Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[onemoremiletogo]

Why is 25% of a thread about CB, trying to curtail speculation about CB?

What could possibly be the motivation?

Some speculate that it might not have been him. More, also speculate that could have been someone else...

 

[frank-cole]

I hope you can concede that they are less certain today than they were in 2020.
No, may be even the opposite. Again, doesn't bring charges does not mean they have more doubts about the culprit. They may still have doubts about some pieces of the puzzle. Not that CB is involved.

They were not able to get something more. Less hope now but...maybe not impossible.
IMO they went unprepared/insufficient for the recent other cases.
A double-edged sword for them: they experimented all challenges of a trial (other cases) which may inhibit them towards MM, but they have the additional pressure of knowing that CB will get free in months...It seems a go or go for them. But they can't loose the ONLY chance they have.
I see very very difficult they risk "to loose" it. I see very difficult CB surviving out there. But he can't disappear prior to this puzzle is solved...

Yes. Not forgetting that 3 LEA’s are all investigating CB as the sole prime suspect.

I can imagine a parody with 3 units of murder detectives in 3 countries looking at the floor like Truman show extras, a tumbleweed rolls by, at Christmas they sometimes look up & play countdown numbers games with different variations of CB’s mobile ‘ping’ number. All units have a deviant lead investigator or prosecutor who sits in a poorly lit office chuckling menacingly as he counts swag bags of stolen silver.

Or… they’re all funding multimillion pound/euro investigations because they have very good reason to.

 

[Davieson]

Some speculate that it might not have been him. More, also speculate that could have been someone else...

The two go together. If it wasn't him, it has to be someone else.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Probably because speculation without facts is pretty much a waste of time.

Well, as others, you are still here for so long. Also speculating that it might not have been him. More, also speculating that could have been someone else...More, also speculating about HCW doing his best to undermine his own credibility.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The two go together. If it wasn't him, it has to be someone else.

If...if...if... Who then?!

 

[frank-cole]

Well, as others, you are still here for so long. Also speculating that it might not have been him. More, also speculating that could have been someone else...More, also speculating about HCW doing his best to undermine his own credibility.

People have been speculating about the case since the disappearance. Unfortunately this happened at the dawn of social media & false information spread quickly. 18 years of speculation & counting. Frequent fliers will have been part of clubs predating CB’s investigation by years & will still be part of them now.

The difference is that the speculation is about somebody other than…. Hence le’resistance. The type of resistance that rarely exists in any other thread about any other suspect for any other crime.

Speculate for 14 years & then take issue with speculation about CB on a thread about CB.

What could possibly be the reason for the hypocrisy? What’s different?

 

[Mex]

The following was raised at the recent trial. Mystifying though whatever the reasons why are tremendously obscure. Quite obviously there is absolutely nothing there of any relevance to the matters in hand involving the prosecution of vicious rapes and sexual abuse of minors.

My purpose in raising it is to give an indication of police procedures as they are and not as some think they are.
It is naïve to imagine that investigators have much say about who or what they should investigate. They can only act on information received in most cases; particularly when information concerns the dark denizens of the world of paedophilia.
The rest is following evidence until there is nothing left to follow.

The phone line mentioned in court had been in existence since 2011. One surmises quite a few calls were left over that period, some anonymous and some not.

As in this case the content would be routinely checked and appropriate enquiries would follow. This process would result in individuals being eliminated from inquiries or becoming persons of interest and subject to deeper investigation. By definition, that process was put into action resulting in CB becoming the only suspect of three national police forces.
That situation could only occur if the back-up evidence was present and strong enough to justify building a case.
This was is only time this has happened since the inauguration of the contact number in 2022, if anyone else was suspected in the past they have been ruled out; CB hasn't been.

Perhaps if the Braunschweig court had paid more attention to the remit of the five criminal offences offences as they should have been instead of playing cops and robbers with a case they knew nothing about and which was none of their concern, we might be a bit further down the road to justice than we are now.

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DC D, 49, told the court that CB’s former friend, HB, who knew him in the Algarve in the mid-2000s, gave officers a tip-off. HB claimed the German told him during a conversation that "she did not scream" when the pair discussed M.

"Back then we still had a public phone number which was publicised around the world," DC D said. "Members of the public could ring in information in relation to Operation Grange, the MM investigation. One of my jobs was to check the answer phone messages. On May 18, I checked the answer phone and there was a message.

"It was from a male by the sound of his voice, he spoke good English and he asked to speak to DE (private investigator). He said he had information and he left a Greek mobile number. I then rang this Greek mobile number and spoke to a male I now know to be H L B. He referred to himself as L and he gave information in relation to the M M investigation."

DC D shared the information with German and Portuguese authorities, sparking the probe into CB.

Maddie McCann suspect's dark past and sick crimes as he could be freed next year

Convicted sex offender Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance, has been cleared of all charges in an unrelated rape trial in Germany

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[onemoremiletogo]

People have been speculating about the case since the disappearance. Unfortunately this happened at the dawn of social media & false information spread quickly. 18 years of speculation & counting. Frequent fliers will have been part of clubs predating CB’s investigation by years & will still be part of them now.

The difference is that the speculation is about somebody other than…. Hence le’resistance. The type of resistance that rarely exists in any other thread about any other suspect for any other crime.

Speculate for 14 years & then take issue with speculation about CB on a thread about CB.

What could possibly be the reason for the hypocrisy? What’s different?

