George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[Karmady]

Well he's a very good actor, he had me fooled. He's the polar opposite of Crump, IMO.

google around a litte and see what he was saying about this case before. It's almost comical. jmo

 

[Jane Jetson]

Interesting piece of news out of Ocala, Florida, though I doubt it carries any legal weight:

"Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint" by Larry Klayman

"OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

"The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see www.citizensgrandjury.com), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

"Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes." (snip)


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-criminally-120000903.html

 

[JeannaT]

thought there wasn't any DNA?

My guess is, there wasn't any. It sounds like this guy may be there to say there wasn't any blood evidence that could be found.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't believe it was self-defense. But, thank you for your thoughtful post. Totally agree with you on FCA! Still ticks me off that she got away with killing that sweet baby. :furious:

We must believe that some day she will pay. Either here or hereafter.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

Honestly, what is the relevance of this testimony? Besides the fact that both TM and GZ have dna?

I think they may be getting around to the presence of GZ's blood (or lack thereof?) on TM's hands, sleeves, etc.

 

[Lovelymountains]

This scenario would clear up one piece of testimony that I found confusing which was how the neighbor heard them running coming from left to right. Well, sort of because it still would not explain why they were running if the conversation took place at TM's stepmom's condo. :moo:

Yes, I agree with you but IMO there likely would have been further conversation after the initial words that RJ heard. IMO

 

[JeannaT]

Interesting piece of news out of Ocala, Florida, though I doubt it carries any legal weight:

"Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint" by Larry Klayman

"OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

"The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see www.citizensgrandjury.com), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

"Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes." (snip)


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-criminally-120000903.html

YIKES. So will this finding affect the Zimmerman trial?

 

[Love Never Fails]

interesting piece of news out of ocala, florida, though i doubt it carries any legal weight:

"zimmerman prosecutor angela corey criminally indicted by citizens' grand jury for allegedly falsifying arrest warrant and complaint" by larry klayman

"ocala, fla., july 2, 2013 /prnewswire/ -- florida state's attorney angela corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in ocala, florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to george zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of african-american teenager trayvon martin in sanford, florida.

"the indictment of corey, which was handed down last week (see www.citizensgrandjury.com), charges corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to george zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as jesse jackson and al sharpton, who whipped up wrath against zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

"following corey's criminal complaint charging zimmerman, legal experts such as harvard law professor alan dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes." (snip)


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-criminally-120000903.html

finally!!!!!!!

 

[Chester_from_THM]

Some poster had part of an article about Crump being the first one to find out about RJ and interviewed her before LE. Sorry I can't find it now to quote.

But something I have been wondering about this.

Why did LE not even think to check TMs phone on the night of the shooting?

Isn't that investigation 101?

Just more evidence of a lax investigation IMO. If the police had done their job and not just assumed GZ was justified, they could have got the info from this witness first hand, before anyone had a chance to interfere.

Sanford PD has a lot of culpability for this case becoming the cluster**** it is, IMO.

 

[Chester_from_THM]

What is a citizen's grand jury?

Is this different from any other grand jury?

 

[lillygator]

Suspensions don't mean anything, you could be suspended for chronic tardies to class. It no way shape or form implies that he was a violent "" or out of control child. If so I'm sure he'd have a juvenile record by the age of 17. No one is making him out to be a lilly but some posters are talking about him as if he were some type of hood gangbanging dude. NOT THE CASE. He was a regular teenager who, like every single teenager on this planet, got into a little trouble. Name me one perfect teenager and I'll make you the Queen of England.

I was not a perfect teenager but I was NEVER suspended from school, neither were any of my friends. I was also never caught with stolen property or with burgularizing tools.....regular teenagers do not get suspended from school. I don't believe in the "all teens get into some kind of trouble along the way" that is just absurd imo.

That's interesting re Corey indictment....

 

[Nezumi]

Bombshell tonight! George Zimmerman's dna is on the pistol grip of his gun! :eyeroll: Yes, I know. The point they're making is that TM did not grab the grip. But, IIRC, the testimony was that TM *tried* to grab it...not that he succeeded.

 

[lisasalinger]

Ok, here goes my first GZ post... don't hurt me

In my opinion, Captain Carter, the instructor on the stand this morning, was another epic fail for the prosecution. They brought this guy in to briefly testify that he had covered the stand your ground topic in his class, in an effort to prove to the jury that George understood that law (showing that he either lied or misspoke in the Hannity interview).

