I think they’ve probably seen Florian convicted already by the public and media and they are scurrying to come up with anything at all to help cast doubt so Florian can come home and also so they can prove to themselves that he wasn’t a part of this... grasping at straws
Germany Germany - Rebecca Reusch, 15, Berlin, 18 Feb 2019 *Arrest*
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She is a 15 year old girl which means her friends know a whole hell of a lot more than her parents do anyhow, hopefully they really did interview her friends at least her bestie!!!!
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This case is baffling. Disappeared without a trace. It seems the police are pursuing a narrow field of investigation and unless there are indications that the brother-in-law has/had the ability to pull this off, then I’d be interested to know what other lines of enquiry are active.
I had a thought - what if this is not a homicide, but an abduction using a vehicle? I read about the Jaycee Dugard case where suspicion initially fell on the father and stepfather. After the stepfather witnessed her abduction. Even with the absence of witnesses of RR, I hope LE are investigating known offenders in the region, basements, remote houses etc.
From what I read there is no register for the whole of Germany, only at state-level so perhaps a neighbouring state is a good place to start?
I had a thought - what if this is not a homicide, but an abduction using a vehicle? I read about the Jaycee Dugard case where suspicion initially fell on the father and stepfather. After the stepfather witnessed her abduction. Even with the absence of witnesses of RR, I hope LE are investigating known offenders in the region, basements, remote houses etc.
From what I read there is no register for the whole of Germany, only at state-level so perhaps a neighbouring state is a good place to start?
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They are so firmly behind the son in law , why would you be so certain? I feel like something has been left out BIG TIME. JMO
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It is a pity, that LE waited a few days, before the investigation started. I guess that a lot of time is wasted, so I do understand that Rs family feels frustrated with that. I can understand that..
As for BIl, seems odd that he was intoxicated that morning when he came back from a work party, imo,when you are drunk you make a lot of mistakes and if he was involved in her disappearance, he could cover his mistakes the next following days, when the report of Rebecca's dispearence wasn't taken by LE, because of the waiting days protocol?
A lot of tracks could be erased in these days...
In the media, there is now a mention of a Renault Twingo with the same color:
'But in Storkow in Brandenburg there is a second Twingo in the eye-catching color. Since 2014, Melitta Lehfeld from Görsdorf has also been at the doorstep of such a car, reports bild.de. Only the license plate distinguishes the vehicles. So it could be that the cars were confused by witnesses. However, Mrs. Lehfeld's husband emphasizes to the picture that her car has not been driven frequently in recent weeks. The Twingo is only used for shopping or when Mrs. Lehfeld visits her
family.
In the last few days the police searched a hundred people in a forest area in Kummersdorf, a neighboring village of Lehfelds. That alerted her. It could come to confusion. On the forest road, which the police searched for a clue, the Lehfeld's car was not on the way, the husband said.
However, the Berlin murder commission is aware that there is a second Twingo. However, it is not clear whether the car was confused with the information already received.'
Rebecca Reusch vermisst: Ist die Twingo-Sichtung großes Missverständnis? | Welt
It seems to me, that it is come to... a lot of speculation from the media, because the family on, one side and the LE on the other side.
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Today the family says they did tell police about "Max" right from the start:
"His daughter had met shortly before her disappearance someone on the Internet , with whom she wanted to meet. The 15-year-old told her mother. "My wife told Rebecca that she wants to be there," Bernd Reusch told the Berliner Morgenpost. The unknown should be called Max or Maximilian. Rebecca is said to have met him via Instagram on the Internet. The profile of the unknown has since 20 February been deleted. Bernd Reusch suspects that his daughter wanted to meet him on the day of her disappearance. "We have also communicated this to the police from the beginning," said Bernd Reusch to this newspaper. Why the investigators still consider Florian R. to be urgently suspect, he could not understand."
Response from LE:
"The new details brought to the public by the family, in turn, make investigators shake their heads. "It is not helpful to give details of exclusive reports to the public," police sources said on demand. The investigators are in a dilemma. Because unlike the parents, the authority can not comment publicly on the proceedings in an ongoing investigation, because that could torpedo a later trial.
Faced with the allegation of unilateral investigations, people familiar with the case respond with incomprehension. "You do not seriously believe that experienced murder investigators would ignore clues that would help find a 15-year-old girl," they said on demand. Officials who have been working with the police for decades say they have not experienced a case like this."
BIL's lawyer might not have filed the detention complaint after all:
"Reports, according to which the lawyer of the brother-in-law had lodged an appeal, were denied by the Berlin prosecutor's office on demand."