Perhaps that resistance and the anti-HCW posture may mean some people prefer or still think / still stick to a divergent narrative (different from CB) of different culprits even though I may find it as beyond implausible to not say worst.

Hard to believe but, for instance, GA let all know about his rocambolesque and conspirational theory. So many children in so many freezers in one jurisdiction...

 

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[RichardKimble]

Perhaps that resistance and the anti-HCW posture may mean some people prefer or still think / still stick to a divergent narrative (different from CB) of different culprits even though I may find it as beyond implausible to not say worst.

Hard to believe but, for instance, GA let all know about his rocambolesque and conspirational theory. So many children in so many freezers in one jurisdiction...

Some of us are not wedded to any particular theory certainly not Amarals nor HCW not least of which all he's said are words ,and nothing of substance, at least Amaral produced a theory.But the thread is not about them it's about CB going to trial on separate unrelated offences.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes. Not forgetting that 3 LEA’s are all investigating CB as the sole prime suspect.

I can imagine a parody with 3 units of murder detectives in 3 countries looking at the floor like Truman show extras, a tumbleweed rolls by, at Christmas they sometimes look up & play countdown numbers games with different variations of CB’s mobile ‘ping’ number. All units have a deviant lead investigator or prosecutor who sits in a poorly lit office chuckling menacingly as he counts swag bags of stolen silver.

Or… they’re all funding multimillion pound/euro investigations because they have very good reason to.

Are you describing the search at Arade?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Some of us are not wedded to any particular theory certainly not Amarals nor HCW not least of which all he's said are words ,and nothing of substance, at least Amaral produced a theory.But the thread is not about them it's about CB going to trial on separate unrelated offences.

We’ve seen the evidence for the other cases, and importantly, he was found not guilty. Based on this, there is no reason to believe there is a strong case against him for MM.

 

[frank-cole]

Change their public opinion? No, I think they will not change their public neither private opinion. They are not distrust themselves or their work. Also, no other signal or different routes (or a miracle occasional alibi!) appeared.
The question is not the trivial assumption if charges do not come, so CB is not the culprit. It's just not that really.
They know they "have" the right man.

If they decide to list their concrete evidence in summary post charging it could effectively end the ‘who-done-it’ question. If he has photos of MM post abduction, then the majority of the public would think he was responsible. Obviously the clubs ‘fighting the cause’ wouldn't accept that. It’ll be about holding on to any strand that CB’s defence will bring & hoping it results in no charge, therefore clearing the way for ‘business as usual’. I never understand why the people ‘here for Madeleine’ are the very people

Are you describing the search at Arade?

The more searches the better. Looking for Madeleine is a good thing, Denis.

 

[frank-cole]

Some of us are not wedded to any particular theory certainly not Amarals nor HCW not least of which all he's said are words ,and nothing of substance, at least Amaral produced a theory.But the thread is not about them it's about CB going to trial on separate unrelated offences.

Amaral’s theory is senseless, unfortunately the ‘noise’ came at the dawn of social media. Some were easily-led in, felt validated in a ‘community’ & identified within it. Very challenging to change the mind of somebody who feels like they are part of a movement.

Stranger abduction was always the only plausible scenario, so it’s no surprise the prime suspect was a stranger. But it’s devastating that the suspect is what CB is.

My opinion

 

[mrjitty]

We’ve seen the evidence for the other cases, and importantly, he was found not guilty. Based on this, there is no reason to believe there is a strong case against him for MM.

That's my worry as well.

 

[Mex]

We’ve seen the evidence for the other cases, and importantly, he was found not guilty. Based on this, there is no reason to believe there is a strong case against him for MM.

In the absence of verbatim court transcripts it cannot be said that we have either seen or heard the evidence against CB in relation to the rapes and sexual assaults with which he was charged.

We don't even have an accurate chronology of the events from one stage of the somewhat lengthy trial to the next; due in part to the unfamiliar style of reporting the events.

Neither has the trial verdict been ratified until the appeal court decides whether or not to allow the requested appeal against the verdict which if successful, will require a new trial.

 

[Davieson]

We’ve seen the evidence for the other cases, and importantly, he was found not guilty. Based on this, there is no reason to believe there is a strong case against him for MM.

Convicted or not, at least we'll see what the evidence amounts to.

 

[frank-cole]

In the absence of verbatim court transcripts it cannot be said that we have either seen or heard the evidence against CB in relation to the rapes and sexual assaults with which he was charged.

We don't even have an accurate chronology of the events from one stage of the somewhat lengthy trial to the next; due in part to the unfamiliar style of reporting the events.

Neither has the trial verdict been ratified until the appeal court decides whether or not to allow the requested appeal against the verdict which if successful, will require a new trial.

I think CB shared in some of the confidence in the 07 PJ. But actually for non-irrational reasons. He knew they would never catch him & he was absolutely right.

I don’t think CB leaving his home of 12 years shortly after 3/05/07 is just an additional coincidence.

I also don’t think CB re-registering his car on 4/05/07 is a further additional coincidence.

 

[Davieson]

I look forward to seeing how the prosecution bring these coincidences into their case.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Some of us are not wedded to any particular theory certainly not Amarals nor HCW not least of which all he's said are words ,and nothing of substance, at least Amaral produced a theory.But the thread is not about them it's about CB going to trial on separate unrelated offences.

At least HCW (BKA) is also involved in the separate cases.
At least trying to give justice to the victims.
At least Amaral produced a theory...better not even comment that.