Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[imstilla.grandma]

• Architect Rex A. Heuermann helped oversee projects costing roughly $68.1 million in the decades before being charged as the Gilgo Beach serial killer
• It's unclear what he charged for the projects, but his fees would likely have been 10% to 15% of the costs, according to Nicholas DeFelice, an associate professor of architecture at the New York Institute of Technology in Old Westbury

Although some of Heuermann’s clients are based on Long Island, his work appears to be almost all for property in the five boroughs of New York City. His business, RH Consultants & Associates Inc., where he employed five people, focused on helping clients navigate the building code in the city, where he worked much of his professional life.

Gilgo Beach killings: What to know about Rex Heuermann's business records

The architect's business filings offer a window into the apparent contrasts underpinning the life of a man charged with murdering three women, and suspected in a fourth case.

www.newsday.com

 

[arielilane]

#RexHeuermann's wife is pleading for privacy and the ability to walk and go to the grocery store without having media in her face and in the face of her "elderly" neighbors. She described her life as a catastrophe. While many think she was complicit, law enforcement has said no, she was not. She has returned to her house and is hoping to find peace. Where else can she go?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685969165251670016

https://twitter.com/CoffindafferFBI

 

[Inthedetails]

#RexHeuermann's wife is pleading for privacy and the ability to walk and go to the grocery store without having media in her face and in the face of her "elderly" neighbors. She described her life as a catastrophe. While many think she was complicit, law enforcement has said no, she was not. She has returned to her house and is hoping to find peace. Where else can she go?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685969165251670016

https://twitter.com/CoffindafferFBI

I'm not sure there is a widespread belief she is complicit - I assumed the opposite is true. The interest in her isn't because people think she was involved in the crimes but simply because she lived in the same house as an accused SK.

It would be nice if the local grocery store offered delivery service for a month or two, just to save her the walk in front of media to run regular household errands.

I live in the city and walk to the store for my own groceries. I have to go a few times a week because I can't carry everything for a week in one trip. This is not a small task for her, with two grown kids to also feed, plus heavy household items I'm sure she needs to put the home back together. She needs delivery service for awhile, imo, and the store could arrange that.

jmo

 

[Warwick1991]

• Architect Rex A. Heuermann helped oversee projects costing roughly $68.1 million in the decades before being charged as the Gilgo Beach serial killer
• It's unclear what he charged for the projects, but his fees would likely have been 10% to 15% of the costs, according to Nicholas DeFelice, an associate professor of architecture at the New York Institute of Technology in Old Westbury

Although some of Heuermann’s clients are based on Long Island, his work appears to be almost all for property in the five boroughs of New York City. His business, RH Consultants & Associates Inc., where he employed five people, focused on helping clients navigate the building code in the city, where he worked much of his professional life.

Gilgo Beach killings: What to know about Rex Heuermann's business records

The architect's business filings offer a window into the apparent contrasts underpinning the life of a man charged with murdering three women, and suspected in a fourth case.

www.newsday.com

I think the Newsday article overestimates Heuermann's fees. Although the projects Heuermann was involved with may have totaled $68.1 million, the role he played may have been limited to expediting permits, analyzing code compliance and services other than design and construction documents. He would only get fees in the vicinity of 10% to 15% if he was the architect who signed and stamped the construction drawings. However, his services are of the type hired by other architects (and building owners) to facilitate navigating NYC's complex permit and code procedures. Heuermann's role would be limited, and he wouldn't get the entire fee unless he was responsible for the entire project, including design, construction documents and engineering consultants. IMO his fees would be much less.

The fee range noted is used by some architects, but others mainly use hourly fees.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think the Newsday article overestimates Heuermann's fees. Although the projects Heuermann was involved with may have totaled $68.1 million, the role he played may have been limited to expediting permits, analyzing code compliance and services other than design and construction documents. He would only get fees in the vicinity of 10% to 15% if he was the architect who signed and stamped the construction drawings. However, his services are of the type hired by other architects (and building owners) to facilitate navigating NYC's complex permit and code procedures. Heuermann's role would be limited, and he wouldn't get the entire fee unless he was responsible for the entire project, including design, construction documents and engineering consultants. IMO his fees would be much less.

The fee range noted is used by some architects, but others mainly use hourly fees.

I agree. He made a living, but he wasn't bringing in a huge amount of income, imo. And, it's possible he spent more than he made.

I'm guessing some months and years were better than others in terms of income. I wonder if covid affected his earnings.

jmo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Animal cages

Mind you, this is all stuff they are searching the avalanche for..."cuttings" of furniture, mattresses ,beds, steps , play pens , animal cages, books, journals, computers ?

That seems like a lot to be looking for in one vehicle. But who knows ?

ETA: Okay, WTH ? Any locked or unlocked containers including, but not limited to, locked rooms, storage areas, vaults, canbinets ,safes , closets...

In a car ?!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Silly Billy gave me one time permission to post this youtube link. It's worth watching, imo. Lee discusses the South Carolina search warrant from a lawyer's POV.

 

[Inthedetails]

“Police are now searching for "trophies," such as personal items belonging to victims, including but not limited to their "telephones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and/or photographs or recordings depicting the victims," inside the green Avalanche, the July 14 search warrant for the vehicle states.”

The Bible really sticks out to me for some reason. It just seems odd. The clothing, jewelry, recordings, and notebooks I expected since those are all typical things taken as trophies by serial killers. Does anyone know if one of the G4 was known to carry a bible or may have attended church (even if it was infrequently)?

I’m probably reading too much into it. What are everyone else’s thoughts?

This is off-the-wall, but I wonder if he requested they bring a Bible??

jmo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

“Police are now searching for "trophies," such as personal items belonging to victims, including but not limited to their "telephones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and/or photographs or recordings depicting the victims," inside the green Avalanche, the July 14 search warrant for the vehicle states.”

