confrontation, he was bent on one creating one.:moo:

 

[Sonya610]

It's purely political. At this point it's painfully obvious they have no case whatsoever. People should be disbarred over this, starting with Crump, but that probably won't happen.

I agree. They also did not have a Grand Jury approve the murder indictment.
It is scary to think the state can just make up charges like this and charge someone with murder -- it could easily cause the defendant to file for bankruptcy and lose everything they (and their parents) own, not to mention utterly ruin their reputation and quite possibly even make them fear for their life from the public.

It could utterly ruin a persons life.

 

[DIBSY]

Did they really need an hour to make that point?

Well spotted. Another total drama inspired manisfestation, imo.

 

[Just K]

DW is at just about one hour to get this guy to say again that he can't tell who it is on the tape of the recording of the incident.

 

[sacrablue]

Another interesting thing I read was both girl friend of Father and GZ rented.
The profile of people living in Twin Lakes had changed radically since real estate crunch.
Values dropped from 200+ K per unit to less then 100K.

 

[missmazzy]

I agree. They also did not have a Grand Jury approve the murder indictment.
It is scary to think the state can just make up charges like this and charge someone with murder -- it could easily cause the defendant to file for bankruptcy and lose everything they (and their parents) own, not to mention utterly ruin their reputation and quite possibly even make them fear for their life from the public.

It could utterly ruin a persons life.

GZ's life is already ruined. If he is found not guilty, where does he go from there? He should lose a bunch of weight, change his name, grow a beard and move far away from FL. That's what I would do (except the part about the beard)!

 

[PaperDoll]

He was not trying to cause an altercation. He was trying to see if he was still around so when the police came he could tell them where he was last seen.

I don't believe he was trying to confront him.

IN FACT it shows he was trying to avoid contact.

He could have, upon seeing TM, Rolled down his window and said.. " HEY, "

But he did not. He did not approach him at all. When he was in direct light. WHY would he do this in the pitch dark?? He would not. He was not trying to hunt down TM. I think that his history shows this too. He was not a confronter. He called and let the police do their job. every time.

But he knew to not follow and he did anyways. He got out of the car, in the rain to find TM. He should have simply stayed in the car and let the police handle it. TM ran because he didn't like GZ watching him.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Great contribtion, Sacrablue! That's the procedure LE utilizes, " Stop, or I will shoot." It's honorable compared to sneaking about with malicious ( IMO ) intent, not identifying himself. From every description of what transpired that evening, including that of Zimmerman, he tracked Trayvon Martin down like a mad dog and shot to kill. GZ had already IDed TM as criminal and delivered his own form of " justice" a few minutes later. Then he notified LE as a matter of All in a night's work, according to the gentleman who heard the call.

GZ did just the opposite of avoiding any confrontation, he was bent on one creating one.:moo:

No proof of this at all. Pure conjecture.

 

[sacrablue]

He was not trying to cause an altercation. He was trying to see if he was still around so when the police came he could tell them where he was last seen.

I don't believe he was trying to confront him.

IN FACT it shows he was trying to avoid contact.

He could have, upon seeing TM, Rolled down his window and said.. " HEY, "

But he did not. He did not approach him at all. When he was in direct light. WHY would he do this in the pitch dark?? He would not. He was not trying to hunt down TM. I think that his history shows this too. He was not a confronter. He called and let the police do their job. every time.

I think this is the reason why 911 prefers people to make an observation and wait for police. Too easy for one thing to lead to the next. Each portion seems innocent but in totality becomes a greater chance of error or mistakes.

 

[Marah]

Who is next?

 

[?noanswer]

ME, TM's parents, Ben Crump, Rachel Jenteal etc.

Here is the defense witness list:

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-fl...es/-/14266478/19483324/-/2ssd8cz/-/index.html

BBM

I thought I heard that GZ's parents were not allowed to be in the courtroom because they are witnesses, but TM's parents got to stay because they were not going to be a witnesss?? Hasn't RJ already testified. I can't remember if she is subject to recall.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But he knew to not follow and he did anyways. He got out of the car, in the rain to find TM. He should have simply stayed in the car and let the police handle it. TM ran because he didn't like GZ watching him.

I don't think he was following him. I think he was just trying to see where he went. Maybe he was afraid he was being followed and did not want to lead this guy to his own door.

Was getting out of the car the best thing to do? Maybe not. But that does not lead to a murder charge. They collided out there. That is a fact.

But we have no proof that it happened any other way than GZ said.

And Think about it. Here he is in the middle of a courtyard in this altercation. For all he knows there are hundreds of people watching. For all he knew someone could have seen the event from start to finish. But he did not clam up, Or call for a lawyer. He starts talking ASAP and tells them what happened.

He is not going to lie. IT makes no sense.

 

[gxm]

I think the point my friend was making is you don't follow people with the chance of causing an altercation.

I don't think he was "following" him. I think he'd lost sight of him and was caught by surprise when TM reappeared. JMO, OMO, MOO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM

I thought I heard that GZ's parents were not allowed to be in the courtroom because they are witnesses, but TM's parents got to stay because they were not going to be a witnesss??

JMO

No. They got to stay because they are his family. They may be called.

 

[Chelly]

Dr just stated that best way to identify a voice is this circumstance is to have a person familiar with the voice in similar circumstance to identify the voice.

 

[Karmady]

I agree. They also did not have a Grand Jury approve the murder indictment.
It is scary to think the state can just make up charges like this and charge someone with murder -- it could easily cause the defendant to file for bankruptcy and lose everything they (and their parents) own, not to mention utterly ruin their reputation and quite possibly even make them fear for their life from the public.

It could utterly ruin a persons life.

And it has. Despicable and frightening, imo.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But he knew to not follow and he did anyways. He got out of the car, in the rain to find TM. He should have simply stayed in the car and let the police handle it. TM ran because he didn't like GZ watching him.

Maybe he should have but again that does not make it murder. It was his neighborhood. He had every right to be out there and walk around. I don't think we have any proof of what TM did. None. He was there and he was gone. His friend Rachel has a reason to be biased and also is only going on what she heard. Her alone. To me she was not a credible witness.

 

[Chelly]

BBM

I thought I heard that GZ's parents were not allowed to be in the courtroom because they are witnesses, but TM's parents got to stay because they were not going to be a witnesss?? Hasn't RJ already testified. I can't remember if she is subject to recall.

JMO

TM's parents are allowed in the court room because of Supreme Court rule. Family of victims are allowed in courtroom regardless of whether they tetify.