Germany Germany - Rebecca Reusch, 15, Berlin, 18 Feb 2019 *Arrest*

[Elainera]

I am wondering where he took RR?...

Maybe she's still in the building. Maybe in the basement. Is a suitcase missing from the apartment?

 

[Scrapper18]

Germany does not have the death penalty and a murder charge would get him 17-18 years. Police could make deals.

Detailed version in English

RSBM - wow, only 17-18 years???

 

[Elainera]

How long do they have now until they have to charge him? How long can they hold him without charge?

 

[Jim_M]

the sister would have heard him come in , go out and come in again thought wouldn’t she ? BIL doesn’t appear to need much sleep then if he gets in 5:45 and gets up again 7:15

Sorry I wasn't clear in my thoughts. Sister (Jessica) would have been sleeping (Sunday night) when her husband (BIL) removed RR from the house. Then he would have been returning at 5:45am.

I cannot picture him doing this in broad daylight, before his wife and daughter would return home on Monday afternoon. Someone had a much better chance of seeing him up to no good at that time. Unless he is sinister, as well as brazen?

Another question comes to mind from that. Who picked up their daughter at the daycare?

 

[The Night Watchman]

I always wondered if he really did come home and was inebriated, which lead to a sexual assault and coverup. This is an interesting thought, though.

I think this is what happened. I doubt he came home that night with a plan to kill; things started bad and got worse, IMO.

 

[worldwatcher]

So big sister / wife heard nothing ...., ?

We all here discussing the TL and in the meanwhile ...I read this:
"Jessica, the sister of the teenage girl, saw her for the last time on Monday, February 18, when Rebecca left for school around 7 o’clock. Very early, Jessica noticed that morning. “The school is about four kilometers away and she went by bus”, says the concerned twenties to the German newspaper Bild."

Seems like some MSM should verify the given info first...
Google Translate

 

[otto]

"The penalty for Totschlag (intentional homicide, otherwise) is five to fifteen years in prison and in especially grave cases lifetime imprisonment (minimum sentence 15 years). Especially grave cases are very rare, because usually such case already fall under Mord (§ 211).

In lesser cases (minderschwerer Fall, § 213 [7]) of Totschlag the prison sentence is one to ten years. The law itself gives one example for a minor case: the killing due to the provocation of the killed person, e.g. if the killed person has beaten the offender or one of his relatives or has severely insulted them and the killer acted under the influence of great anger. Thus, the lesser case of manslaughter roughly corresponds to common-law voluntary manslaughter."

Additional links here:
Murder in German law - Wikipedia

 

[cybervampira]

If he's young enough, he will be viewed as worthy of rehabilitation. If she has been murdered, isn't it a maximum of 7 years with the last couple of years a transition back to the community?

We have Jugendstrafrecht (for minors) and Erwachsenenstraffecht (for adults), and the sentences for minors usually are lower, IIRC 10-15 years max for murder. In Germany, LWOP doesn‘t mean you leave prison in a box but ”Lebenslänglich“ means after 15 years you are eligible for probation.

We do have something called ”Lebenslang mit anschließender Sicherungsverwahrung“ which is usually reserved for serial killers or people who cannot be rehabilitated. This means they remain locked up for life.

 

[otto]

We have Jugendtrafrecht (for minors) and Erwachsenenstraffecht (for adults), and the sentences for minors usually are lower, IIRC 10-15 years max for murder. In Germany, LWOP doesn‘t mean you leave prison in a box but ”Lebenslänglich“ means after 15 years you are eligible for probation.

We do have something called ”Lebenslang mit anschließender Sicherungsverwahrung“ which is usually reserved for serial killers or people who cannot be rehabilitated. This means they remain locked up for life.

If he had been drinking, and presumably there is ample remorse, I would expect this to be a lower sentence.

 

[Dre]

Besides the obvious circumstancial timeline, have they said anything about evidence against the BIL? Did they search the house? How did the grey top connect to him? While I’m very glad he was looked at more closely and arrested, im wondering what/when they decided he was in fact the perp? Did they talk to his work? So many questions. It was so sad to see the sister seemingly defend him a bit out of her own need for denial. I feel terribly for the family, but the worst for her after all of this.

