Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Vpq]

Just saw this:

A direct DNA sample could also be entered into statewide and nationwide databases. Mitochondrial DNA is ineligible.

Gilgo Beach: Suffolk County Supreme Court judge rules 'probable cause' in Heuermann DNA swab request

Suffolk County Supreme Court Judge Timothy Mazzei ruled "There is probable cause" to believe Rex Heuermann committed at least some of the Gilgo Beach murders "and, therefore, a basis to compel the buccal swab."

abc7ny.com

And that is why he fought doing it

 

[kittythehare]

How typical of The Sun to start preparing his defence for him..

Their timing is, as usual, quite ridiculous. I refuse.
I don't care what happened to him.

There are dead girls.

 

[Pinkizzy]

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Anyone know the address of the property he owned in South Carolina... <modsnip - encouraging the sleuthing of a non-POI>

Nope

 

[Barbie619]

I pray we have DNA from the Atlantic City murders. I would bet my farm that was Heuermann.

Until RH's arrest I believed the two cases were related. I even suspected one of my own friends. He was working in LI and AC area when the murders were committed. I'm starting to now think they aren't related at all.

RH probably enjoyed his view across the bay and being able to visit his victims, not Ted Bundy visit or Gary Ridgeway visits, but sitting on a bench at a safe distance or even the occasional drive-by. He seems to have been meticulous about how he left them, how he bound them up, and how he was able to conceal them not wanting any attention in finding them.

The AC killer left his victim's out in the open, although in a less traveled location. It seemed a bit odd to me that those women who discovered the bodies would be taking a walk back behind those dumpy motels. That seems like a fluke IMO.

I remember passing that strip of motels growing up (pre-casino's) as my grandmother spent her childhood living there. It was a place she and I visited often, but we stayed in AC, those were always cheaper over flow motels because there was limited hotel/motel space in the area of the boardwalk back then.

Even though there were plenty of SW's in AC while I was young, they were pre casino AC and weren't as noticeable to me personally as a child.

But also as a child I became very familiar with Times Square on a Saturday night in the 60's and 70's, it was a degenerate location filled with people of all kinds, with different needs and reason's for hanging out there. Of course this was long before the TS clean-up and online work for SW's. It seemed like a more dangerous time to be a SW than now, except when SK's starting sneaking around online for easy picken's while in the comfort of their own homes.

 

[x_files]

Until RH's arrest I believed the two cases were related. I even suspected one of my own friends. He was working in LI and AC area when the murders were committed. I'm starting to now think they aren't related at all.

RH probably enjoyed his view across the bay and being able to visit his victims, not Ted Bundy visit or Gary Ridgeway visits, but sitting on a bench at a safe distance or even the occasional drive-by. He seems to have been meticulous about how he left them, how he bound them up, and how he was able to conceal them not wanting any attention in finding them.

The AC killer left his victim's out in the open, although in a less traveled location. It seemed a bit odd to me that those women who discovered the bodies would be taking a walk back behind those dumpy motels. That seems like a fluke IMO.

I remember passing that strip of motels growing up (pre-casino's) as my grandmother spent her childhood living there. It was a place she and I visited often, but we stayed in AC, those were always cheaper over flow motels because there was limited hotel/motel space in the area of the boardwalk back then.

Even though there were plenty of SW's in AC while I was young, they were pre casino AC and weren't as noticeable to me personally as a child.

But also as a child I became very familiar with Times Square on a Saturday night in the 60's and 70's, it was a degenerate location filled with people of all kinds, with different needs and reason's for hanging out there. Of course this was long before the TS clean-up and online work for SW's. It seemed like a more dangerous time to be a SW than now, except when SK's starting sneaking around online for easy picken's while in the comfort of their own homes.

The concealed vs left out in the open do make me think it's different SKs unless he changed his way of burying vs open because he hide them because he lived closer. Subconsciously trying to hide? IMHO it's just a thought, just thinking out loud here.

 

[Barbie619]

Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

What really strikes me is Pak’s apparent lack of concern for the fact that Shannan is obviously terrified. He doesn’t make any attempt to actually ask her why she’s scared and he’s laughing at her while she’s calling 911. At best, he is a huge jerk. MOO At worst, he doesn't need to ask because...

www.websleuths.com

''Aug 10 2023 rbbm

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s ‘disturbing’ behavior before arrest – and why cops can’t rule out another killer

Heuermann still engaged in “disturbing” behavior while police tailed him in the months before his arrest.

nypost.com

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''Suspected Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann was still engaged in “disturbing” behavior while being tailed right up until his arrest, the top cop in the case revealed — while refusing to rule out the possibility that another Long Island serial killer could still be on the loose.

“I can’t talk about if he was preparing to kill again,” Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison told Newsday Wednesday of married father of two Heuermann.

But “he’s somebody that was still engaging in activity that was disturbing, be it his internet searches, be it engaging in other activities that he shouldn’t be engaging in.