Immer neue Widersprüche im Fall Rebecca
The headline of this article fittingly goes:
"Always new contradictions in the case of Rebecca"
"His daughter had met shortly before her disappearance someone on the Internet , with whom she wanted to meet. The 15-year-old told her mother. "My wife told Rebecca that she wants to be there," Bernd Reusch told the Berliner Morgenpost. The unknown should be called Max or Maximilian. Rebecca is said to have met him via Instagram on the Internet. The profile of the unknown has since 20 February been deleted. Bernd Reusch suspects that his daughter wanted to meet him on the day of her disappearance. "We have also communicated this to the police from the beginning," said Bernd Reusch to this newspaper. Why the investigators still consider Florian R. to be urgently suspect, he could not understand."
Response from LE:
"The new details brought to the public by the family, in turn, make investigators shake their heads. "It is not helpful to give details of exclusive reports to the public," police sources said on demand. The investigators are in a dilemma. Because unlike the parents, the authority can not comment publicly on the proceedings in an ongoing investigation, because that could torpedo a later trial.
Faced with the allegation of unilateral investigations, people familiar with the case respond with incomprehension. "You do not seriously believe that experienced murder investigators would ignore clues that would help find a 15-year-old girl," they said on demand. Officials who have been working with the police for decades say they have not experienced a case like this."
BIL's lawyer might not have filed the detention complaint after all:
"Reports, according to which the lawyer of the brother-in-law had lodged an appeal, were denied by the Berlin prosecutor's office on demand."
Immer neue Widersprüche im Fall Rebecca
The headline of this article fittingly goes:
"Always new contradictions in the case of Rebecca"
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WOW so there was a "guy" that she wanted to meet from IG that deleted his profile when she went missing???? So this gives me Major doubt, Florian is not looking so shady ...unless he IS the guy, of course she wouldn't have known that, Maybe that's Why the Family thinks its not him and the police think it is .
Wow, so many contradictions that I can’t even keep up. LE certainly has their work cut out for them, I sure hope they do have something good up their sleeve... otherwise it’s quite possible they have botched the crap out of this case.
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How do they know that this "max" profile on instagram was deleted on Feb. 20th? personal observation?
If true this is a major red flag.
ETA: I wonder if he blocked her family (and they think he deleted his profile) because he was getting harassed by family of a girl he never even met.
If true this is a major red flag.
ETA: I wonder if he blocked her family (and they think he deleted his profile) because he was getting harassed by family of a girl he never even met.
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Missing Rebecca (15): Zoff (fight) escalates between family and police - Father reveals explosive details
When the 15-year-old then disappeared, the mother immediately had to think of the Internet acquaintance. At the request of Focus Online , a spokesman for the police said, "According to our knowledge, the homicide squad was not aware of this until now."A few hours later, however, the police have told Focus Online that the previous statement was a "misunderstanding" and that nothing should be said about current investigations.
But it is clear: Rebecca's sister Vivien confirmed via Instagram the girl's internet acquaintance. "There was an internet connection. The police have been aware of one of them since day one ", reads on the social media channel of the 23-year-olds. At the request of Focus Online , Sister Vivien explains, "We told the police this from the start, and if the police want to complain to us, they should do it directly with us, not the media."
And also father Bernd Reusch confirms the internet acquaintance of his daughter. As the Morgenpost reports, the family man criticized the Berlin police for their unilateral investigations. As Bernd Reusch also confirmed, his daughter had met the man on Instagram. Two days after the disappearance of the girl then also the profile of the man was deleted, so the Morgenpost. "We have told the police from the beginning," he explains. He does not understand why Florian R. is still being held.
Rebecca Reusch (Berlin) vermisst: Zoff zwischen Familie und Polizei eskaliert - Vater nennt brisante Details | Welt
I cannot remember a case where family was so openly and strongly at odds with the investigators.
This is huge in Germany right now. I was actually trying to find updates on the search effort but all articles are now going with this "Zoff". Will keep looking.
When the 15-year-old then disappeared, the mother immediately had to think of the Internet acquaintance. At the request of Focus Online , a spokesman for the police said, "According to our knowledge, the homicide squad was not aware of this until now."A few hours later, however, the police have told Focus Online that the previous statement was a "misunderstanding" and that nothing should be said about current investigations.
But it is clear: Rebecca's sister Vivien confirmed via Instagram the girl's internet acquaintance. "There was an internet connection. The police have been aware of one of them since day one ", reads on the social media channel of the 23-year-olds. At the request of Focus Online , Sister Vivien explains, "We told the police this from the start, and if the police want to complain to us, they should do it directly with us, not the media."
And also father Bernd Reusch confirms the internet acquaintance of his daughter. As the Morgenpost reports, the family man criticized the Berlin police for their unilateral investigations. As Bernd Reusch also confirmed, his daughter had met the man on Instagram. Two days after the disappearance of the girl then also the profile of the man was deleted, so the Morgenpost. "We have told the police from the beginning," he explains. He does not understand why Florian R. is still being held.
