NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

[Denis R Tandib]

Apologies I uploaded the wrong video

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This is an old clip. HCW was again spruiking that CB is the murderer of MM and he doesn’t know if they need more evidence… intimating that they have enough. Completely devoid of scruples or credibility.

 

[RichardKimble]

Have updated would be in interested in how you view HCW use of words and mannerism.

He's been saying that for nigh on 5 yrs and so sure is he ,he says the end is not in sight, no intention of charges any time soon.

January 2025

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: "There is currently no prospect of an indictment in the Maddie case.

"As things stand, the accused Christian B's imprisonment will end in early September."

Madeleine McCann suspect won't face charges for foreseeable future, prosecutor tells Sky News

Christian B is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. He is coming to the end of his jail sentence for the rape of an elderly American woman.

news.sky.com

 

[frank-cole]

Have updated would be in interested in how you view HCW use of words and mannerism.

IMO The alt’ers are just fighting the cause, nothing the Germans have or do will convince them, irrespective of what the evidence is.

A pdf who is obsessed with abducting little blond girls was near the apartment a little blond girl went missing from.

But those flip-flops & that Lisbon treaty….

Those are the levels & unfortunately I don’t see a point where the 2 levels combine.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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A pdf who is obsessed with abducting little blond girls was near the apartment a little blond girl went missing from.

But those flip-flops & that Lisbon treaty….

Those are the levels & unfortunately I don’t see a point where the 2 levels combine.

But the POI has no form for abduction or attempted abduction or abusing stranger victims.

Was he near the apartment when she went missing? All we know for sure is that a pay-as-you-go phone, linked to CB at some point unknown, triggered a tower in PDL - could have been up to 35km away.

Many of your points suffer from confirmation bias.

The facts on-the-other-hand suggest that CB abducting MM that night is one in hundreds of scenarios that could gave happened. Until there is something material connecting the two, an open mind is appropriate.

 

[frank-cole]

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But the POI has no form for abduction or attempted abduction or abusing stranger victims.

Was he near the apartment when she went missing? All we know for sure is that a pay-as-you-go phone, linked to CB at some point unknown, triggered a tower in PDL - could have been up to 35km away.

Many of your points suffer from confirmation bias.

The facts on-the-other-hand suggest that CB abducting MM that night is one in hundreds of scenarios that could gave happened. Until there is something material connecting the two, an open mind is appropriate.

If the Germans have a photograph of a deceased MM found on CB’s hard dive. Will you accept that the McCann’s have been innocent all along?

A simple yes or no will suffice

 

[Megnut]

If they had a video of CB committing any of these crimes but it was obtained without a warrant, it would be inadmissible, just as we saw. It doesn't erase it. It just can't be used in any courtroom.

Doesn't mean people wouldn't have seen it (in my example of video, photographic proof).

It can't be used to convict but it can be used to convince.

Moreover, I think LE thought they had a powerful lead and fair chance of finding MM's remains or additional evidence at his campsite. No pressure to arrest prematurely since he was already incarcerated, with the other trial looming.

I personally believe the prosecution expected CB to be found guilty and did not think they'd be hamstrung, unable to use all of their evidence, a late ruling that came mid trial iirc.

Losing not because he's innocent. Losing on a technicality.

JMO

 

[RichardKimble]

If the Germans have a photograph of a deceased MM found on CB’s hard dive. Will you accept that the McCann’s have been innocent all along?

A simple yes or no will suffice

Depends on how a hypothetical photo came into being, besides there's no indication an image exists.The system seems to be determined to keep CB in jail with latest news regarding prison staff, if the hypothetical were to exist do you really think much lesser charges prevail.Some speculate the recent trial was a test case, seriously! putting witnesses and especially HaB as a victim through some kind of test case would be heartless at best to test suspect evidence.

 

[RichardKimble]

If they had a video of CB committing any of these crimes but it was obtained without a warrant, it would be inadmissible, just as we saw. It doesn't erase it. It just can't be used in any courtroom.

Doesn't mean people wouldn't have seen it (in my example of video, photographic proof).

It can't be used to convict but it can be used to convince.

Moreover, I think LE thought they had a powerful lead and fair chance of finding MM's remains or additional evidence at his campsite. No pressure to arrest prematurely since he was already incarcerated, with the other trial looming.

I personally believe the prosecution expected CB to be found guilty and did not think they'd be hamstrung, unable to use all of their evidence, a late ruling that came mid trial iirc.

Losing not because he's innocent. Losing on a technicality.

JMO

The MM case should be a stand alone.

 

[Davieson]

I feel that if such photos existed, then at some point it would have been all over the Dark web and picked up by police who constantly search these sites for child abuse images. From there it would only be a short hop to leaking it to journalist.
That there has been no such leak suggests that there is no such photo.

 

[frank-cole]

If they had a video of CB committing any of these crimes but it was obtained without a warrant, it would be inadmissible, just as we saw. It doesn't erase it. It just can't be used in any courtroom.

Doesn't mean people wouldn't have seen it (in my example of video, photographic proof).

It can't be used to convict but it can be used to convince.

Moreover, I think LE thought they had a powerful lead and fair chance of finding MM's remains or additional evidence at his campsite. No pressure to arrest prematurely since he was already incarcerated, with the other trial looming.

I personally believe the prosecution expected CB to be found guilty and did not think they'd be hamstrung, unable to use all of their evidence, a late ruling that came mid trial iirc.