“That’s something I was very, very passionate about, regarding ‘we need to see what his lifestyle is,'” he said of the intense surveillance leading up to his arrest.

Harrison defended calling 59-year-old architect Heuermann “a demon that walks among us” and a “predator” at a press conference the day after the bombshell arrest.''

I’m very confident that Mr. Heuermann’s our subject,” he told the outlet in a video interview.

“Because of my confidence, I’m gonna call him what I wanna call him — somebody that ruined families, somebody who’s a predator, somebody who shattered lives.

“And not just one, several, and there may be more. I didn’t say that there is, but there may be more. If the family members have a problem with me calling him a demon, then I’ll apologize.”

Chilling, absolutely chilling....

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Anyone know the address of the property he owned in South Carolina... <modsnip - encouraging the sleuthing of a non-POI>

He owns lots 61, 66, 67, & 85 in the Mirror Lakes II subdivision according to the Chester County Assessor records.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Until RH's arrest I believed the two cases were related. I even suspected one of my own friends. He was working in LI and AC area when the murders were committed. I'm starting to now think they aren't related at all.

RH probably enjoyed his view across the bay and being able to visit his victims, not Ted Bundy visit or Gary Ridgeway visits, but sitting on a bench at a safe distance or even the occasional drive-by. He seems to have been meticulous about how he left them, how he bound them up, and how he was able to conceal them not wanting any attention in finding them.

The AC killer left his victim's out in the open, although in a less traveled location. It seemed a bit odd to me that those women who discovered the bodies would be taking a walk back behind those dumpy motels. That seems like a fluke IMO.

I remember passing that strip of motels growing up (pre-casino's) as my grandmother spent her childhood living there. It was a place she and I visited often, but we stayed in AC, those were always cheaper over flow motels because there was limited hotel/motel space in the area of the boardwalk back then.

Even though there were plenty of SW's in AC while I was young, they were pre casino AC and weren't as noticeable to me personally as a child.

But also as a child I became very familiar with Times Square on a Saturday night in the 60's and 70's, it was a degenerate location filled with people of all kinds, with different needs and reason's for hanging out there. Of course this was long before the TS clean-up and online work for SW's. It seemed like a more dangerous time to be a SW than now, except when SK's starting sneaking around online for easy picken's while in the comfort of their own homes.

Agreed. He’s lived in the same home he’s had since childhood, been working in the same position for almost 30 years, and clearly has a routine in his normal life too. I think he likes to stick with what he knows. What he is familiar with. And just like you, I also believe that he would stay within areas where he can be within viewing distance from them. It makes guys like him feel very powerful.

 

[SonsOfCain]

He owns lots 61, 66, 67, & 85 in the Mirror Lakes II subdivision according to the Chester County Assessor records.
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This is probably a dumb question and I apologize if it has already been answered, but why does he have two different addressess? Ones at 105 and the other is 107. Did he own two houses on the same street?

 

[Barbie619]

Same. I remember getting bullied and beaten up throughout my early years, but I would never put someone else through that because I remember how it made me feel and how much it sucked.

As for why some people grow up to punish the underdogs as you put it? I’ve always wondered that myself. That’s the biggest reason why I think I am so interested in serial killers-that psychological aspect. As you said, there are SO many people who were abused or tortured or neglected or went through horrific things themselves as kids, but they don’t grow up to be killers. But some do. And I think there are a number of factors that contribute to it: neglect, parental/family involvement in their children’s lives, trauma, sometimes brain damage could be a factor, etc.

Sometimes I also think there are a few rare cases where someone was just born evil (I know this is probably a controversial statement) and the darkness that lives inside them just lays dormant until their later years, when certain factors or events come together and create a perfect storm. They could have a perfectly happy and “normal” childhood, with loving parental figures, but still grow up to be killers.

There is a 6 year boy in the news right now who shot his 1st grade teacher and also made the comment about trying to kill his kindergarten teacher. I believe he is a combination of nature/nurture. IMHO he should always be kept out of society because I don't believe he will outgrow his impulses, he will only escalate. I can only imagine in his short 6 years what kind of home life he had.

 

[Ursamajr]

A full investigation will necessarily uncover formerly suppressed information, I think.
As this will have to involve Suffolk county players are they prepared to do further naming and shaming or allow sleeping dogs to lay?

I'm not sure how committed they are.

I have some issues with this as well. We have Hawkshaw's thread for this so I'll just say... It's going to require a lot of faith to think Law Enforcement will audit themselves regarding this case... and I don't have much faith in SCPD.

My own suspicions are that rH had access to a building where he brought his victims, a room, a basement, a warehouse, a shed.. i think , speculatively that there is where the information will be.

As nothing particularly relevant appears to have been discovered at his residence there simply must be another location somewhere.