The Bible really sticks out to me for some reason. It just seems odd. The clothing, jewelry, recordings, and notebooks I expected since those are all typical things taken as trophies by serial killers. Does anyone know if one of the G4 was known to carry a bible or may have attended church (even if it was infrequently)?

I’m probably reading too much into it. What are everyone else’s thoughts?

Amber was very involved in church when she lived in Florida. Can't see her carrying a bible on a date where she left her phone and purse behind, though.

 

[Inthedetails]

Silly Billy gave me one time permission to post this youtube link. It's worth watching, imo.

Great. I am a fan of that youtube channel. The lawyer is very good at explaining legal aspects of cases. jmo

 

[minazoe]

I know what you mean. The infliction of torture extends beyond the initial victim.

I often think of the 1985 case of Sharon "Shari" Smith (kidnapped and murdered by Larry Gene Bell).

Ret. FBI Profiler John Douglas on Larry Gene Bell

Douglas shares how he turned Bell's tactics against him.

www.aetv.com

Larry Gene Bell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh I just read a book on Larry Gene Bell...truly evil. He would call and taunt her sister ...sick. sick ..reminds me of
RH.

 

[Inthedetails]

Amber was very involved in church when she lived in Florida. Can't see her carrying a bible on a date where she left her phone and purse behind, though.

That makes much more sense than my goofy theory. Thanks for keeping it sane. jmo

 

[Megnut]

When I saw the actual WM embossing, my first thought was who*re monger.

Perhaps he finds himself clever. That LE is searching for distal ends suggests to me he was crafting his own belts. With embossing of his own choosing.

i often wonder in cases of serial killers, especially of this nature, about life at about age 12, like puberty occurs right when a prurient event or series occurs, encoding them somehow. With a single mom, dating and having a healthy sex life, for instance. Adjusting maybe a childhood love of one's mom into disgust that she's now dirty. Madonna/who*re syndrome/dichotomy.

Could he be killing his mother over and over and over?

jmo

Edited to add, I'm wrong about the initials!! I read them wrong! Thank you, @Morning_Kat, for the correction! Doh. Still, I think the letters mean something to him, and I think he embossed it himself.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

When I saw the actual WM embossing, my first thought was who*re monger.

Perhaps he finds himself clever. That LE is searching for distal ends suggests to me he was crafting his own belts. With embossing of his own choosing.

i often wonder in cases of serial killers, especially of this nature, about life at about age 12, like puberty occurs right when a prurient event or series occurs, encoding them somehow. With a single mom, dating and having a healthy sex life, for instance. Adjusting maybe a childhood love of one's mom into disgust that she's now dirty. Madonna/who*re syndrome/dichotomy.

Could he be killing his mother over and over and over?

jmo

The belt embossing was either WH or HM.

Articles Recovered at Scene

www.gilgonews.com

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Amber was very involved in church when she lived in Florida. Can't see her carrying a bible on a date where she left her phone and purse behind, though.

Came here to say that. I've seen a Bible mentioned before and wondered if that was something they were keeping quiet about. Maybe Amber was known to keep one with her in her belongings, or it was missing from the house she lived in so they assumed she had it?

ETA but she left her phone and purse so that's kinda odd to me. Maybe if she'd seen RH before he took it and contacted her under the guise of returning it? Someone who was murdered must have a missing bible associated with them, or maybe RH wrote names of the victims in HIS bible? Big yikes either way.

 

[Friday13]

“Police are now searching for "trophies," such as personal items belonging to victims, including but not limited to their "telephones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and/or photographs or recordings depicting the victims," inside the green Avalanche, the July 14 search warrant for the vehicle states.”

The Bible really sticks out to me for some reason. It just seems odd. The clothing, jewelry, recordings, and notebooks I expected since those are all typical things taken as trophies by serial killers. Does anyone know if one of the G4 was known to carry a bible or may have attended church (even if it was infrequently)?

I’m probably reading too much into it. What are everyone else’s thoughts?

I wonder if one of the victims was known to carry a small pocket bible in her purse and all of those personal items are missing?

 

[Friday13]

Came here to say that. I've seen a Bible mentioned before and wondered if that was something they were keeping quiet about. Maybe Amber was known to keep one with her in her belongings, or it was missing from the house she lived in so they assumed she had it?

ETA but she left her phone and purse so that's kinda odd to me. Maybe if she'd seen RH before he took it and contacted her under the guise of returning it? Someone who was murdered must have a missing bible associated with them, or maybe RH wrote names of the victims in HIS bible? Big yikes either way.

You just made a thought pop into my head…do you think it’s possible there were ripped out pages of a bible left with the victims? Is it possible that this was never disclosed?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

 

[Inthedetails]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

Considering I cried when my mom washed my childhood rag doll, years after I stopped playing with it, and it fell apart in the washing machine, this seems like another perfectly sane theory. Good thinking.

Part of me thinks, though, that the disrepair of the house was a sign of disdain for his wife. No wife really wants to live like that when they can do better, at least not visibly to the outside world. It's possible, however, that the wife didn't care.

jmo

p.s. I miss you, Raggedy Ann.

 

[Sjöberg]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? "

I somehow thought that the house might just be affected by the Curse of the Inherited Home™.
There seem to be plenty of people who have inherited some property and who just don't upgrade that one at all. Of course, often it is because it is used as a second home or maybe there is even shared inheritance (neither were the case here). But I feel like there is a difference in how you approach the home that "has always been like that" vs something that you just buy from a random seller and what is a tabula rasa to you.

On another note, I hope the PD is working on identifying the other victims. This would clearly help with understanding, if these victims seem to have the same killer or not.