Rebecca Reusch (Berlin) vermisst: Zoff zwischen Familie und Polizei eskaliert - Vater nennt brisante Details | Welt
I cannot remember a case where family was so openly and strongly at odds with the investigators.
This is huge in Germany right now. I was actually trying to find updates on the search effort but all articles are now going with this "Zoff". Will keep looking.
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This is all I can find about today's search:
16:55: The police announce new details regarding the search in the case of Rebecca
Although there are no new clues to the whereabouts of the 15-year-olds, as a police spokesman said, the police now want to search a specific area with a special dog. Two officials are to start the search on Thursday with the special dog. In which area the search is taken up, the police did not want to communicate for "tactical reasons".
Rebecca Reusch (15) vermisst: Auto aufgetaucht – sucht die Polizei an der falschen Stelle?
16:55: The police announce new details regarding the search in the case of Rebecca
Although there are no new clues to the whereabouts of the 15-year-olds, as a police spokesman said, the police now want to search a specific area with a special dog. Two officials are to start the search on Thursday with the special dog. In which area the search is taken up, the police did not want to communicate for "tactical reasons".
Rebecca Reusch (15) vermisst: Auto aufgetaucht – sucht die Polizei an der falschen Stelle?
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The Berlin police have again stopped their search for the missing Rebecca in Brandenburg on Thursday. The search has ended without result, said a spokesman for the police to rbb | 24 on Thursday evening. Thus, during the day only two officers with a police dog had controlled a certain area. Where exactly did the police not say for " tactical reasons". No traces were found.
In the evening, a spokesman said it was expected that the search would resume the following day.
Polizei unterbricht Suche nach Rebecca erneut
In the evening, a spokesman said it was expected that the search would resume the following day.
Polizei unterbricht Suche nach Rebecca erneut
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Whether the family told LE about the suspected person that Rebecca met online or not I don't think is a huge deal. I would think that one of the first things LE would do these days would be to go straight to Rebecca's online footprint and start looking.
If she was in contact with someone on line, LE would have discovered that themselves early on.
I find this whole thing very confusing. It might just be the translations but I'm really finding it hard to keep up on what is really going on.
Whether the family told LE about the suspected person that Rebecca met online or not I don't think is a huge deal. I would think that one of the first things LE would do these days would be to go straight to Rebecca's online footprint and start looking.
If she was in contact with someone on line, LE would have discovered that themselves early on.
I find this whole thing very confusing. It might just be the translations but I'm really finding it hard to keep up on what is really going on.
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Me too even though I speak the language!
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Bunte published part of the interview with the mom online. The full interview is only available in the print version.
Mother: "There are days when I completely collapse inwardly in pain"
When BUNTE rings the bell at the door of the Reusch family, it has been 20 days since Rebecca (15) disappeared without a trace. At this time, the fate of the young girl is still completely uncertain. Has Rebecca run away, was she kidnapped, or is she dead? The desperation and fear for the fate of her youngest daughter overwhelm Brigitte Reusch (52) in waves. "There are days when I completely collapse inwardly in pain. On other days, I try not to let the reality come to me for at least a few hours. As a self-protection. Otherwise you will break with all the pain and worry about what might have happened to our little one. "
Brigitte Reusch is shaking while crying. Immediately her eldest daughter Jessica R. (26) jumps up from her chair to hug her mother tightly. "When can we finally wake up from this nightmare?" asks Brigitte Reusch. "We hope so much that we can recover our Becci. It's absolutely awful. " Pause. "The police only talk about Becci's body. I'm sure Becci lives and is locked up by a stranger. I am her mother, we are closely connected. I would feel when she is no longer alive. "
For daughter Jessica, "a world collapsed when my husband was arrested. I have a great husband and I can not imagine Florian doing anything to my sister, "she says firmly. "Flo and I have been a couple for almost eight years. He is like a big brother to Becci, she also wrote that in our wedding paper last year. Flo is also the only one in our family who is allowed to criticize my sister for her messiness. He is a kind hearted, sensitive husband and touching dad for our daughter. I'm fully behind him and will visit him in prison as soon as he has permission to visit. "
Everywhere in the house are photos hanging and showing a happy family. "Becci loves to take pictures and draw with her Polaroid camera. "She's talented in both," says her mother.
BUNTE: What kind of girl is your daughter?
Brigitte Reusch: Cheerful. Lively. Social and very loving. Becci loves clothes, shopping, her cell phone, as teenagers are today. Of course, she was especially spoiled by us as the smallest. She was at a hip-hop school and loves to dance. She constantly introduced us to new movements at home. And she loves make-up, because she is incredibly creative. One thing that annoys her is that she can not be tidy. We talked about this regularly. My husband and I are not the most extraordinary. But I always say to her, you should already have a certain basic order. I hope that comes with age with Becci.