YES - I also believe there has to be another location. He's had access to a rough estimate of *thousands* of job sites since he went into architecture in the 80s. Easily thousands. Source for that number: My husband is an engineer in NYC/Long Island and works alongside architects. Heuermann called himself an "architectural consultant". My guy says he could have had *unfettered access* to entire buildings while under construction and most likely did if he was lead on the project. He could have had someone meet him at a property, did whatever he did, then have a crew (none the wiser) cover or obliterate evidence the next day. If he was doing this is buildings he was doing renovations on - who knows if any evidence exists. Who would even know where to start.

As these murders occurred while his wife was away it suggests he required a few overnight or longer stays away from his home, suggesting he possibly held them for a time before killing and disposing of them- his own personal torture chamber.

we know the dates they went missing but not the dates they died or were disposed.

Yup. I hate this thought most of all.

 

[hazel324]

''Aug 9, 2023 #newyork #police #investigation
Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison came to the NewsdayTV studios for a one-on-one interview on the state of the investigation with Newsday's Joye Brown.''

'Rex Heuermann's defense attorney opposes DNA swab request from prosecutors in Gilgo Beach serial killer trial.'

"Time will tell"

 

[Trinitee]

I really like that man. He has the kind of strength and personal character society needs to see more often than it does. Thank you Commissioner Harrison.

 

[Ruminations]

I really like that man. He has the kind of strength and personal character society needs to see more often than it does. Thank you Commissioner Harrison.

I think he his latest interview had a chilling effect on this thread and caused a backslide in the progress SCPD had made in regaining trust. I hope he is able to turn around and go back to rebuilding trust.

MOO

 

[IDK]

I think he his latest interview had a chilling effect on this thread and caused a backslide in the progress SCPD had made in regaining trust. I hope he is able to turn around and go back to rebuilding trust.

MOO

I haven’t been able to follow the thread as closely as I’d like, and just wanted to clarify which interview you were referring to— the interview above in the studio? If so, I honestly don’t understand what he said that would cause people to lose trust?

I’m not familiar with all of the backstory though, so I’m possibly missing important background information.

Editing to add— is it because he made the statement about Shannan Gilbert’s death most likely being an accident ( I believe that’s the word he used) ?

 

[CuriousCricket]

I have some issues with this as well. We have Hawkshaw's thread for this so I'll just say... It's going to require a lot of faith to think Law Enforcement will audit themselves regarding this case... and I don't have much faith in SCPD.

If Commissioner Harrison is invited to remain on the job, I have hope for clean up in Suffolk County. His interview was very impressive with his can-do attitude "I believe every case is solvable", his respect for his team and ability to give credit where due without fearing that somehow anyone else in the limelight might rob him. He struck me as a self-assured man confident in his own abilities. So rare the appearance of great integrity and lack of ego. Very impressive. I hope he is allowed to remain on the job to see this through.

 

[Just K]

I haven’t been able to follow the thread as closely as I’d like, and just wanted to clarify which interview you were referring to— the interview above in the studio? If so, I honestly don’t understand what he said that would cause people to lose trust?

I’m not familiar with all of the backstory though, so I’m possibly missing important background information.

Editing to add— is it because he made the statement about Shannan Gilbert’s death most likely being an accident ( I believe that’s the word he used) ?

Harrison seemed to gloss over any of the prior corruption within the SCPD and DA’s office. He completely dismissed any possibility that SG was murdered. These are likely the reasons why many members here were disenchanted by this interview.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Disclaimer: I already feel that Shannan died due to misadventure/tragic circumstances. (And yes I have listened to all the 911 audio, multiple times.)

However, after listening to this week’s LISK podcasts, a set of two interviews which go over the fundamental leadership, crap attitude, incompetence, and corruption in the SCPD, including in the rein of Sini (not just Burke), it seems clear to me that the new regime has turned a corner … and as a result things are getting done. An arrest that should have happened a decade ago has actually happened. The unidentified are getting their names back.

 

[FromGermany1]

My guy says he could have had *unfettered access* to entire buildings while under construction and most likely did if he was lead on the project. He could have had someone meet him at a property, did whatever he did, then have a crew (none the wiser) cover or obliterate evidence the next day. If he was doing this is buildings he was doing renovations on - who knows if any evidence exists. Who would even know where to start.

Imagine!

 

[FromGermany1]

Did the daughter have her own apartment? If so, I would hope the family you stay there as opposed to the family home.

Neighbour Etienne de Villiers, 68, added that when his daughter Victoria, 26, got her driver's license she wanted to tell her: 'Just get in your car and drive and never come back.'

Rex Heuermann's high school reunion classmates say he was a loner

Former classmates of the architect, 59, described him as a 'victim' who had a difficult home life and an even harder school one.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That did touch me the most. Poor children of RH, by neighbors as really pitiable creatures recognized.

Maybe, 40 years back some neighbors already recognized RH (and/or siblings) as endangered within the family environment and would have wished him to escape in time. It seems, he did not. (Did he continue to live at home during his studies?)