'Ghost yacht' found off Australia

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Ghost Yacht Crew Kidnapped?

The family of 56-year-old Derek Batten, missing skipper of Kaz II, the catamaran found drifting off the Australian coast last week, are convinced that foul play is responsible for his mysterious disappearance. Derek's niece Hope Himing said: 'My mum has a really strong feeling that Des is out somewhere dark and can't see.' The families of the three missing men are doing their utmost to make Queensland police restart their search. Convinced that big seas pitched the trio off the yacht, the police suspended their search, believing that they could not have survived.

The 12m (40ft) catamaran was found in the Tasman Sea with fenders out and its engine running, food, plates and cutlery laid on the table and a laptop connected to the internet whirring in the background. Chief pilot of the rescue helicopter Trevor Wison said that the crew's personal effects were all still on board, commenting: 'It's almost like someone has stepped off the boat.' Weather and sea conditions were believed to have been good throughout the yacht's voyage from Airlie Beach. The yacht had been purchased from a local man, who told detectives that the crew were planning to sail her back to their home town of Perth. They were to make their first stop in Townsville, about 300km north of Airlie, but they never arrived, and four days later Kaz II was spotted drifting by a surveillance aircraft.

'If it was bad weather, why would their fishing lines be out?' asked Hope Himing. 'Why would their clothes be piled up; if it were that bad that it knocked three experienced sailors off, why wouldn't they have put on their life jackets? It just doesn't add up.' She believes that Kax II was boarded by occupants of another vessel, and points to the fenders being out.

Adding to the mystery, Investigators who examined the cat's GPS data have said that it had been drifting with the wind and currents since the crew departed Airlie Beach.

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20070325122635ymnews.html


To me, it almost sounds as if they just dove off of the boat, immediately after it left port. No wonder they were willing to go out in 30 knot winds--it makes their disappearance all the more believable. I think they are somewhere in Australia, keeping a very low profile. I don't think they expected the boat to survive that first storm. Check those insurance policies.
 
  • #262
:eek: OMG, Maybe they never put the fenders in! They were still out like when they got on the boat! So neat down in the cabin because they never really had time to get it messy. Scandi

Gee, it just hit me this boat looked like a disappearance had been staged. Fenders left out so we'd think they were boarded, with clothes up top ready to go on other boat since their sail was defunct and couldn't 'sail'.
Set the table with some food, put a fishing line out and messed up the beds so we'd think they were slept in.

Hey, maybe there was a boat that was part of their scheme, and it picked them up right on time!

Am I going LOCO ? LOLOLOLOL
 
  • #263
:eek: OMG, Maybe they never put the fenders in! They were still out like when they got on the boat! So neat down in the cabin because they never really had time to get it messy. Scandi

Gee, it just hit me this boat looked like a disappearance had been staged. Fenders left out so we'd think they were boarded, with clothes up top ready to go on other boat since their sail was defunct and couldn't 'sail'.
Set the table with some food, put a fishing line out and messed up the beds so we'd think they were slept in.

Hey, maybe there was a boat that was part of their scheme, and it picked them up right on time!

Am I going LOCO ? LOLOLOLOL
Scandi, I think LE, once they looked at the GPS data, and compared it to the meterorlogical data, thinks this case is beginning to smell. I know that I do.
 
  • #264
Buzz, if that is the case wouldn't they have had to purposefully damage the sail to make the setup look good?
 
  • #265
Buzz, if that is the case wouldn't they have had to purposefully damage the sail to make the setup look good?
Scandi, the sail on an unsteered catamaran must undergo a huge amount of stress in a windstorm. If the boat can't be turned over, either the mast breaks, or the sail gives way, whichever is weaker. I'm very surprised that nothing was disturbed inside the boat--i.e., all of the stuff on the table. That's one very stable boat.

Perhaps, the sail gave way almost immediately, otherwise I think the stuff on the table gets tossed around.
 
  • #266
Scandi, the sail on an unsteered catamaran must undergo a huge amount of stress in a windstorm. If the boat can't be turned over, either the mast breaks, or the sail gives way, whichever is weaker. I'm very surprised that nothing was disturbed inside the boat--i.e., all of the stuff on the table. That's one very stable boat.

I wonder... the call they made was after the storm, right? But they didn't say anything about sustaining any damage.

What if the sail was tied too tight- not given enough slack, would that cause a rip to start? Then the wind would only make that rip worse?
 
  • #267
I wonder... the call they made was after the storm, right? But they didn't say anything about sustaining any damage.

What if the sail was tied too tight- not given enough slack, would that cause a rip to start? Then the wind would only make that rip worse?
I'd be interested in the position they related during that radio message, verus where the boat actually was, based on the GPS history data, at that time. That would certainly tell us whether they were on the boat at that point in time. From what was said about drifting since the KAZ II left Airlie Beach , I don't think they were on board at 6:45PM.

I'll have to find where it mentioned the individual who logged the 6:45PM radio contact.
 
  • #268
I'd be interested in the position they related during that call, verus where the boat actually was, based on the GPS history data, at that time. That would certainly tell us whether they were on the boat at that point in time. From what was said about drifting since the KAZ II left Airlie Beach , I don't think they were on board at 6:45PM.

