Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[Momoffourboys]

Moving far far away is exactly what I would do in their situation. I cannot fathom why they'd ever want to stay there in the circumstances.

I know it's the only home they've known for so long but the feeling it must generate after what's happened should outweigh any good nostalgia.

Also realise money is an issue but they should be able to utilise the fund and just go!

It has also been reported that her father is 90 years old and I would think she would want to stay close to him.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Is there any mention of his wife’s DNA being collected being there’s evidence of her hair on binding of remains?

Just the initial DNA collected from trash. According to her attorney she has not been contacted by LE since her husband’s arrest.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Dark Woods Near Accused Gilgo Beach Serial Killer’s Home Should Be Searched for Bodies, Expert Says

A law enforcement expert is urging investigators to search an expansive nature preserve for bodies given its proximity to the home of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann, the New York Post reports. The 430-acre Massapequa Preserve includes secluded and overgrown woods that would be...

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[Dhighsmith]

Just the initial DNA collected from trash. According to her attorney she has not been contacted by LE since her husband’s arrest.

Thanks just wondering since there’s the push to obtain RH’s DNA.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I can't be the only one who is confused by some of the info we're getting from LE, can I ?

1. Why did every prior source we had (family, msm, etc.) say that Megan left her cell phone in her room ? But LE tells us her phone pinged in Massapequa ?

2. We know that Dave Schaller didn't see the vehicle Amber got into on the night she disappeared. Dave himself said so, and continues to say so. So who actually identified RH's car as the vehicle Amber left in the night she disappeared ?

3. If RH was the customer Amber and Dave ripped off the night before Amber disappeared, why on earth would she book a second date with him the following night and NOT bring a phone ? In fact, why would she book a date with him at all ?

4. Why would LE indicate that they were coming out with the info about Vergata because they had already contacted her family members, and yet, her 2 grown sons were apparently clueless.

Not criticizing LE here, just saying that a lot of this just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[kittythehare]

I can't be the only one who is confused by some of the info we're getting from LE, can I ?

1. Why did every prior source we had (family, msm, etc.) say that Megan left her cell phone in her room ? But LE tells us her phone pinged in Massapequa ?

2. We know that Dave Schaller didn't see the vehicle Amber got into on the night she disappeared. Dave himself said so, and continues to say so. So who actually identified RH's car as the vehicle Amber left in the night she disappeared ?

3. If RH was the customer Amber and Dave ripped off the night before Amber disappeared, why on earth would she book a second date with him the following night and NOT bring a phone ? In fact, why would she book a date with him at all ?

4. Why would LE indicate that they were coming out with the info about Vergata because they had already contacted her family members, and yet, her 2 grown sons were apparently clueless.

Not criticizing LE here, just saying that a lot of this just doesn't make sense to me.

re schaller, RH was there twice he could have seen it the first night, probably did.
he knew it was rH coming for her the 2nd night so maybe assumed it was same vehicle.
the legal bail thingy said 'witnesses' saw it but didn't name Schaller as one.

I'm not sure whether he had paid her or not the first night... the night of the scam. i can't remember exactly That entire case needs to be reopened/ They all do, methinks.
I can't answer your other questions, will do a scrape for early reports on Megan..

 

[AislingGray18]

Couldn't they stay with wife's sister or in a hotel/motel?

I'm shocked.

JMO

IDK how reliable it is, but her sister was quoted as saying she had not had any contact with her.

This is bizaare.

 

[investigatefred]

I can't be the only one who is confused by some of the info we're getting from LE, can I ?

1. Why did every prior source we had (family, msm, etc.) say that Megan left her cell phone in her room ? But LE tells us her phone pinged in Massapequa ?

2. We know that Dave Schaller didn't see the vehicle Amber got into on the night she disappeared. Dave himself said so, and continues to say so. So who actually identified RH's car as the vehicle Amber left in the night she disappeared ?

3. If RH was the customer Amber and Dave ripped off the night before Amber disappeared, why on earth would she book a second date with him the following night and NOT bring a phone ? In fact, why would she book a date with him at all ?

4. Why would LE indicate that they were coming out with the info about Vergata because they had already contacted her family members, and yet, her 2 grown sons were apparently clueless.

Not criticizing LE here, just saying that a lot of this just doesn't make sense to me.

Re: #4, I can only gander the sons weren't directly notified because they had been adopted out years before she went missing? Would that make them now not next of kin if she was no longer their "legal" parent? I don't know the legalities on that. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

I’d agree, except that to PAY someone you have to have money.

The idea that the wife was on food stamps, while he was a well-regarded architect working with many city agencies, suggests to me that he kept her in poverty somehow.

Her living in that dilapidated house while they had property in other states is IMO also persuasive that he kept her on a tight leash.

In NY she would’ve not been eligible for food stamps based on her husband’s salary and the ownership of a condo or timeshare in Vegas, along with the South Carolina property. I’m wondering how that happened.

Her son has developmental disabilities, it may be an entitlement?

 

[Ruminations]

I kinda think whether I would want to live in that house or not is irrelevant. And if AE wants to or not is none of my business.

I can think of a few reasons it might be the best idea for her.

She or her son do not like change, and learning a whole lot about Rex is change enough- moving house might makes things harder to process.

She has advice that she has better odds getting the whole house in divorce, rather than half or none at all, while living in it.

She feels if she leaves it, the tourists will destroy it.

She feels if she leaves it some shady friend or relative of Rex's will do something to it.

She feels like she is being bullied out, and won't be.