 

[worldwatcher]

How long do they have now until they have to charge him? How long can they hold him without charge?

48 hours...at least in NL..I think....?
In the EU should be equal..I believe

 

[worldwatcher]

Besides the obvious circumstancial timeline, have they said anything about evidence against the BIL? Did they search the house? How did the grey top connect to him? While I’m very glad he was looked at more closely and arrested, im wondering what/when they decided he was in fact the perp? Did they talk to his work? So many questions. It was so sad to see the sister seemingly defend him a bit out of her own need for denial. I feel terribly for the family, but the worst for her after all of this.

It was said in the article above that LE searched parents and sisters house but I havent checked this with German media...they found nothing
"Detective searched the environment with the help of fifty volunteers, police dogs and infrared technology. There was also a house search in the apartment of Jessica and the house of the parents. Without results, police told German media."
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[cybervampira]

48 hours...at least in NL..I think....?
In the EU should be equal..I believe

With a judge order (Untersuchungshaft) up to 6 months in Germany. Can be extended (doesn’t happen often).

 

[worldwatcher]

With a judge order (Untersuchungshaft) up to 6 months in Germany. Can be extended (doesn’t happen often).

Enough time then.

 

[otto]

With a judge order (Untersuchungshaft) up to 6 months in Germany. Can be extended (doesn’t happen often).

Is questioning done without a lawyer present, and is there an extension to detention based on the discovery of evidence and probable cause - 48 hours to an additional 5 days to 2 weeks and so on?

 

[Elainera]

If he had been drinking, and presumably there is ample remorse, I would expect this to be a lower sentence.

But he doesn't seem to be cooperating now. Doesn't look like he's remorseful. He's fooled the whole family for 10 agonizing days.

 

[cybervampira]

Is questioning done without a lawyer present, and is there an extension to detention based on the discovery of evidence and probable cause - 48 hours to an additional 5 days to 2 weeks and so on?

He can be questioned but has the right to a lawyer at any time. Usually, AFAIK with probable cause, the detainee is presented to a Haftrichter (arraignment judge) the next day. Judge then decides if Untersuchungshaft (pretrial detention) applies.

 

[worldwatcher]

Here is more about the case:
Investigation success in the case of the missing Rebecca Reusch (15): Berlin police detained "one person", it should be the brother-in-law.

In the case of missing 15-year-old Rebecca Reusch , the police arrested one person on Thursday. This was reported by the authorities in the early afternoon. It should act according to an unconfirmed report of the "Bild" newspaper to the brother-in-law of the 15-year-olds. "We have a suspect," said a spokesman.

The suspicion that Rebecca victim of a criminal offense, had hardened after extensive investigations, they said. Details did not make the police. The arrested person will continue to be heard, said a police spokesman.

The investigators have until Friday evening, the allegation against the man condense so much that the prosecutor can raise a so-called urgent suspicion. Then an arrest warrant and pre-trial detention could be applied for. Otherwise, the investigators would have to release the man until Friday, 23.59 clock again. Rebecca's brother-in-law had been questioned by the police twice before, and he had been suspected of social networks as well.
Read futher> Verdacht auf Straftat: Festnahme im Fall der vermissten Rebecca - Berlin - Tagesspiegel Mobil

 

[otto]

He can be questioned but has the right to a lawyer at any time. Usually, AFAIK with probable cause, the detainee is presented to a Haftrichter (arraignment judge) the next day. Judge then decides if Untersuchungshaft (pretrial detention) applies.

In Canada, the in Aruba (NL law), someone who is detained has access to a lawyer, but the lawyer does not sit with the detained person during interrogation. I think that's how it is in the UK as well.

 

[cybervampira]

In Canada, the in Aruba (NL law), someone who is detained has access to a lawyer, but the lawyer does not sit with the detained person during interrogation. I think that's how it is in the UK as well.

After watching all episodes of 24 hours in police custody (I‘m a fan), I think I can say without a doubt that a lawyer can be present during interrogation in the UK. MOO.