Ooh! Good thinking!
 
  • #269
Ooh! Good thinking!
the men put out a routine radio call at 6.45pm that night, notifying Volunteer Marine Rescue of their position at George Point, south of Bowen.
 
  • #270
the men put out a routine radio call at 6.45pm that night, notifying Volunteer Marine Rescue of their position at George Point, south of Bowen.

So you think they were on a different boat at that point?
 
  • #271
So you think they were on a different boat at that point?
Wherever they were when they made that radio transmission. Bowen is North of Airlie Beach, and so "they" were headed in the right direction.

Need to check something.
 
  • #272
Wherever they were when they made that radio transmission. Bowen is North of Airlie Beach, and so "they" were headed in the right direction.

Need to check something.

Let us know what you find.
 
  • #273
Let us know what you find.

Map of Airlie Beach (where they left from) to Townsville (the KazII was first spotted 80 nautical miles off of Townsville). Bowen (referenced in the 6:45PM call) is just North of Airlie Beach.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8....385825,148.480225&spn=3.830328,5.449219&om=1


The search area this weekend (islands off of the coast):
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...8839,147.301941&spn=0.96542,1.362305&t=h&om=1


I would really love to see detailed plot of the GPS history data versus a plot of the meteorlogical and current data. They can even tell where the sail was probably lost.

 
  • #274
Doesn't make sence to me that they would set an orderly table and have the place looking neat and tidy right down to the clothes neatly folded on deck, and then leave the beds messed up. It would seem to me that someone that is going to bother folding clothes and preparing a meal would also make the bed in the morning. They must want people to think that the beds had been used.
 
  • #275
Training mission to search for missing sailors

Queensland emergency service volunteers have offered to use a training mission to scour beaches and islands for three missing sailors. Twenty-five members from the Proserpine State Emergency Service (SES) unit in north Queensland will be on a training run this weekend around George Point and Gloucester Island near Airlie Beach.

The catamaran Kaz II was found adrift 160km north-east of Townsville on April 18, having left Airlie Beach's Shute Harbour three days before on a journey to Perth. Skipper Derek Batten and brothers Peter and James Tunstead, all from Perth, remain missing. Emergency service crews found the engine running, computers turned on, food on the table and the GPS system operating but no sign of the boat's crew. Authorities spent several days searching surrounding waters and family members of the missing trio have spent the past week using chartered boats to search islands.

An SES spokesman said a fresh search would be incorporated into the training run. "They will be in the area and will keep an eye out," the spokesman said. The volunteers will use flat-bottomed floodboats and walk along beaches.

James Tunstead's son Shane said he was grateful for the support of the SES, but he was unsure whether the search would prove fruitful. "They are fairly well vegetated and mountainous (areas) ... so I don't know how the foot search is going to go," he said. To me it seems odd that one of the sons would make this type of a statement before an SES aided search. Being doubtful, of the possible result, by the family, before the search actually takes place, is suspect to me.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/new...missing-sailors/2007/04/27/1177459966132.html
 
  • #276
Map of Airlie Beach (where they left from) to Townsville (the KazII was first spotted 80 nautical miles Northeast of Townsville). Bowen (referenced in the 6:45PM call) is just North of Airlie Beach.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8....385825,148.480225&spn=3.830328,5.449219&om=1


The search area this weekend (islands off of the coast):
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...8839,147.301941&spn=0.96542,1.362305&t=h&om=1


I would really love to see a detailed plot of the GPS history data versus a plot of the meteorlogical and current data. They can even tell where the sail was probably lost.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/new...missing-sailors/2007/04/27/1177459966132.html

04-15-2007 Sunday -- Departed Airlie Beach early A.M.

04-15-2007 Sunday 6:45PM--radio transmission saying they were off of
Point George.

04-19-2007 Thursday--KAZ II spotted 80 nautical miles Northeast of Townsville.

Foul play ruled out in “ghost yacht” mystery
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...l/theworld_April537.xml&section=theworld&col=

 
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This is a very interesting mystery. My prayers go out to the families and friends, and to the 3 men if they were victims of foul-play or accidental death.

I'd be curious about the insurance policies, too. Storms aren't the cause, as everything was still neat & orderly (even though the sail was ripped) and pirates would've stolen the cameras and laptops and other stuff of value. It sure is odd, indeed.
 
  • #279
Although searches have been called off by authorities, family members have continued to look, spending tens of thousands of dollars hiring planes, helicopters and boats to search for the missing men on nearby islands.

James Tunstead's son Shane said the family was meeting with police to decide whether to continue the search.


Now why would the family meet with the police to decide whether to continue the search?? Searches were called off by authorities almost a week ago.

There's only one more direction to look in. Check all of the insurance policies, and do a very thorough background check on the families.
 
  • #280
I think there is a lot more to this story than what we,re hearing...nothing about this story had made sense from the start.......insurance policies would be interesting to know.
The police keep ruling out foul play too...Im trying to understand how they can be so sure.
 

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