Financial abuse and coercive control are real and hideous. Yet I see no evidence that AE wants out of the house. So I don't see any reason to assume the problem is that she can't.

MOO

 

[Teche]

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Why would the adult children need an attorney?

 

[investigatefred]

Why would the adult children need an attorney?

I've wondered about that too.

 

[Warwick7]

Honored to share that Othram assisted the Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI in identifying 34-year-old Karen Vergata from Manhattan, NY. Karen is the earliest recorded victim of the Long Island Serial Killer, murdered in 1996.

After 26 years, Fire Island Jane Doe is Identified

AWESOME!!!!!

 

[marble]

Why would the adult children need an attorney?

Well, because it's the smartest thing to do. They have no idea what kinds of challenges they'll be faced with (legal and otherwise). I find it really troubling that there's so much picking apart of his family- by all accounts so far they are victims too and had nothing to do with what their father is accused of. It's nobody's business how they are grieving, which relatives they are in contact with, whether they want to continue to live in the house, whether they've talked to Rex or plan to visit him in jail etc. None of you know the context for any of this and it feels like gawking and victim blaming.

 

[Charlot123]

I thought Natasha Jugo died by suicide? Or was it never fully determined?

I also think we will find that Carmen (Velez?) the woman from East Harlem found on Meadowbrook Pkwy will not be a victim of RH. I do not think he had any business uptown in 1989 nor do I think he would have the desire to go into that territory. 106 & Lexington in those days was very different than today and from his alleged victims and internet searches he picks white women or Asians. JMO.

He probably hunted on the internet for "his type", and I think they are blonde/redhead white women. However, if he found a black/mixed ethnicity woman attractive, and it could be her general diminutive stature + young age, for example, and the opportunity was there (her coming up to his car, no witnesses around), he'd do it. JMO. I think that in 1989, there was less selectivity, as it was pre-online time. We assume that a certain "look" might turn him on, but perhaps, so could a certain voice timbre, or the manner to present herself? In 1989, there could have been way more variability.

 

[Charlot123]

I kinda think whether I would want to live in that house or not is irrelevant. And if AE wants to or not is none of my business.

I can think of a few reasons it might be the best idea for her.

She or her son do not like change, and learning a whole lot about Rex is change enough- moving house might makes things harder to process.

She has advice that she has better odds getting the whole house in divorce, rather than half or none at all, while living in it.

She feels if she leaves it, the tourists will destroy it.

She feels if she leaves it some shady friend or relative of Rex's will do something to it.

She feels like she is being bullied out, and won't be.

Financial abuse and coercive control are real and hideous. Yet I see no evidence that AE wants out of the house. So I don't see any reason to assume the problem is that she can't.

MOO

One more thing. The neighbors didn't like him but might have been sympathetic towards her or the kids. You know how the big world is. If they move out, you bet some inquisitive new neighbors will start gossiping, "oh, I still think she was involved". This is one of the few things I know I can safely bet on. Or worse, someone would start spreading rumors about the kids. Some nosey citizens are merciless. So I think she is right to stay.

 

[Sundog]

Why would the adult children need an attorney?

LE will probably want to interiew them, since they lived with RH and probably sometimes travelled with RH. Also the daughter worked in RH's office. I guess it could be seen as a conflict of interest for the mother to have the same attorney as the adult chidlren.

They are in a difficult position if called to testify, if it is testimony that is against their father/step father or could be perceived as against their father/stepfather. An attorney can guide them through it.

Just guessing on this.

 

[LadyL]

Court documents: Suffolk DA's office has requested cheek swab from Rex Heuermann

After Heuermann’s arrest, his wife, daughter and stepson voluntarily provided cheek swabs for DNA analysis. However, Heuermann still has not.

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Without a DNA sample taken directly from Heuermann’s mouth, as opposed to items such as a water bottle or partially eaten pizza, forensic biologists at the Suffolk County Crime Lab are limited in how they can testify at trial regarding Heuermann’s DNA profile.

According to the criminal court documents, forensics biologists would only be able to reference the pizza crusts and napkin as believed to be “used or touched” by Heuermann and would not be allowed to say it is his DNA profile.

“If the defendant’s DNA from a buccal swab sample matches the mitochondrial DNA profile developed from the hair recovered from Megan Waterman’s remains, there is scientific evidence of the Defendant’s contact not only with Ms. Waterman and where her remains were discovered, but also with the burlap utilized to restrain and transport her human remains,” Assistant Suffolk County District Attorney Michelle Haddad said in the court filings.

Prosecutors also argued that a denial of a cheek swab could deprive Heuermann of a crucial defense at trial if his DNA from the swab does not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin.

The defense, which did not return a request for comment, has until next week to oppose the motion. Otherwise, Heuermann will have to provide a cheek swab by August 15.

so if his lawyers believe him that he 'didn't do this', then they should have no reason to oppose the motion but we know that RH has every reason to refuse to do it

 

[Sundog]

It has also been reported that her father is 90 years old and I would think she would want to stay close to him.

I agree, she may not want to leave the area. Whatever she wants to do right now is up to her. What she might want to do may be different from what I would do, but only she knows what is best for her right now. She probably also wants to stay close to her attorney as she goes through the divorce proceedings. I support her in whatever she decides to do. I only hope that she ends up with options, has the finances and other resources to make the decision that is best for her.

 

[LadyL]

IDK how reliable it is, but her sister was quoted as saying she had not had any contact with her.

This is bizaare.

that was early on ... hopefully have since seen each other