I think this totally backfired on them. I feel that this was a somewhat desperate attempt by the prosecution to make it appear as if George fabricated this whole self defense thing because he was so knowledgeable about it. In my eyes, that is a big reach. This event happened in a matter of moments and his immediate accounts of what happened have lined up with the witness accounts. John Good, the closest witness to the scene, and seemingly very credible guy, was able to immediately back up pretty much everything that George claimed. If I were on that jury, I would not buy that George randomly saw Trayvon that night, immediately decided he was going to kill him, got out of his car in pursuit and in a matter of minutes created this self defense plan in his head. Not only is there no evidence to support that, which they need, but logically my mind cannot accept that theory.

George getting out of his car to keep an eye on the suspicious person and ascertain an address (whether you believe that story or not) is not adequate proof in my eyes to show that he maliciously murdered that suspicious person.

If he wanted to kill somebody that night, would he really have called the emergency line first? He knew they were on their way. He knew people were watching him - he immediately said that in his statement. If you really want to intentionally kill somebody, surely these are not the best conditions to do it in. And if he is so adequately educated in criminal law as the prosecution is trying to put forth, then even more so he surely would know this is not the best way to commit a crime.

The defense very masterfully used this witness to school the jury on the Florida laws of self defense. Yes, I understand that the law will be read by the judge at the end of the trial prior to deliberation, and that is what the jury needs to consider, but wow I thought it was some powerful stuff to hear it from this instructor. Everything he said fits with what George allegedly did.

All along prior to this trial, I have wanted there to be a clear picture of what happened that night so that Trayvon's family could get some peace and justice. I went in to this trial with my mind and ears completely wide open, honestly thinking that George had some serious explaining to do. I can honestly say right now, I have rarely seen such a weak prosecution case in my life. If I was on that jury, I could very comfortably say not guilty to these charges. I believe that George should be acquitted. This is based on what I know from trial, not what I have heard in the media.

Thank you for hearing my opinions. :seeya:

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

Interesting piece of news out of Ocala, Florida, though I doubt it carries any legal weight:

"Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint" by Larry Klayman

Is this some organization that has serious power?

 

[greycoupon]

Did they need 40 minutes of set up to get to these questions? I know DNA is important but this stuff kind of makes my eyes glaze over. I'd be a bad juror.

Can't imagine how they will finish today. I'm guessing the ME will be up there for hours.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

What is white hispanic? I never heard of this term before this trial- could it be a way of saying hispanic mix?? Wasn't gz mom hispanic and dad white?

But then he had african american also in his family tree? most people have many colors in their families.
MOO

Well it's a way for the media to imply the killing was racially motivated, and give their story more drama. Same thing with putting the picture of GZ in jail clothes next to an picture of a 12/13 year old TM, photoshopping TM's picture, etc. to influence peoples' emotions. They did this quite successfully imo. All imo.

 

[Sonya610]

Well, a white father and Hispanic mother can certainly be construed as being a white Hispanic.

There are also lots of white South Americans with Spanish ancestors, they would be classified as Caucasian yet self identify as Hispanic because of their culture and language.

There is no "hispanic" dna category.

 

[ArianeEmory]

What is a citizen's grand jury?

Is this different from any other grand jury?

Yes, very much so. The hint is that the article was released by a PR firm and links to a site with a donation button.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Lets make sure we are sticking to the trial and such...

Post only legitimate links and make sure to post IMO JMO MOO!

WE want our thread to stay open!!!

I need you people!!


OMO

 

[Overuled]

This has been a witchhunt, it always has been. This story was framed by the media at the very beginning and because of that, people have developed preconceived notions as to what did and did not happen without any regard to the truth. At the end of the day nobody can prove that GZ intentionally or wanted to gun down TM. There are theories galore, but no proof. GZ was judged guilty simply by saying what he did on the 911 call 'they always get away' and getting out of his car. Everything after that is flat out guessing. This case ultimately proves that a 28 year old with a gun does not automatically make someone a gun crazed killed just like a 17 year old unarmed male isn't the most innocent person would wouldn't harm a fly.

I think IMO that "they always get away" is something that happened often in that area~ someone would be seen as suspious and by the time an officer showed up the person was long gone- right?

I think what the deal is is the word "they"- some folks have once again made a label an attached it to the word "they"

I heard quite a few people at neighborhood watch meetings say things like punks, theives, sneeks, thugs etc when describing the people that break in and rob homes. It doesn't matter what color they are because they're all colors of the rainbow. Sometimes they get away too.
MOO