How do you explain her disappearance?
Brigitte Reusch: We have no explanation. That's why we're so desperate. Becci would never run away from home. In addition, her ID card is in the drawer with us, she had no money left in her account. If she was 15 minutes late, she called my husband or me. All three girls grew up sheltered. I drove them to school for the first few years, picked them up at noon because I was afraid that something might happen to them. My husband and I have always been there for the girls when they need us. We hold family council when there is something important to discuss. There are no secrets with us.
Vermisste Rebecca (15): Mutter: „Es gibt Tage, da breche ich innerlich vor Schmerz komplett zusammen“
Mother: "There are days when I completely collapse inwardly in pain"
When BUNTE rings the bell at the door of the Reusch family, it has been 20 days since Rebecca (15) disappeared without a trace. At this time, the fate of the young girl is still completely uncertain. Has Rebecca run away, was she kidnapped, or is she dead? The desperation and fear for the fate of her youngest daughter overwhelm Brigitte Reusch (52) in waves. "There are days when I completely collapse inwardly in pain. On other days, I try not to let the reality come to me for at least a few hours. As a self-protection. Otherwise you will break with all the pain and worry about what might have happened to our little one. "
Brigitte Reusch is shaking while crying. Immediately her eldest daughter Jessica R. (26) jumps up from her chair to hug her mother tightly. "When can we finally wake up from this nightmare?" asks Brigitte Reusch. "We hope so much that we can recover our Becci. It's absolutely awful. " Pause. "The police only talk about Becci's body. I'm sure Becci lives and is locked up by a stranger. I am her mother, we are closely connected. I would feel when she is no longer alive. "
For daughter Jessica, "a world collapsed when my husband was arrested. I have a great husband and I can not imagine Florian doing anything to my sister, "she says firmly. "Flo and I have been a couple for almost eight years. He is like a big brother to Becci, she also wrote that in our wedding paper last year. Flo is also the only one in our family who is allowed to criticize my sister for her messiness. He is a kind hearted, sensitive husband and touching dad for our daughter. I'm fully behind him and will visit him in prison as soon as he has permission to visit. "
Everywhere in the house are photos hanging and showing a happy family. "Becci loves to take pictures and draw with her Polaroid camera. "She's talented in both," says her mother.
BUNTE: What kind of girl is your daughter?
Brigitte Reusch: Cheerful. Lively. Social and very loving. Becci loves clothes, shopping, her cell phone, as teenagers are today. Of course, she was especially spoiled by us as the smallest. She was at a hip-hop school and loves to dance. She constantly introduced us to new movements at home. And she loves make-up, because she is incredibly creative. One thing that annoys her is that she can not be tidy. We talked about this regularly. My husband and I are not the most extraordinary. But I always say to her, you should already have a certain basic order. I hope that comes with age with Becci.
How do you explain her disappearance?
Brigitte Reusch: We have no explanation. That's why we're so desperate. Becci would never run away from home. In addition, her ID card is in the drawer with us, she had no money left in her account. If she was 15 minutes late, she called my husband or me. All three girls grew up sheltered. I drove them to school for the first few years, picked them up at noon because I was afraid that something might happen to them. My husband and I have always been there for the girls when they need us. We hold family council when there is something important to discuss. There are no secrets with us.
Vermisste Rebecca (15): Mutter: „Es gibt Tage, da breche ich innerlich vor Schmerz komplett zusammen“
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As with the previous report about a change of underwear in the bathroom (being left behind), would RR normally take this ID card when leaving for school? I'm assuming this card, and "no money left in her account", are school related?
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I don't think it's school related. The German word used is "Kinderausweis", a passport for children. I don't know why Rebecca would still have this id, and not a normal passport, because afaik it is only valid until the age of 12, after which you'd get either an id card (Personalausweis) or a normal passport. So I don't know why the mother is mentioning the Kinderausweis.
Rebecca should have some kind of id with her as by law you must be able to id yourself at all times. Maybe it is not strictly followed, I don't know.
I think by account she means a normal bank account.
Maybe @cybervampira can shed more light on this as I haven't lived in Germany for a long time and might well be wrong!
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You are right, a Kinderausweis (also called Kinderreisepass) is valid until the age of 12. Not much has changed in the recent years, only that biometric passports have been introduced here and children from the age of 0 years can have their own ID (in earlier days, there was just a remark in the parent‘s passport).
From the age of 12, children require a regular ID or passport.
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It is manadatory to have an ID/passport from 16, but prior this it is possible to have one. So if she was not travelling it is possible that she had no ID yet.
Even if not really officially valid, it is possible to use the Kinderausweis for some daily things to show age.
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