Losing not because he's innocent. Losing on a technicality.

JMO

I agree 100%.

IMO the most devastating scenario is for the prosecution to announce that they have pictures or videos but the evidence being inadmissible due the way it was obtained therefore the public will know what happened but there’d be no justice.

What we’ll see on the thread & amongst the gossip clubs won’t be acceptance it’ll be words along the tone of ‘not convicted therefore didn’t happen’… If that scenario happens that type of rhetoric will be the next phase of fighting the cause.

We saw it ref HB case - with claims he didn’t do it because there wasn’t a conviction.. however the scar Hazel was completely right about, the face mask with eyes cut out, evidence of CB in tights - are all things that were in evidence but deemed inadmissible.

The amount we know now certainly adds a lot of material to a CB specific sleuthing thread.

 

[frank-cole]

I feel that if such photos existed, then at some point it would have been all over the Dark web and picked up by police who constantly search these sites for child abuse images. From there it would only be a short hop to leaking it to journalist.
That there has been no such leak suggests that there is no such photo.

Perhaps you’re right but you didn’t answer the question.

I think at some point the public will be made aware that they have photographic evidence that MM is dead & it was found amongst CB’s belongings. I think that will be more than enough to close the door on conspiracy theories. However I fear that it won’t. I sincerely hope it wouldn’t create a fresh wave of trolling towards the family.

 

[frank-cole]

Depends on how a hypothetical photo came into being, besides there's no indication an image exists.The system seems to be determined to keep CB in jail with latest news regarding prison staff, if the hypothetical were to exist do you really think much lesser charges prevail.Some speculate the recent trial was a test case, seriously! putting witnesses and especially HaB as a victim through some kind of test case would be heartless at best to test suspect evidence.

I think they found a picture of MM deceased amongst CB’s belongings.

IMO abusing and assaulting people should be prosecuted. Which is why I think it’s right that he’s being tried for how he treated the staff at the prison.

Inadmissibility of evidence tanked the last trial imo. Especially now we’ve seen some of the box factory finds I that the judge wouldn’t allow.

Let’s say I hear a phone ringing non-stop and I go into my neighbours garden and see it underneath his flower pot. It turns out to be a stolen phone. My neighbour is a previously convicted thief. I call the police they jump the fence and retrieve the phone. Unfortunately it ends up that they can’t prosecute him because the police obtained the evidence illegally.

Does that somehow mean that my neighbour never had a stolen phone in his garden?

At least the stolen phone gets returned so the owner has the answer to where it went.

 

[Davieson]

My post wasn't an answer to your question, but to do so, it would depend on circumstances.

If such a photo exists, how did it come into his possession ?
If linked to his camera - ( there must have been a camera at some point) - then CB is clearly and intimately involved.
If, however, it was downloaded from some other source, as were many of his pornographic collection, then that is not evidence of his involvement.

I don't see that McCann can be automatically excluded from either scenario, without resolution of exactly how and when MM was taken from the apartment.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If the Germans have a photograph of a deceased MM found on CB’s hard dive. Will you accept that the McCann’s have been innocent all along?

A simple yes or no will suffice

I responded to this up thread.

 

[frank-cole]

My post wasn't an answer to your question, but to do so, it would depend on circumstances.

If such a photo exists, how did it come into his possession ?
If linked to his camera - ( there must have been a camera at some point) - then CB is clearly and intimately involved.
If, however, it was downloaded from some other source, as were many of his pornographic collection, then that is not evidence of his involvement.

I don't see that McCann can be automatically excluded from either scenario, without resolution of exactly how and when MM was taken from the apartment.

That’s a big dose of that confirmation bias you mentioned.

What if there’s also a written confession by CB, where he admitted he’s responsible?

 

[Davieson]

That sounds like one heck of reach & big dose of that confirmation bias you mentioned.

A man obsessed with kidnapping blond girls, near the OC that night with a picture of a deceased blond girl that went missing from the OC.

Tbh I’m not trying to convince you & although antis are motivated to curtail CB sleuthing, I am absolutely fascinated by how people will maintain that agenda.

I didn't mention confirmation bias - that was someone else.
Until there is clear evidence that such photos exist, were found in CB's possession and demonstrated to have been created on his camera, all else is conjecture.

 

[RichardKimble]

It's all press speculation and forumnites, HCW hasn't given an indication of what his concrete is that won't set.Remember when SY added 2+2 and made 5, HCW had to correct that with there's no forensics, digital media falls under forensics, the hard drives are hard drives containing digital media.

 

[frank-cole]

It's all press speculation and forumnites, HCW hasn't given an indication of what his concrete is that won't set.Remember when SY added 2+2 and made 5, HCW had to correct that with there's no forensics, digital media falls under forensics, the hard drives are hard drives containing digital media.

So you think the prosecution are classing pictures and videos as forensic evidence?

Would be an interesting reach and play on words.

 

[Davieson]

So pictures and videos are forensic evidence?

Unless they exist, they are no sort of evidence at all.

 

[frank-cole]

Unless they exist, they are no sort of evidence at all.

That’s true. If they don’t exist they won’t be the concrete evidence.

CB is a non preferential serial offender with a history of assaulting stranger women and children. He also has history of taking images of his crimes.

If he followed his form it may be unfortunately be the evidence in the Mm case.